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IowaHawkeyeChief 12-08-2022 09:17 PM

Our pass rush is considerably better this year from last in both pressures and sacks. We definitely aren't there yet, but give this young secondary another year and add a quality edge rusher and we could be top 3rd...

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-08-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16654248)
If you get JJ Watt, a decent strategy might be to save him for the 4th quarter of close regular season games and obviously the 2nd half of close Playoff games. I think perhaps he could be a good teacher/coach for younger players like Karlaftis. That's where Watt could provide a ton of value, regardless of what he might be doing on the field.

Veach isn't going to add a washed up old vet unless he comes on a thin deal or late in the year like Suggs or Engram.

Chris Meck 12-08-2022 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16654618)
Veach isn't going to add a washed up old vet unless he comes on a thin deal or late in the year like Suggs or Engram.

Watt has made plenty of money. He's had every individual accolade there is. The one thing he's not had is play-off success, or a chance at a championship.
At his age, with his injury history, I think the days of the big deal for him are over, and I would expect he knows that. IF he still has hunger for a championship, this would be the place.

I'm absolutely not throwing a bunch of money at him, but at a small deal, and limited snaps to fill the Suggs/Ingram/Dunlap role, I'd totally do it. He's a high quality individual, and would be a great mentor to what other than Jones is likely to be a very young line.

DRM08 12-08-2022 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16654618)
Veach isn't going to add a washed up old vet unless he comes on a thin deal or late in the year like Suggs or Engram.

Agree, gotta be very careful with the cash. :thumb:

Chief Roundup 12-09-2022 01:39 PM

Yannick Ngakoue and one of the vets along the lines of what Engram and Dunlap have been for us.

Chris Meck 12-09-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16654618)
Veach isn't going to add a washed up old vet unless he comes on a thin deal or late in the year like Suggs or Engram.

yeah, THIN DEAL.

I'm not saying sign old ass JJ Watt to a big assed contract.

Jeesh.

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-09-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16654697)
Watt has made plenty of money. He's had every individual accolade there is. The one thing he's not had is play-off success, or a chance at a championship.
At his age, with his injury history, I think the days of the big deal for him are over, and I would expect he knows that. IF he still has hunger for a championship, this would be the place.

I'm absolutely not throwing a bunch of money at him, but at a small deal, and limited snaps to fill the Suggs/Ingram/Dunlap role, I'd totally do it. He's a high quality individual, and would be a great mentor to what other than Jones is likely to be a very young line.

I agree if he wants to trophy hunt...

Chris Meck 12-09-2022 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16655935)
I agree if he wants to trophy hunt...

I can't imagine any other reason to keep playing, honestly. He's made a ton of money

The Franchise 12-09-2022 10:26 PM

Watt would be a better 5th DE than Kaindoh or Herring has been.

Ngakoue
Karlaftis
Rookie
Danna
Watt

JPH83 12-10-2022 02:34 AM

I think I'd still rather a younger possibly cheaper guy alongside a vet. Someone like Omenihu or Okoronkwo and then a DT who can stuff then run. Then a DE in the first 2 rounds

RunKC 12-12-2022 12:26 PM

Extend Chris Jones. Then I would go after Yannick Ngakoue and Charles Omenihu or Arden Key in wave 2 (we looked at both). Then draft the best rusher we can in the first or 2nd rd, be it DE or interior

Stryker 12-13-2022 08:43 PM

McShay has this for us...Early mock

30. Kansas City Chiefs (10-3)
Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

The Chiefs pieced together an effective pass-rush this season, but 17 of their 42 sacks have come on blitzes. Carlos Dunlap is under contract for only this season, and Chris Jones and Frank Clark are set to be free agents after next season. Kansas City drafted George Karlaftis in Round 1 in April, but it needs more. Verse overwhelms blockers with his speed and power and is disruptive in the backfield (14 tackles for loss). Alternatively, Kansas City has both starting offensive tackles unsigned after this season, and it could still use more receiving options, so either of those positions could warrant a look.

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Chris Meck 12-13-2022 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16654615)
Our pass rush is considerably better this year from last in both pressures and sacks. We definitely aren't there yet, but give this young secondary another year and add a quality edge rusher and we could be top 3rd...

Most of that is blitzes.

It's not from the front four.

We had a high 'pressure rate' last year, and still weren't getting home.

The front four is slightly better this year, but Sneed, and Gay, and Bolton, etc. all have sacks and pressures in there too.

I expect Karlaftis to continue to improve, and Jones will be Jones. We need one more minimum that can consistently beat one on one blocking.

Chris Meck 12-13-2022 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16665726)
McShay has this for us...Early mock

30. Kansas City Chiefs (10-3)
Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

The Chiefs pieced together an effective pass-rush this season, but 17 of their 42 sacks have come on blitzes. Carlos Dunlap is under contract for only this season, and Chris Jones and Frank Clark are set to be free agents after next season. Kansas City drafted George Karlaftis in Round 1 in April, but it needs more. Verse overwhelms blockers with his speed and power and is disruptive in the backfield (14 tackles for loss). Alternatively, Kansas City has both starting offensive tackles unsigned after this season, and it could still use more receiving options, so either of those positions could warrant a look.

would.

JPH83 12-14-2022 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16665746)
would.

Ditto. Need that explosiveness on the DL. Would be a good pick imo.


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