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Marcellus 11-14-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10187100)
So basically the same logic used in the statements that say the chiefs are only a product of who they have played.... bad teams and backup QB's. :)

Yea, they are both true to some extent.

Anyong Bluth 11-14-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10186178)
A pick play is a pick play. So what exactly is a barely legal pick play?

It's just in the execution of the play by simply being good at making the contact appear incidental- often times squared up back to the line of scrimmage, using your hands to signal for the ball, while knowing your going to run into the defender you're targeting to pick or rub on the play. It's posted on here in another thread, but you can clearly see their guys making a straight b-line for the defender, which you obviously don't want if you're truly trying to get open as a receiver.

Refs are obviously not spotting it while trying to survey the field, and depending on when they do see the contact- its actually been more to their benefit this year and they've thrown the flag on the defense for PI or holding a handful of times!

If you had a ref actually responsible for watching each individual receiver instead of assigned portions of the field it'd be way less of an issue. Hell, they have officials upstairs where it's way easier to spot from an overhead full view position- they could easily incorporate their responsibilities up in the box to flag calls and simply buzz the head official during the play when they see a penalty.

Truth be told, the NFL isn't so much instructing them not to call it, but it's definitely not something that is being highlighted for crews to be more attentive to, and they're certainly not going to add further personnel to aid getting more calls correct especially when it would deride their desire for more and more offense and scoring by the entire league.!

htismaqe 11-14-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10187196)
:cuss: WTF?

You have the blueprint... (vader voice) "Nooooooooooooooooooo"

KC's offense is pretty spare to fair on the road this season. Denver's "blueprint" for KC, contain Charles while forcing Smith to be a QB. Then offensively, keep Manning upright.

The problem is that EVERY team has tried that this year. To a certain extent, ANDY REID has tried that (terribly unbalanced run vs. pass).

We're still undefeated.

gblowfish 11-14-2013 03:08 PM

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Pablo 11-14-2013 03:28 PM

If the WR's can work on getting 10-15 yards of separation constantly, I think we'll see Smith open this thing up!

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10187293)
The problem is that EVERY team has tried that this year. To a certain extent, ANDY REID has tried that (terribly unbalanced run vs. pass).

We're still undefeated.

Right and we've covered this... if KC can maintain the pace with the D/ST scoring TDs, then yeah - it will all work out.

KC's offense has been less than impressive in their 4 road games... you call it "a hallmark", I call it something else. But, it is what it is and if it can hold up, well then they'll do great things.

I believe that while KC's defense is salivating at the notion of shutting down the vaunted Manning offense... Denver's defense is relishing in the fact that the Chiefs are coming to town just as much.

htismaqe 11-14-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10187377)
Right and we've covered this... if KC can maintain the pace with the D/ST scoring TDs, then yeah - it will all work out.

I don't see how you could suggest, at this point, that it won't continue. It's happened in basically 9 out of 9 games.

That would be like suggesting that Manning is going to suddenly stop throwing TD passes.

At this point in the season, teams are pretty well cemented in what they are.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10187384)
I don't see how you could suggest, at this point, that it won't continue. It's happened in basically 9 out of 9 games.

That would be like suggesting that Manning is going to suddenly stop throwing TD passes.

At this point in the season, teams are pretty well cemented in what they are.

It was 7 out of 9 games, right? So, the trend of a QB throwing TDs in every game is comparable to a D/ST scoring TDs in nearly every game? Weird.

And, if teams "are what they are" at this point in the season... then looking at the offensive struggles of the Chiefs on the road is a good measure. Yeah?

KC has no hope of winning either game with Denver unless the offense steps it up.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=Mile High Mania;10186849]They'll definitely mix things up with some looks that we haven't seen really since the beginning of the season and some new ones. That's what I like about the play calling. But again, Welker won't have a reduced role.

I think they keep Moreno and someone else back there to pass protect with Thomas, Thomas, Decker and Welker set up to work their magic.

Tough to cover, esp with Moreno dropping down for the quick dump pass in case of emergency. They'll have plenty of variations to work with on Sunday night.

They try to set the tone with the ground game, but their bread is buttered with the options in that passing attack. Not to mention, all the cheating and picking... how can they be stopped?[/QUOTE

Stopped? By putting Manning on his but like Mathis did and jamming the wr's at the line to throw off the timing with tight coverage. They can be stopped.

By planting Manning ass in the ground. Jamming the wr's at the line throwing off the timing. Denver fans act like Manning has never lost a game. Indy did beat you. What was the reason? Just a fluke? Or did they just man up a beat you?

htismaqe 11-14-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10187394)
It was 7 out of 9 games, right? So, the trend of a QB throwing TDs in every game is comparable to a D/ST scoring TDs in nearly every game? Weird.

The defense hasn't scored TDs in every game. But they've kept the other team from scoring them at a fairly historic clip.

Everything they do is timely, whether it's a score or just a regular turnover. It all contributes.

I wonder if people were still calling the 2000 Ravens a fluke in Week 9? Because this defense is in that same historical category...

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=Tuckdaddy;10187396]
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10186849)
They'll definitely mix things up with some looks that we haven't seen really since the beginning of the season and some new ones. That's what I like about the play calling. But again, Welker won't have a reduced role.

I think they keep Moreno and someone else back there to pass protect with Thomas, Thomas, Decker and Welker set up to work their magic.

Tough to cover, esp with Moreno dropping down for the quick dump pass in case of emergency. They'll have plenty of variations to work with on Sunday night.

They try to set the tone with the ground game, but their bread is buttered with the options in that passing attack. Not to mention, all the cheating and picking... how can they be stopped?[/QUOTE

Stopped? By putting Manning on his but like Mathis did and jamming the wr's at the line to throw off the timing with tight coverage. They can be stopped.

By planting Manning ass in the ground. Jamming the wr's at the line throwing off the timing. Denver fans act like Manning has never lost a game. Indy did beat you. What was the reason? Just a fluke? Or did they just man up a beat you?

Sure, run with the tongue in cheek comment as if I believe they will never be stopped.

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10187394)
KC has no hope of winning either game with Denver unless the offense steps it up.

:facepalm:

Now I understand why I've never paid attention to your posts: You're Knowmo's Dad.

Mile High Mania 11-14-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10187401)
:facepalm:

Now I understand why I've never paid attention to your posts: You're Knowmo's Dad.

:D It's all good... and I'm nowhere near that level of crazy.

vailpass 11-14-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10187397)
The defense hasn't scored TDs in every game. But they've kept the other team from scoring them at a fairly historic clip.

Everything they do is timely, whether it's a score or just a regular turnover. It all contributes.

I wonder if people were still calling the 2000 Ravens a fluke in Week 9? Because this defense is in that same historical category...

And damn near as hard to watch:Poke:

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 10187581)
And damn near as hard to watch:Poke:

There is no doubt that watching Chiefs games this year can be brutal at times.

But that said, watching other games around the NFL this past weekend proved that watching nearly every team is brutal these days.

It's the new CBA: Limited offseason practices, no more Two-A-Days, limited contact during the season.

It's made for some bad football.


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