No, you lose. I used top 10 picks because any other pick is one that you could get to without being a really horrible team. Go 10-6 with a so-called game manager who can't get you to the Super Bowl and you're still in position where you can trade up to the 11-15 range.

But let's be more generous and expand the category to include all QBs taken in the first half of the 1st round. That adds Ben Roethlisberger. Now it's 9-8 in favor of QBs acquired via free agent or trade. Even if you expand the category to the entire 1st round, it only goes to 9-9 with the addition of Joe Flacco.

The bottom line is that it's a myth that teams have been more successful finding Super Bowl winning QBs by taking one in the first round than by getting them through other means. And it's definitely a myth that you have to have a bad record to be in position to find your QBotF.

The point of my post was that the retread route has succeeded more often than the top 10 route, based on historical results. Choke on it.

Which, as I've pointed out, hasn't prevented teams from finding Super Bowl winning QBs.

And it had nothing to do with the conversation. I still don't know why you posted it
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So? It may make the team quit looking for a qb.

Just like Carl and Scott.

I would have rather signed a guy like hasselback even without drafting someone. He could have won eight games and we wouldn't have to worry about him being here in three years. They would have had to keep looking
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And again none of this has anything to do with the conversation going on. You just came up with it out of no where
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Again find how many qb's with their original teams won a super bowl vs someone that has moved
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Alex Smith>Matt Hasselbeck.

By far

I don't agree with your choose-to-lose philosophy.

I agree. But we could be stuck with a mediocre guy for years with Smith
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Where was I choosing to lose?

8 wins is 8 wins
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You're digging pretty deep when you have to include lucky late rounders to make a (shaky at best) case against so-called retreads.

And with hasselbeck we still would have our two seconds to try get qb's
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no I'm not. I'm actually going by what the conversation was about.
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When you said you'd prefer to take Hasselbeck over Alex Smith even though you admit that Alex Smith is the better QB.