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DaneMcCloud 12-04-2012 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WV (Post 9179123)
If you had some inside knowledge or even firsthand knowledge of this situation I may take your opinion for something. But the bottom line is that you're just some dude interpreting a situation on an internet message board like the rest of us.

Deductive reasoning would perhaps be valid if you were an investigator working the case and had all the facts, but you are not and don't.

LMAO

Yet, you're cool with calling me out.

That's just great.

WV 12-04-2012 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9179115)
The Star got their info from multiple police sources doesn't get more clearer than that.

What they are providing is hardly enough to support the case that the organization had knowledge that Belcher was capable of something like this and that has been my only point.

Hammock Parties 12-04-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman (Post 9179127)
Larry Johnson was charged PUBLICALLY in 2003 for domestic violence and holding a gun to a woman's face - FELONY aggravated assault. He pleaded down and agreed to a domestic violence program. He was charged again in 2005 and again in 2008. He played here until 2009.

Do you truly believe the Hunt's had no access to the national news regarding their own players for 6 years? Or do you expect others to believe it?

Again: the Hunts tolerated LJ because he was talented. It's a business. LJ was a valuable asset.

When he no longer became valuable, adios.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9179120)
So, newspapers lie and fabricate stories?

In what country do you reside?

Wait a second. On one argument, you believe the newspapers report accurately and substantiate your position, yet you also have the nerve to say that the Hunt's never saw any news article regarding LarryJohnson and a felonious assault against a woman with a gun over the course of 6 years while he played here?

This is just getting silly.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9179130)
Again: the Hunts tolerated LJ because he was talented. It's a business. LJ was a valuable asset.

When he no longer became valuable, adios.

So your original statement is obviously false. The Hunt's obviously DO tolerate players like Javon Belcher.

ShowtimeSBMVP 12-04-2012 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WV (Post 9179129)
What they are providing is hardly enough to support the case that the organization had knowledge that Belcher was capable of something like this and that has been my only point.

I Don't think we will ever find this out.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9179122)
Prove otherwise.

What have I "made up" in this thread, Russ?

Prove that Scott Pioli doesn't hide information from the Hunt's? As I said, just silly.

Prove he does and then you have a viable argument. Until then, it is no more than girl gossip around a cup of tea while watching General Hospital.

WV 12-04-2012 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9179128)
LMAO

Yet, you're cool with calling me out.

That's just great.

Look I know it's all about you being right and all, but the only thing I'm calling you out on is that there is no way any of us have enough knowledge of the situation to extrapolate that anyone there knew Belcher was capable of his actions.

You're the one claiming to know what was going on inside Belcher's head.

WV 12-04-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9179135)
I Don't think we will ever find this out.

Exactly my point.

DaneMcCloud 12-04-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman (Post 9179127)
Larry Johnson was charged PUBLICALLY in 2003 for domestic violence and holding a gun to a woman's face - FELONY aggravated assault. He pleaded down and agreed to a domestic violence program. He was charged again in 2005 and again in 2008. He played here until 2009.

Do you truly believe the Hunt's had no access to the national news regarding their own players for 6 years? Or do you expect others to believe it?

Lamar Hunt had been suffering from cancer for almost a decade before he passed away. Carl Peterson was in charge of the Chiefs at that time and made an executive decision to draft LJ. Vermeil wanted Tyler Brayton and expressed that publicly.

I honestly believe that if Lamar Hunt was aware of Johnson's transgressions, he would not have been drafted. I also believe that if Clark Hunt, who at the time had little to noting to do with the Chiefs had known, Johnson wouldn't have been selected.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WV (Post 9179129)
What they are providing is hardly enough to support the case that the organization had knowledge that Belcher was capable of something like this and that has been my only point.

Amen.

DaneMcCloud 12-04-2012 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman (Post 9179132)
Wait a second. On one argument, you believe the newspapers report accurately and substantiate your position, yet you also have the nerve to say that the Hunt's never saw any news article regarding LarryJohnson and a felonious assault against a woman with a gun over the course of 6 years while he played here?

This is just getting silly.

Go ahead and link that quote.

You'll quickly find I never said any such thing.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9179139)
Lamar Hunt had been suffering from cancer for almost a decade before he passed away. Carl Peterson was in charge of the Chiefs at that time and made an executive decision to draft LJ. Vermeil wanted Tyler Brayton and expressed that publicly.

I honestly believe that if Lamar Hunt was aware of Johnson's transgressions, he would not have been drafted. I also believe that if Clark Hunt, who at the time had little to noting to do with the Chiefs had known, Johnson wouldn't have been selected.

So, Larry's second contract was signed without the Hunt's knowledge as well?

That crafty bastard.

KCWolfman 12-04-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9179142)
Go ahead and link that quote.

You'll quickly find I never said any such thing.

Dane, you obviously are making a straw argument based upon supposition and not in reality regarding anything with the Belcher case - and in the Johnson case as well.

Forgive me if I don't take your claims as expert knowledge, regardless of who you dated.

DaneMcCloud 12-04-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WV (Post 9179137)
Look I know it's all about you being right and all, but the only thing I'm calling you out on is that there is no way any of us have enough knowledge of the situation to extrapolate that anyone there knew Belcher was capable of his actions.

You're the one claiming to know what was going on inside Belcher's head.

What the **** is wrong with you?

Please link us to a quote in which I stated that anyone knew Belcher would snap.

It's like the reerun patrol in here tonight.


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