Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16576069)

The biggest problem for the Chiefs is the tackle position. Everything else is pretty straight forwards.

At WR, I think it's clear what's happening. They are going to let Hardman walk. You sign JuJu to a two or three year deal. That give you a WR corp of JuJu, MVS, Moore, and Toney for the next two seasons. Not only is that a lot of stability, but if Toney develops into a #1 WR, they you can take care of him when the time comes. For as bad as out WR room looked this offseason, Veach has done great work in stabilizing things at the position without breaking the bank.

EDGE - This is where the cap space has to be used IMO. While we need to continue to draft defensive playmakers, I don't think we will ever be in a position to really draft the player we need where we are drafting. The scary thing is that there isn't much out on the market to get excited about at the moment.

OT - I still think Brown is an option moving forward. Far from perfect, you just have to get him at the right price. RT is a position we need to just continue to throw mid-round draft picks at. At the bare minimum you are establishing some depth.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16575870)

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16576070)

If you take out Tyreek’s low cap hit this year and his ballooned cap hit in the last year of his contract, you’ve got the meat of his contract with is 3 years.

2023-$31.2 million
2024-$24.8 million
2025-$28 million

That’s an average of $28 million for those 3 years. That’s basically a QB contract. As of right now Tyreek’s $28 million average would be the 11th highest QB contract in 2024.

With Mahomes contract that isn’t realistic. In that same timeframe Mahomes contract averages $45.7 million so you’re looking at almost $74 million for 2 players.

And yes I know Patrick has the contract set up for cap relief but Clark isn’t cutting checks for Patrick every year.

It wasn’t feasible or responsible

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16576080)

Exactly how I feel about Juju. Skyy and Toney are cheap for 3 years after this year.

Juju’s cap hit year 1 (2023) is low. In 2024 you can cut MVS and get $10 million back when Juju’s cap hits balloon.

But you can use a high pick to draft another WR as well.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16576087)

But you can't just 'take out the low 1st year' because he was due to make substantially more than that. They 'traded' a low hit this year for larger hits in the subsequent years.

It's 3/$72 or 4/$95. So between $23-$25 million/yr (more likely to be $23) depending on when they pull the chute.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16576099)

Then folks shouldn’t be mad at Juju’s $24 million avg I speculated about.

Bc these contracts will be similar. If Tyreek’s averages $23 million (ish) then Juju’s will likely be around $16 million

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16576115)

So what do we do if Jones won't sign an extension? Just pay him $27M then let him walk? Try to trade him now? Other?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16576114)

As a philosophy, if you didn't wanna pay Tyreek, I don't know how you turn around and then pay JJSS.

Just look for the next JJSS and keep drafting.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16576118)

Pay him what you have to and forget about it.

Dude is the best DT in the league now.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16576121)

Interesting exercise:

Let's say that Hill's practical guarantees are worth about 75% of his APY (the math is easier; its nearer 77%).

And let's say that JJSS ends up with an APY of $24 million. 75% of that would be $18 million in practical guarantees at that point.

You interested at that rate? 3 years, $54 million? So figure a $20 million signing bonus, base salaries of 5, 13 and 16 to total $34 million in salary on top of the bonus. Cut him after year 3 with $5 million in dead money? Cap hits of $10, $18 and $21 million in the first 3 years? Probably have to injury guarantee at least half of that year 3 salary at worst; probably fully guarantee it at the start of the 2024 league year for 2025.

It would be a better deal than what Kirk got, IMO. Kirk would have slightly better numbers in the first 2 years but gives it back in year 3. But the Jags also payed a "we really suck" premium.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16576114)

As a philosophy, if you didn't wanna pay Tyreek, I don't know how you turn around and then pay JJSS.

Just look for the next JJSS and keep drafting.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16575828)

Some of you guys are overvaluing the worth of some of the players...

Bolton is probably a 13 mill per year average player, he does not have the freakish athletic traits and cover ability all the ones that got paid do.

Willie Gay is probably 8 mill per year average because he has freaky athletic traits but lacks the production.

Creed Humphrey, I do believe he will get paid top 3 center money.

Trey Smith, I don't see him breaking the bank either he'll make solid guard money but he isn't gonna get Thuney money.

The issue is JuJu and Hardman are hitting FA in a terrible WR FA year so they're value is gonna be pushed up.

I do believe JuJu could come very close to getting 20 mill per year if he's willing to go play for like the Bears. And no he's not a 1, he's a really really good complimentary piece.