Agreed. It's who the Chiefs are this season.

I've been pining for Pacheco to get passes in the flat for awhile, and yesterday he did get at least one that I can remember. It's probably a wash between him and McKinnon with McKinnon having the edge with some old man tricks, but Pacheco is the future McKinnon (as much as I love him) is not.

But it is certainly positive that he is getting looks.

AFAIC Mahomes has earned the rope to make those calls, but I agree with chucking it out of bounds. In all likelihood he's not that dude, probably. Those two will stand out on film and he'll lock that away in his archives, but he's probably always going to be the guy that thinks if I can just make this one guy miss I can smoke the other fool.

But yeah, chuck that bitch out of bounds, please?

There is no reason why you can’t build around efficiency but also have options that allow you to get aggressive. Toney shows time and time again that when he’s not out there we do not have a sideline threat. Who else is going up to get passes the way he does besides of course kelce? These are routine plays for other teams. Even if we could open it up how good are our options? Mvs continues to be horrible adjusting to the ball. Hell what’s the point of him being out there when he really hurts efficiency. Jujus solid enough but he’s not gonna match up against shutdown CBs or give you the speed you need there.

We are built decently well now for efficiency. Cool, build off that. But we see time and time and time again that our speed guys are horrendous adjusting to the ball, and our size guys aren’t fast enough to stretch the field.

Man, I'm really not sure what you're arguing.

We have more a more explosive offense than last season by any statistical measure. Juju, who I wouldn't call 'explosive' is averaging 11.9 yards per catch, and Hill, who I would call explosive was at 11.1 last year.

We're the number one offense in football, despite a lot of fumbles and dumb interceptions-far more than previous seasons.

The only change we need to make is to clean things up.

Literally.

[QUOTE=oldman;16703001]The ease in scoring that 1st TD may have set the tone for some to ease up a bit. That leads to mistakes and mistakes lead to opponents points. You can rationalize all you want about Denver being up for this game due to a coaching change/embarrassing loss, but I see it as a disturbing trend where we take sad teams too lightly. Denver twice, Houston, Indy, and the Raiders games were fine examples.[OTE]

No that's not what happened. WE scored on the first drive and then botched the XP. After the donks kicked a FG we drove the ball down the field and then the refs blew an obvious PI in the end zone and on the next play Mahomes tried to squeeze one in and it got picked. Our D held and then Toney tried to do to much on the punt return and fumbled the ball away. That gave the donks some juice and they scored a TD and the game was on. The Chiefs didn't ease up they screwed up. Then they won the game so it's all good.

I’m tired of this narrative that we are so explosive on offense that we should be remotely content. Andy Reid is a magician making it really work with what we have. But we have clear limits. And they are limits on talent, not on sloppiness. Anyone not looking at stats on paper can see that our offense hasn’t been nearly as explosive as you continue to suggest. Two bad second halves against denver. Terrible game vs Seattle. Struggled against the rams. And despite what the numbers say, we had a really hard time moving the ball vs the chargers and titans. I get why we want to be more efficient but we have some glaring issues with the passing game.

And the narrative that we weren’t explosive last year is also overused and exaggerated. We were dominant the second half of last year including back to back 40+ point playoff wins. We had one bad second half against cincy.

You’re not gonna clean up Mvs. He just isn’t it. For crying out loud we run Watson on 75% of snaps simply for running the right routes. Thats a talent issue. Defenses can essentially wipe out two of our WRs without paying a lick of attention to them. Juju is solid but we all know he’s a possession guy. Again I applaud our move to efficiency and I know this is a rebuild year. I’m just shocked at how many are content with what our offense has become. I don’t care what the numbers say, as good as we’ve been, we are capable of way better and we can be with more talent.

Amen! We have the QB. We can be so much more.

No we dont. The clean up part is a biproduct of what this offense has become. Buff and Cin are explosive. We dink and dunk and break the short ones big sometimes, which gets us many of the long completions stats.

Yeah it's a odd offense really. It's elite, absolutely lethal a lot of the time, but explosive? Dunno. I'm happy to be proven wrong but it seems like we're ripping off fewer chunk plays than in previous years. That said I think that started last year when we did have an elite WR, so who knows, and obviously there's a reasonable argument of "who cares?"

I can kind of see it both ways. If we had a decent RT maybe some of the longer developing explosive plays have a better chance. But do we really expect this WR group to be delivering that? I do think the one obvious area of improvement for the offense is here though. Maybe we get that with a WR upgrade, maybe OT. As long as we build in at least one of those positions next year I'll be happy.

Look, guys, you're arguing against a fantasty.

'content'?

No, realistic. We have 33 players under contract for 2023, and that includes literally not a single starting offensive tackle.

There will not be money to go buy a star #1 in free agency.

Nobody's saying we wouldn't like upgrades. Nobody's saying that.

All I'm saying is that we're going to have to draft and develop them.

Of course Cinci is more 'explosive'-they've got their high first round pick WR and elite QB on rookie deals.

We don't have that anymore. And you can't just go buy one.

The cap will not allow it.

So yeah, I agree, this is a tiresome argument, because the cap is real, and paying Mahomes is real, and the fact that we have to field a full team is real.

It's not ****ing happening. So move the **** on, already.

There's nothing wrong with the offense that better execution doesn't fix. There will be turnover in the offseason, as there will be every year now. It's life with an elite QB getting paid as such.

For the remainder of this season, KC will go as far as their execution level determines. The only thing that ever stops them is themselves, with fumbles, drops, INT's. Also, just in my opinion, sub-par OT play, but that's just me.

No, we don't have time to run WASP. So if that's what you want, then you need better OT's. Two of 'em. And you definitely can't have THAT and also pay market price for a speedy WR1.

Nobody's saying they don't want it. Some of us are saying it's not feasible.

I think and hope getting Toney out there and getting skyy better will help quite a bit. Those guys help a ton with the passing game by taking those quick hitches and wiggling for gains. And McKinnon helps a ton too obviously. But once we get that more consistently even if the defense loosens up an inch we should be taking it a mile. Which then makes it even easier to open up the short game. But we just don’t have the horses to do that. None of our guys right now scare other teams downfield. Denver did exactly that. The opportunities were there and we didn’t take advantage of them. Some of that is obviously on mahomes for flat out missing. But the only WR who scares anybody downfield right now is Toney and I’m not sure we can ever rely on him to have a huge snap share.

So you're really arguing 'air yards'?

I personally don't think a shorter pass that a receiver breaks a long run counts any less than a pass that travels 40 yards in the air.

We don't have ****ing time to run WASP.

I could be wrong but I *think* the Chiefs (and their top 5 offense) are among the best this year for plays of 20+ yards.

Mahomes is 5th in air yards

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...g_advanced.htm

But #23 per attempt and #19 in completed air yards per attempt. We are also #2 in YAC.