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wachashi 02-07-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14783623)
Jones is tagged then traded to the Seahawks for their 2020 first round pick (27) and their 2021 fourth rounder. Now with two first round picks, KC moves back by trading their own first round pick (32) to Atlanta in exchange for their 2020 second round pick (55), third round pick (78), and a future fourth rounder. That gives the Chiefs:

1st: 27
2nd: 55, 63
3rd: 78, 96
4th: 135
Plus Atlanta's and Seattle's 2021 fourth rounders.

Mahomes will be the highest paid player in the league, which is going to force the Chiefs to acquire more talent through the draft and less through free agency. I think Jones is gone unfortunately.

I used this trade value chart to try and stay realistic:

DRAFTEK

I doubt Jones is going to command more draft capital than Clark given the positions they play. We gave up pick 30 and a future second rounder for Clark.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-07-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 14783559)
People living a $60k lifestyle saying they wouldn't take the money if they were living a millionaires lifestyle. :rolleyes:

My lifestyle wouldn't change that much if I were a millionaire. But I understand that our culture promotes greed.

Money is God. And tens of millions just ain't enough.

Mecca 02-07-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14783640)
This is 100% correct. A little too costly for what he actually is.

Sorenson isn't awful or anything but when we are going to have the highest paid QB in the league, that is a luxury we don't have anymore.

Guys like Sorenson have to be replaced by late draft picks/UDFAs that guy do the job or vets that will take cheap deals to win. That is the reality of the situation.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-07-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14783636)
He is almost a 6 million dollar cap hit, can you justify that for a 3rd safety?

His cap hit for next year is 4.75 mil

We would only save 3.75 mil by cutting him

suzzer99 02-07-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14783548)
Eric Berry & Anthony Hitchens are taking up about $21M of cap space for 2020 season. That’s brutal.

We sucked pretty bad when Hitchens was out. I think he's one of those guys like Fisher that isn't spectacular but the alternative is much much worse.

He's not worth $15M but he's probably worth $10M.

At least we're done done with Berry after this.

Also anyone who thinks we can get much in trade for one year of Watkins at $21M is crazy.

Jones tag and trade seems very live.

smithandrew051 02-07-2020 12:09 PM

Here’s my personal position order of importance for this offseason:

1. Secondary (I’m not saying “corner”, because we target hybrid players in our defense)
2. Interior OL (I like Wis and Rankin at G, but we need to upgrade C; any threat of a run game will tremendously help protect Mahomes)
3. LB (this would be higher, but we did just win the Super Bowl with below average talent here)
4. DL (just the guys coming back gives us an above average line, and that assumes no one takes a big step forward)
5. WR (I think we already have 2 very good-great WRs; Pringle can be a solid 4th; Kemp can be a good 5th)
6. RB (I like Thompson and Williams, but we need 1 more; helping the interior OL will make a big impact here)

Hoover 02-07-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14783632)
Brady was given a record-breaking contract after his rookie deal. At the time, he was still a game manager. He started doing the discounts later in his career when he developed into an elite QB.

Brady's 2nd contract was Deal: 5 years, $30.52M Signing Bonus: $10M

DRM08 02-07-2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14783641)
He was also a 6th round pick who hadn’t made shit up until that point in his career.

Exactly. Got paid top dollar for being a game manager on a great team with incredible defense. Guessing Belichick hated that contract at the time.

Mahomes was paid as a top 10 pick, but that is chump change when you realize bums like Trubisky, Solomon Thomas, Mayfield and others have been paid about double Mahomes. Hard to blame his agent if they demand top dollar. But the only way to get a dynasty is if he gives a serious discount.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-07-2020 12:10 PM

Tee Higgins or Justin Jefferson should be available at #32 when it comes to a WR

smithandrew051 02-07-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14783651)
We sucked pretty bad when Hitchens was out. I think he's one of those guys like Fisher that isn't spectacular but the alternative is much much worse.

He's not worth $15M but he's probably worth $10M.

At least we're done done with Berry after this.

Also anyone who thinks we can get much in trade for one year of Watkins at $21M is crazy.

Jones tag and trade seems very live.

The idea behind trading Watkins is that the team who trades for him would have a new deal done at the time the trade is completed. Basically, the trade allows the other team the exclusive right to re-negotiate the deal.

Otherwise, Watkins will be outright released.

Halfcan 02-07-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14783623)
Jones is tagged then traded to the Seahawks for their 2020 first round pick (27) and their 2021 fourth rounder. Now with two first round picks, KC moves back by trading their own first round pick (32) to Atlanta in exchange for their 2020 second round pick (55), third round pick (78), and a future fourth rounder. That gives the Chiefs:

1st: 27
2nd: 55, 63
3rd: 78, 96
4th: 135
Plus Atlanta's and Seattle's 2021 fourth rounders.

Mahomes will be the highest paid player in the league, which is going to force the Chiefs to acquire more talent through the draft and less through free agency. I think Jones is gone unfortunately.

Jones is worth more than that for compensation.

FloridaMan88 02-07-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14783430)
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This would be the best strategy IMO.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-07-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14783653)
Here’s my personal position order of importance for this offseason:

1. Secondary (I’m not saying “corner”, because we target hybrid players in our defense)
2. Interior OL (I like Wis and Rankin at G, but we need to upgrade C; any threat of a run game will tremendously help protect Mahomes)
3. LB (this would be higher, but we did just win the Super Bowl with below average talent here)
4. DL (just the guys coming back gives us an above average line, and that assumes no one takes a big step forward)
5. WR (I think we already have 2 very good-great WRs; Pringle can be a solid 4th; Kemp can be a good 5th)
6. RB (I like Thompson and Williams, but we need 1 more; helping the interior OL will make a big impact here)

Reiter was actually the best OL besides Schwartz against the 49ers. He doesn’t suck. LDT got manhandled. We need to replace him

Halfcan 02-07-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14783663)
The idea behind trading Watkins is that the team who trades for him would have a new deal done at the time the trade is completed. Basically, the trade allows the other team the exclusive right to re-negotiate the deal.

Otherwise, Watkins will be outright released.

Lose our 2nd best receiver who just balled out in the playoffs, And take a Huge cap hit?

smithandrew051 02-07-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14783667)
Reiter was actually the best OL besides Schwartz against the 49ers. He doesn’t suck. LDT got manhandled. We need to replace him

I think we already have his replacement in Rankin. He looked great until his injury. Sign Wis to a one year deal to start at the other guard. Reiter becomes the weak link then.


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