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ptlyon 12-14-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207636)
So should we just throw up our hands then?

I mean, that's where we've arrived at isn't it?

See my post below

Nightfyre 12-14-2012 12:29 PM

Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers

htismaqe 12-14-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207644)
:facepalm: I love how it's either one extreme or the other around here constantly.

We're likely to have the #1 overall pick for the first and only time in franchise history.

That is the DEFINITION of "extreme".

htismaqe 12-14-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9207666)
Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers

Amongst many of the scouting services, Ryan and Rivers were absolutely considered elite prospects. They weren't consensus like Eli Manning but they were considered elite prospects. Freeman and Roethlisberger were in that "next" group ala Ryan Tannehill last year.

Brock 12-14-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207699)
We're likely to have the #1 overall pick for the first and only time in franchise history.

That is the DEFINITION of "extreme".

That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.

htismaqe 12-14-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207711)
That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.

Would we be better off now with Jimmy Clausen? Maybe.

Would we be worse off now with Jimmy Clausen? No.

Pretty cut and dried to me.

notorious 12-14-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207718)
Would we be better off now with Jimmy Clausen? Maybe.

Would we be worse off now with Jimmy Clausen? No.

Pretty cut and dried to me.

Sums up my take.

Molitoth 12-14-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207711)
That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.

We should be drafting the highest rated qb every year until we find one that works. Then we build the team around him.

BlackHelicopters 12-14-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9207666)
Current franchise QBs who were not considered "elite" at the time they were drafted:
1) Tom Brady
2) Drew Brees
3) Matt Ryan
4) Ben Roethlisberger
5) Matt Schaub
6) Josh Freeman
7) Philip Rivers

Please define"franchise" QB. Thank you.

RealSNR 12-14-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207644)
:facepalm: I love how it's either one extreme or the other around here constantly.

What do we stand to gain from all the draft picks we'll have coming in?

ILBs, DTs, CBs, and WRs. ****ING YIPPEE.

You also have to take into account that probably 75% of those guys won't work out in the pros. If we're lucky ONE of them will be an elite player that we need at those spots.

All while missing out on the best QB in the draft.

There. I've entertained the possibility of a trade down. I gave it serious thought. For another team like the 0-16 Detroit Lions, that may have been the thing to do. For the Kansas City Chiefs, where we already have good players, just a ****ing black hole at QB, that's NOT the right thing to do. At all.

RealSNR 12-14-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9207711)
That doesn't mean everybody has to go full reerun. "We should have drafted Jimmy Clausen" is ****ing reeruned.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.

htismaqe 12-14-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9207764)
I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.

No, he's saying we did the right thing by passing on Clausen because Clausen has ultimately turned out to not be very good.

The problem with that thinking is that EVERY QB coming out is nothing but potential. At the time Clausen was drafted, he had potential. The situation in Carolina didn't turn out.

But that doesn't mean he would have flamed out here. He might have - he also might have flourished under Weis the same way Matt ****ing Cassel did.

Who knows, maybe the disagreement over Cassel never happens, Weis never leaves, and we're headed towards the playoffs right now?

The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because the team is too scared to take a ****ing risk.

Rugby Thompson 12-14-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207798)
No, he's saying we did the right thing by passing on Clausen because Clausen has ultimately turned out to not be very good.

The problem with that thinking is that EVERY QB coming out is nothing but potential. At the time Clausen was drafted, he had potential. The situation in Carolina didn't turn out.

But that doesn't mean he would have flamed out here. He might have - he also might have flourished under Weis the same way Matt ****ing Cassel did.

Who knows, maybe the disagreement over Cassel never happens, Weis never leaves, and we're headed towards the playoffs right now?

The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because the team is too scared to take a ****ing risk.

Exactly, should have kept Weis. Can't be changing OC's every off season and ****ing up the chemistry.

Brock 12-14-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9207764)
I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying the top QBs in this draft are as bad as Jimmy Clausen?

If so, then YOU'RE the one being reeruned.

It never fails. Somebody interjects some reason into an argument involving drafting a QB and it turns into "You're scared to draft a QB". I personally am in favor of staying where they are and drafting a QB. But only an idiot doesn't acknowledge the possibility that none of these QBs are good enough to draft #1 overall, and the possibility that the next GM of this team would rather have a bunch of draft picks and what he thinks is as good a QB later.

Tribal Warfare 12-14-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207798)

The point is that we will NEVER KNOW because Pioli is too scared to take a ****ing risk.

FYP


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