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Fat Elvis 02-23-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9428400)
The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.

First downs in 2012:

UVW- 329
FSU- 322

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9428400)
The problem is that he's going on percentages.

Both guys threw beyond 10 yards roughly 25% of the time.

But when you look at their ATTEMPTS, Geno threw it more than 10 yards almost ONE HUNDRED more times in the last 2 years. He had 400 more pass attempts.

That's significant. VERY significant.

EJ Manuel had trouble moving the chains. That's a FACT.

You are comparing apples to oranges. I was talking about over 20 yards only.

Their respective gameplans called for them to throw deep the same relative percentage. Yes, Smith is going to have more overall completions (and incompletions) because he had more attempts.

SAUTO 02-23-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9428414)
Well, here's the thing.

This thread ISN'T ABOUT GENO.

It's about EJ Manuel.

But anytime you say anything critical about one of the QBs in the draft, the auto-answer is "well, Geno didn't..."

**** that. Yeah, I do like Geno. But that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion on EJ ****ing Manuel.

Sorry, I understand now
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B14ckmon 02-23-2013 01:27 PM

And people wonder why I went from a relatively contributing poster to a hater.

It's because I came here to discuss QBs in the draft, and found out it's impossible to talk about anyone but Geno without a bunch of internet gangsters breaking out the lotion.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9428420)
First downs in 2012:

UVW- 329
FSU- 322

Also, according to CFBstats. EJ had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 32 that went 25+. Smith, with nearly 125 MORE attempts, had 80 passes of 15+ yards and 39 that went 25+.

RealSNR 02-23-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428111)
Link??

Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....

suds79 02-23-2013 01:32 PM

I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.

B14ckmon 02-23-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9428440)
Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....

And out of those 99%, I'd say about 98% also say he isn't worth a #1 pick.

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9428442)
I think it's a moot point to compare EJ to Gino. we all know the Chiefs are probably not going to draft Gino with the number 1 pick. that being said, I think EJ should be in the conversation for that second rounder.

it just depends what quarterbacks are left.

*Geno. Come on. He's not a white guy from Jersey dancing to disco in the 70s.

Coogs 02-23-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9428443)
And out of those 99%, I'd say about 98% also say he isn't worth a #1 pick.

He had to move up on Joeckel today.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9428440)
Geno Smith is considered by 99% of people to be a top QB in this class.

All the stats you're posting about EJ Manuel are because you're trying to show how close and successful he is compared to Geno Smith.

Therefore....

You said I argued EJ was one of the top prospects in this draft. Where did I do that?

Cannibal 02-23-2013 01:43 PM

How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

suds79 02-23-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9428471)
How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

Kap seems thinner and overall more athletic. A speed, athletic type of QB.

EJ strikes me as more of a thick built power QB. I can see the Culpepper comparison.

Cannibal 02-23-2013 01:45 PM

OVERVIEW
Kaepernick has enough physical tools to be viewed as a developmental backup quarterback prospect. Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency. Can make a lot of plays with his feet but will be too confident at times and take unnecessary sacks. Kaepernick will likely attract a team with his measurables and outstanding intangibles. His stock has risen considerably with solid workouts, so expect him to be taken some time in the second to third round.

Cannibal 02-23-2013 01:48 PM

Ugh... NFL.com compares Manuel to Blaine Gabbert.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9428471)
How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.


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