Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15887663)

I'm not seeing how Mathieu is helping him at all on that play. Mathieu is breaking on the route coming across the middle underneath. How does he also help on an out route going to the sideline?

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15887660)

It LOOKS like a cover 3 and if it was then that one is 100% on HB sticking to the underneath instead of taking the deep 3rd.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15887680)

Diggs makes the first part of his move (the out) at the 50. That's right where Mathieu has stationed himself and if the ball goes to Diggs on the out, Mathieu is in a position to get over there and make a play on it. So if that's the design of the coverage (a cover-2 Robber), then Sorensen had no need to drive on the out because Mathieu was in position to continue over on it.

Now obviously if he carried the route all the way to the sideline, that would've vacated Mathieu's zone. At that point, though, you have Hughes in the area.

He just can't be that aggressive on that route.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15887683)

I'm sorry, but there is just no way in hell Mathieu is ever going to be in a position to help on that route. Just pause on the first break and then look at the direction of where Diggs is headed and then look at where Mathieu is. Is Mathieu superhuman or some shit? Can he fly?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15887692)

Like I said - if it's a true 'out' I agree with you. If that ball is thrown outside the numbers, it's not a play Mathieu can make (I think that would probably be up to Hughes at that point). But look at Dan - HE didn't even play it like a deep out. He drove down on it like it was more of a stop/curl. He's driving right at the inside of the numbers there. And if that's the route he's trying to defend I do think Mathieu can make a play on it.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 15887698)

You started out by saying that Mathieu is covering the out route....

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15887732)

And then that brings up a serious question with regards to the rest of the year, should KC trade Mathieu now for help in the front 7? Could you get Deion Jones from Atlanta for HB, for example? Any pass rushers?

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15887732)

Honestly, what Mathieu is doing on the field isn't going to ever help this team either. You can't be that open about your teammates ****ing up on stage because I've watched him have his share of **** ups too. Your team stops responding to your leadership when you are blaming rather than leading. Sit the guy down and have a 1-on-1, anything, but not that shit. I understand accountability but I don't see how he's helping anyone be accountable.

And then that brings up a serious question with regards to the rest of the year, should KC trade Mathieu now for help in the front 7? Could you get Deion Jones from Atlanta for HB, for example? Any pass rushers?

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15887732)

Honestly, what Mathieu is doing on the field isn't going to ever help this team either. You can't be that open about your teammates ****ing up on stage because I've watched him have his share of **** ups too. Your team stops responding to your leadership when you are blaming rather than leading. Sit the guy down and have a 1-on-1, anything, but not that shit. I understand accountability but I don't see how he's helping anyone be accountable.

And then that brings up a serious question with regards to the rest of the year, should KC trade Mathieu now for help in the front 7? Could you get Deion Jones from Atlanta for HB, for example? Any pass rushers?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15887680)

Diggs makes the first part of his move (the out) at the 50. That's right where Mathieu has stationed himself and if the ball goes to Diggs on the out, Mathieu is in a position to get over there and make a play on it. So if that's the design of the coverage (a cover-2 Robber), then Sorensen had no need to drive on the out because Mathieu was in position to continue over on it.

Now obviously if he carried the route all the way to the sideline, that would've vacated Mathieu's zone. At that point, though, you have Hughes in the area.

He just can't be that aggressive on that route.



Yeah, if it's a cover 3 its on Mathieu. But Thornhill isn't playing like it's a cover 3 either. He's sticking right between the hash and the numbers - that looks like a cover 2 to me.

That's why some of this stuff can be tough - if it's a cover 3, Mathieu gacked it, for sure. I personally think it was a 2-deep robber sort of coverage and Sorensen blew it with a bit of an assist from Thornhill. And ultimately it could've been a disguised cover 1 with doubles on the underneath routes from Mathieu and Thornhill, in which case the blame is really on Spags for dialing up a crazy aggressive coverage w/ Sorensen being asked to do more than can reasonably be expected.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15887680)

Diggs makes the first part of his move (the out) at the 50. That's right where Mathieu has stationed himself and if the ball goes to Diggs on the out, Mathieu is in a position to get over there and make a play on it. So if that's the design of the coverage (a cover-2 Robber), then Sorensen had no need to drive on the out because Mathieu was in position to continue over on it.

Now obviously if he carried the route all the way to the sideline, that would've vacated Mathieu's zone. At that point, though, you have Hughes in the area.

He just can't be that aggressive on that route.



Yeah, if it's a cover 3 its on Mathieu. But Thornhill isn't playing like it's a cover 3 either. He's sticking right between the hash and the numbers - that looks like a cover 2 to me.

That's why some of this stuff can be tough - if it's a cover 3, Mathieu gacked it, for sure. I personally think it was a 2-deep robber sort of coverage and Sorensen blew it with a bit of an assist from Thornhill. And ultimately it could've been a disguised cover 1 with doubles on the underneath routes from Mathieu and Thornhill, in which case the blame is really on Spags for dialing up a crazy aggressive coverage w/ Sorensen being asked to do more than can reasonably be expected.