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Do you Hope Foles Takes over the QB position ? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=303417)

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530889)

I didn't see much of him in St. Louis, but I don't think he was at a place that was by any means, right for him....a lot of "good" QB's would struggle there.

Foles had no weapons there.

One can only wonder if this thread would have been more appropriate after the game.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12530893)

The crux of my point is this. IMO Smith will need to step up and make some big plays he typically doesn't if they are going to win in NE, or an AFCG, or a SB. Whether it is fair or not really isn't the question. I think he is going to have to. So the question is, can he?

With 4 years of tape to study everyone knows Alex will play safe and throw short until he's forced to go deep.

It's not hard to figure out when he'd be forced to throw deep and when you don't go deep that often you aren't as good at it...

Nick Foles is a turnover machine if the line stars breaking down on him. I'd feel safer with Alex at the helm towards the end of season and playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 12530898)

One can only wonder if this thread would have been more appropriate after the game.

I'd prefer a sample size greater than 30 passes to judge if a b/u is better than a 4 year starter.

Just me...

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530801)

Dude, I seriously was going to post something about this very thing when I got home from work (I just got off 15 minutes ago). I have little notes jotted down on a "HOLD" card.

When it comes to their first 4 seasons that they played in (Alex was injured all year his 3rd or 4th season), Foles has Smith beaten by a landslide...and some of the Alex-lovers give him absolutely no credit for that. And the common Alexcuse for his terrible start is the large amount of Offensive Coordinators he had in those years...well, Foles in his 5th season and has already had 5 Offensive Coordinators. Foles's infamous season where he went off (2013, 27 TD's, 2 INT's in like, 12 games) wasn't just a good season...it was historically good...with a historical game where he threw 7 TD's in one game. I watched that game...I watched a lot of his rookie and 2013 seasons and he looked really good in those seasons. I don't know what happened at St. Louis, but I do know when he played for the Eagles, he had moments where he absolutely looked the part of a potentially elite QB. Hell, he looked great when he played in college. I watched the Iowa vs. Arizona game in 2010 and he out-dueled the shit out of Ricky Stanzi...that's why I watched what he did in the NFL. And year, Alex had the injury early in his career where he was on injured reserve...Well, Foles has been on injured reserve as well...broke his hand as a rookie.

Foles's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2012: 6 TD's, 5 INT's
2013: 27 TD's, 2 INT's
2014: 13 TD', 10 INT's
2015: 7 TD's, 10 INT's

Total: 53 TD's, 27 INT's.

* Plus 5 rushing TD's.

Alex's first 4 seasons in the NFL:

2005: 1 TD, 11 INT's
2006: 16 TD's, 16 INT's
2007: 2 TD's, 4 INT's
2008: Did not play...
2009: 18 TD's, 12 INT's

Total: 37 TD's, 43 INT's

* Plus 2 rushing TD's.

The potential for Foles to do well is freaking there...and Alexuals need to keep Alex's first 4 seasons in mind when they are critiquing Foles so harshly. He could very well pick up steam and start rolling again.

I would rather us draft a QB, but I will say this.... I have a better feeling about our past experiences with Ramtread QB's than I do 49er retread QB's.

Good post. I'm not sold on Nick foles. Too slow to make reads, has kind of that sidearm sling that isn't always the most accurate. But you're right, he has potential. I just hope the Chiefs view it as potential and not the answer. We've been through that before, settling for middling retreads.

But I hope your detailed post exposes the hypocrisy of many Alex lovers to criticize Foles' early struggles while ignoring or making excuses for Alex's struggles.

Sacks and turnovers. More so, if he is sitting in the pocket taking sacks looking for the big play, will it cancel out or net a positive outcome. Smith isn't running this year which is hurting the offense. But he still moves around, which both helps extend some plays and also causes him to leave perfectly good pockets. I think this is as interesting a difference to watch as is the deep ball difference today.

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530889)

What in the world is Reid supposed to say??? Would you ever, regardless of circumstances, expect him to say anything different????

I've watched a lot of Foles with the Eagles. Nothing can convince me that his good stretch was flukey.

I didn't see much of him in St. Louis, but I don't think he was at a place that was by any means, right for him....a lot of "good" QB's would struggle there.

I agree with you. He isn't as bad as he showed with the Rams but he still isn't as good as people here are making him out to be.

To be fair to the Rams great QBs make the players around them better. I think we can all agree on that. I don't think Foles did much of that when he was there.

Foles is a great backup. But IMO he is decent starter at best, at worst probably a pretty bad starting QB.

It almost depends on who we play. Foles seems to have the bigger potential to put up larger numbers, but his play may make him prone to more turnovers. I tend to think that having a guy like Alex that doesn't turn the ball over much is better against a team like Denver that seems to get a defensive score in every game they win.

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12530801)

Remove Foles' 27 TD season because that was all a gimmick that Chip Kelly had going on with no defense having figured out until the next season. Just like the year Roman and Harbaugh unleashed Kaepernick, nobody had film to breakdown.

Foles is a flash in the pan. Smith actually has the second half of his career of proven, stable, quarterback play. He's a winner, don't fix what isn't broken.

Since we dumped Dwayne Bowe's ass...

Smith is 30 TD's to 1 INT inside the red zone.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12530908)

But I hope your detailed post exposes the hypocrisy of many Alex lovers to criticize Foles' early struggles while ignoring or making excuses for Alex's struggles.

.. and just to be clear, let it be noted that I have not dumped on Foles at all thus far.

I contend that the early years of Smith's career are loaded with valid reasons/contributions ("excuses") for his poor development and play.. in those first handful of years.

I am open to contending the same for Foles' early years of ugly results. I have to phrase it this way, because I have not watched enough of Foles' years as a pro to really commit to any conclusions of him.

That seems consistent and fair.

Now, on to the hypocrisy that HAS been or likely WILL be exposed :

Others have dismissed the valid reasons/contributions for Smith.. repeatedly.

Soon, we can really see if they do the same for Foles... or if they suddenly change these set rules for the QB because his name is not Smith.

That would then be inconsistent, unfair, and hypocritical.

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[QUOTE=TigerUppercut;12530924]Remove Foles' 27 TD season because that was all a gimmick that Chip Kelly had going on with no defense having figured out until the next season. Just like the year Roman and Harbaugh unleashed Kaepernick, nobody had film to breakdown.

Foles is a flash in the pan. Smith actually has the second half of his career of proven, stable, quarterback play. He's a winner, don't fix what isn't broken.

Yeah, to be honest....I thought about that bolded part. It happened, though...that season happened and it can't be taken away from him, regardless of whether or not there is merit to the point people make that what Chip did that year was gimmicky to the point where it came off as unorthodox to opposing teams.

KC TD% in Redzone with Reid.

2013:5th 60%
2014:9th 58%
2015:12th 57%
2016: 20th 50%

As the talent has gone up, the success rate has gone done. Ironically, KC's best redzone year was with Bowe. This will be one of the major factors in deciding how we do in the playoffs IMHO. Can't walk away with FG's. And I am probably ripping on Reid here a lot more than I am Smith. Actually, I definitely am.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ate=2016-11-06

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Cheeks (Post 12530932)

.. and just to be clear, let it be noted that I have not dumped on Foles at all thus far...I just think Alex has a cuter butt in his football pants.

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