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Geno Smith is not worth the 1st overall pick (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=268320)

Anyone watching the capital one bowl?

Murray is having a pretty good game

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9264745)

WTF is this notion of an 'objective comparison?'

One side is skeptical of how convinced some are that Geno 'absolutely cannot miss, . . . .but if he does no big deal.'

Those convinced rebut with 'yeah, well people weren't sold on RGIII last year.'

'Yeah we were.'

'Well Kiper wasn't, and you don't count because you saw lots and lots of RGIII'

AGAIN, FTR, I'm not anti-Geno. I'm anti-failure to perform due diligence and cruise into the draft with this 'he's gonna be great, everyone else sucks, and it doesn't matter if he's a total bust because it's the gamble we HAVE TO take' attitude. That's just begging for him to be the next Akili Carr-Leaf.

Then you clamor for Wilson, Barkley, or Bray. The QB is the most important position on the field and has to be the pick at no. 1.

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 9264697)

I already told you. I don't like the way he processes information. The gap between what he sees and how he reacts is too long and he's prone to shitting the bed under pressure.

Really?

What is this shitting the bed you speak of? His 71.4% completion percentage this season? The six interceptions against 40 touchdowns?

Because, if you took the time to watch the games from this season alone, you'll see that he goes through his progressions quickly, can look off a safety easily and makes exceptionally good decisions with the ball.

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If someone were to put together a lowlight reel of him you'd clearly see this.

You go right ahead. And, for the record, I'm sure you could do the same and have a lot more opportunities for inclusions in such a video with every single QB that this draft has to offer. In fact, you could do the same with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. You could do that with every player in the draft at their respective positions.

In fact, it's Geno's decision making process that is one of the things I like about him. He makes good decisions with the ball and doesn't put it into the defenses hands.

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I said the same thing about Quinn when he came out of college and everyone had him as a surefire NFL star. The hallmark of a QB isn't their arm, accuracy, leadership, or size. It's how they process and see information under pressure.

It's all a part of the deal. And I think you are absolutely wrong on this about Geno. Try these on for size from this past year, where he's on the road against top 20 teams with very good defenses and tell me if that's a QB shitting down his leg or a QB that is processing information quickly and making good decisions with that information in a very timely maner and making plays with that information:

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There any number of defenders with superior upside.

Who?

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The team does need a QB in the worst way. No argument here, but you have an entire draft to get one and if Andy Reid is head coach he'll definitely find one.

And which QB do you see has that upside once you get out of the first round guys? Seriously.

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC (Post 9264693)

My thought not to draft Geno Smith at number one isn't about Geno, but more about the player that we will bypass to draft him...and I don't want us to let him go. Star Lotulelei is above Geno Smith at his position. He's more of a game changer. I can handle rolling the dice with our high 2nd round pick on a QB, because I, like many, think that's the place in this particular draft to draft a QB. Maybe we can even move up and pick in the middle of the first round and pick Geno there. Can you imagine Star AND Geno? I can.

Another D-Lineman? Geno, Wilson, Bray, and Barkley will be gone by no. 10. You have to pick QB.

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9264745)

That's just begging for him to be the next Akili Carr-Leaf.

None of those three put up the kind of completion percentages that Geno has. Carr came close in his senior year (which he was only able to approach duplicating one year in the pros), but I think the stats show that Smith is better than any of those three.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9264722)

Either way, his accuracy is tremendous. I don't know why people keep comparing him to Luck, or Rodgers, or anyone. He's his own guy. Luck is a robot built to play QB, just flawless, and RGIII's athleticism is about 14 out of 10. But Geno has accuracy. When he's cooking he puts the ball on the money every time. He doesn't have to learn that. He just needs to be put in a position where he can succeed.

Why?

Because that's the #1 argument you hear about him on the radio and elsewhere on the net - "he's no Andrew Luck!"

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9264745)

Again, many HERE were completely sold on RG3 this time last year, even though many of the pundits weren't. Why? Because they had seen him play. A LOT.

Many of those same people are saying "Geno Smith isn't RG3" haven't seen Geno play even HALF the number of times they saw RG3.

Don't want me to call it objective comparison, fine. I'll call it ignorance instead.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9264722)

I don't know, I took on quite a bit of rage a few weeks ago suggesting that. He kind of fell off the Heisman train. Still though, I don't even need to see stats... college stats can be wonky anyway. Geno played this year in a conference that didn't play a lick of D against each other.

Either way, his accuracy is tremendous. I don't know why people keep comparing him to Luck, or Rodgers, or anyone. He's his own guy. Luck is a robot built to play QB, just flawless, and RGIII's athleticism is about 14 out of 10. But Geno has accuracy. When he's cooking he puts the ball on the money every time. He doesn't have to learn that. He just needs to be put in a position where he can succeed.

RG3 played in the same conference last year.

They put up very similar numbers
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Given everyone's near-mythical vision of a #1 overall draft pick player, no one is worth the 1st overall pick.

Since no one is worth the #1 overall pick, and since the good QB prospects will be gone in the 1st round, we should draft Geno.

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9263808)

Yeah, Geno looked like ****ing dogshit on Sat.

But he's probably the best QB in the draft, so you burn a 1st rounder. You HAVE to. This franchise HAS to draft a 1st rd QB. Even if he goes belly-up and busts...

If I were the incoming GM, I'd sign Alex Smith, trade for Matt Flynn, AND draft Geno...and open up an honest QB competition in camp.

And let the actual best person do the job...

Sounds like a lot of wasted cap space...I'd agree with picking up Flynn as a back up plan...who knows, maybe it would push Flynn to play even better then he has...who wants to be shown up twice by a rookie quarterback? It would make for great competition

about Star...from scouts.com

Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and even the top overall pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011 and 2012, Lotulelei has had a strong season this year even if double and triple teams prevents him from putting up eye-popping stats

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9264806)

This

That video against Texas (which was bringing pressure on a lot of the plays) you'll find a handful of bad throws, for sure, but you'll also see a guy sticking the ball where it needs to be in short, medium, and long routes.

People need to stop comparing him to Luck or RG3 and see that he would be an incredible upgrade over what we've had the past four years. With our running attack, I think he'd have a lot of success very early.

natural ability is there .. NFL ability I question .....

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9264828)

This.