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Chiefnj2 12-15-2015 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11953376)
We saw full well how paying to keep a top 3 tight end around worked out the last time.
And Calvin Johnson hasn't worked out too well for the Lions.

Have the last Super Bowl winners had an elite WR? Pats, Seahawks, Ravens, Giants ?

Kman34 12-15-2015 11:23 AM
Keith Cash says hi to this thread..

Amnorix 12-15-2015 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11955300)
Contracts tell you everything you need to know about the value of certain positions. WR>TE.

Of course a New England fan would argue for the merits of having a TE over a WR..

Good question for Asterix: would you take 2015 Gronk or 2005 Randy Moss?

So let's start with this -- assuming he is healthy (which isn't always the case of course), there is NO WR in the NFL I would take right now over Gronk for a single "must have it" game. Not Antonio Brown, or Megatron, or LBJ, or anyone else.

The reason is simple -- Gronk is not only a dominant receiver, he is also a dominant blocker when at his best. He's also the greatest receiving red zone threat in NFL history.

And i have simple proof for that one -- he has the highest TDs per games played of any receiver since WWII.

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1. Gronkowski’s average of 0.83 touchdown catches per game is the best by any player since Packers Hall of Fame receiver Don Hutson tore up under-manned NFL defenses during World War II (0.85 TDs per game).

Athletic phenom wide receiver Randy Moss is a distant No. 3 on the list. He averaged 0.72 TDs per game.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/p...off_the_charts



2005 Moss versus 2015 Gronk? Perhaps the most dominant WR ever versus the most dominant TE ever? Hell, give me either one, I'll be happy.

ThaVirus 12-15-2015 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11955424)
So let's start with this -- assuming he is healthy (which isn't always the case of course), there is NO WR in the NFL I would take right now over Gronk for a single "must have it" game. Not Antonio Brown, or Megatron, or LBJ, or anyone else.



The reason is simple -- Gronk is not only a dominant receiver, he is also a dominant blocker when at his best. He's also the greatest receiving red zone threat in NFL history.



And i have simple proof for that one -- he has the highest TDs per games played of any receiver since WWII.







http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/p...off_the_charts







2005 Moss versus 2015 Gronk? Perhaps the most dominant WR ever versus the most dominant TE ever? Hell, give me either one, I'll be happy.

Gronk has played his entire career with a HOF QB. That's not exactly a fair comparison..

What kind of numbers would Moss have put up had he not wasted so much of his prime years in Oakland?

ThaVirus 12-15-2015 11:57 AM
It's extremely hard to judge a WR/TEs true ability when he's playing with a HOF QB.

ThaVirus 12-15-2015 11:59 AM
Antonio Brown put up average numbers when Roethlisberger was out for a few games.

Look at Demaryius now without Peyton.

Amnorix 12-15-2015 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11955488)
Gronk has played his entire career with a HOF QB. That's not exactly a fair comparison..

What kind of numbers would Moss have put up had he not wasted so much of his prime years in Oakland?

:shrug: Jerry Rice had HOF QBs. Moss had excellent QBs by and large, including the exact same QB GRonk has, for a portion of his career. He only had two years in Oakland, but yes, obviously, take those away and his TD ratio is likely higher.

I'll say it again, give me either one and I'm happy.

Amnorix 12-15-2015 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11955493)
It's extremely hard to judge a WR/TEs true ability when he's playing with a HOF QB.

:shrug: That goes both ways. Brady without any WR threats wasn't that nifty in 2005, or after Gronk was hurt all the times he ended the season hurt.

Man I'd love to have that 2011 Giants SB game to try with Gronk healthy. Argh. Oh well.

ThaVirus 12-15-2015 12:34 PM
Moss had two full seasons with Brady at QB and scored 36 TDs. That's averaging more than a TD per game.

Imagine a rookie Randy Moss with prime Tom Brady.. He certainly would have put up better numbers than Gronk and never dealt with injury issues like he does.

I'll take Moss over Gronk all day everyday.

I recognize the fact that Gronk can block well but I'd rather have the defense focus attention away from the center of the field. I think it'd open up a lot more opportunities for my offense.

Prime Moss/Rice/Calvin Johnson > prime Gronk/Gonzalez/Gates IMO.

TLO 12-15-2015 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11955413)
Keith Cash says hi to this thread..
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Mother****erJones 12-15-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 11954982)
He catches 3/4 of his targets and has amazing YAC. Blocking effort is awesome. He either cleans up his mistakes or he moves his contract down to lower end tier 1 level. It's that simple.
It's not that simple. He's gona get paid and paid a lot his second contract.

beach tribe 12-15-2015 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vietnam58 (Post 11954893)
you sure about that. . did you watch the Giants game tonight?. .

People been Chiefs fans so long they think wide receiver is an obsolete position. . haha
He's a Pats fan..

And seriously though these aren't you fathers TEs. They put up WR #s now and should be valued close to the same.

Vietnam58 12-15-2015 07:19 PM
So do you take Gronk or Beckham if you're a GM?

Vietnam58 12-15-2015 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11955838)
He's a Pats fan..

And seriously though these aren't you fathers TEs. They put up WR #s now and should be valued close to the same.
I agree but hes stating it like WR is a useless position. . Im a huge fan of the TE position. . but i still see the value in having a top WR. .

and as a pats fan he should realize how important someone like eldeman is or maybe a better example would be David Tyree ;)

Sandy Vagina 12-15-2015 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Vietnam58 (Post 11956347)
So do you take Gronk or Beckham if you're a GM?
GM of which team?


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