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Rain Man 01-20-2014 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10383328)
You could do that, but I still hate the idea on principal. You're essentially saying that if you go for 2... you gain a point if you convert and lose a point if you don't. I don't like freebies. If you're going to go for 1, then earn it. You shouldn't take that away just because it saves you a few minutes of your day.
I would argue to take it away if it's a boring routine that takes a few minutes of your day and makes no difference at all 99.7% of the time.

Rausch 01-20-2014 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414 (Post 10383357)
That kind of thing should be one of the top priorities. The replay system has been around since 1999, and it's still too broken. Shouldn't take that long to set up an almost foolproof system.

Other than challenging penalties, the replay system should be simple. Unfortunately, it isn't.
There we go: quit worrying about a given play and start worrying about the big plays this league consistently ****s up...

KChiefer 01-20-2014 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10383339)
There is a logic problem. It's there. your numbers don't eliminate it.
.4%

That's what you're trying to protect.

Sannyasi 01-20-2014 05:59 PM
I think the only argument in favor of the extra point is "Well, this is how we've always done it."

Chaunceythe3rd 01-20-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10383110)
Make it a 35 yard attempt.
This. Would be incentive for teams go for the 2-point conversion.

Rain Man 01-20-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefer (Post 10383374)
.4%

That's what you're trying to protect.
It's also a 0.4% that really angers and frustrates a fan base. There's a marketing value in eliminating that 0.4%.

Rain Man 01-20-2014 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaunceythe3rd (Post 10383381)
This. Would be incentive for teams go for the 2-point conversion.
It would be very hard to convert a two-point play from 35 yards out.


(I know. I just couldn't resist.)

Rausch 01-20-2014 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 10383380)
I think the only argument in favor of the extra point is "Well, this is how we've always done it."
I think the only argument for abolishing it is that it isn't exciting enough...

Tombstone RJ 01-20-2014 06:09 PM
Fact is, kickers are the highest scoring players in the overall history of the NFL and most of it is because of the extra points...

Tombstone RJ 01-20-2014 06:11 PM
for me, the extra point is like the cherry on top of the TD, it's kindof like, "it's a TD and here's the icing on the cake"

ChiefRocka 01-20-2014 06:12 PM
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Rain Man 01-20-2014 06:13 PM
Maybe they should follow the lead of cricket and a team can keep taking extra points as long as they make it. If people like the extra point play, this would give us about 500 of them per game.

Tombstone RJ 01-20-2014 06:15 PM
I do like the idea of making the extra point mean something by pushing it out to the 35 yard line or so. If you combine that with having a 3 point conversion instead of a 2 point conversion (when teams want to "go for it") then maybe that would "make it more exciting"?

Simplicity 01-20-2014 06:15 PM
I'm in... Move it back to a challenging spot or just take it away... It's literally a waste of time in the NFL...

Rain Man 01-20-2014 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10383419)
I do like the idea of making the extra point mean something by pushing it out to the 35 yard line or so. If you combine that with having a 3 point conversion instead of a 2 point conversion (when teams want to "go for it") then maybe that would "make it more exciting"?
Right now I think the expected value of an extra point versus a two-point play is about the same. It's about .997 points per attempt and 33 of 69 for two point plays, or .956 points per attempt.

If you make a two-point play suddenly worth three points, and you move the 1-point play out, the expected values will end up something like .96 points for the 1-point play and 1.5 points for the 3-point play. Teams would never go for the 1-point play other than rare situations.


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