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RunKC 01-11-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16728588)
If you can't replace Juju with Skyy in year 2, what exactly did you draft him in the 2nd round for?

To play Justin Watson’s role, which is the 3rd most snaps at WR this year.

If you listen to the pod in the OP, Veach was a big fan of Watson at the senior bowl. Didn’t get him, so he brought him in last February before FA.

Nate himself said it was their best sneaky acquisition that helped them win the division.

Watson was signed to a futures deal guys. Expectations were low. They didn’t expect him to be this good. As Nate pointed out, Watson cooked JC Jackson in the 2nd game of the year. He’s done a nice job. Patrick was even surprised with how fast Watson was in the off-season.

Skyy isn’t getting Watson’s snaps

O.city 01-11-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728529)
Nope. It was Watson

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728581)
He is. And that’s why I don’t think Moore can be compared to his role as much as Watson.



Again I think this was by design. Teams are deploying the Fangio cover 2 to cut off the deep ball and Andy has countered with this plan using Kelce/Juju/Gray/Fortson/Bell as well as utilizing McKinnon in the flat and it has worked beautifully.

We’re killing teams in the flat and middle intermediate and they can’t stop it.



This is bizarre. Moore’s college tape shows him on the outside catching along passes as a vertical receiver.



Some things yes. But I think Watson is his ideal role.

So Watsons snaps went up when JJSS went down (along with Hardman) and it was during that time that Moore got the most snaps of the year, then as they came back his went down.

Yes, Skyy beat alot of north dakota state CB's on the outside, he's not likely doing that in the NFL.

So the 2nd round WR we drafted is behind the future's pick FA we signed. That's not the most ideal situation.

OKchiefs 01-11-2023 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16728652)
So Watsons snaps went up when JJSS went down (along with Hardman) and it was during that time that Moore got the most snaps of the year, then as they came back his went down.

Yes, Skyy beat alot of north dakota state CB's on the outside, he's not likely doing that in the NFL.

So the 2nd round WR we drafted is behind the future's pick FA we signed. That's not the most ideal situation.

Maybe I’m wrong, but it sure seems like KC keeps drafting slot/gadget guys in the 2nd round (Hardman/Moore) instead of trying to find an X type receiver for the first time ever in the Reid era.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728581)
This is bizarre. Moore’s college tape shows him on the outside catching along passes as a vertical receiver.

Some things yes. But I think Watson is his ideal role.

Look at the numbers. He was used overwhelmingly as an underneath receiver. Highlights lie - the stats don't.

And if Watson is your goal for him, that's a bad pick in the 4th round, let alone the 2nd.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728609)
To play Justin Watson’s role, which is the 3rd most snaps at WR this year.

If you listen to the pod in the OP, Veach was a big fan of Watson at the senior bowl. Didn’t get him, so he brought him in last February before FA.

3rd among WRs means 4th among targets and 5th if Hardman is healthy.

You don't draft a 5th option in the second round.

OKchiefs 01-11-2023 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728689)
3rd among WRs means 4th among targets and 5th if Hardman is healthy.

You don't draft a 5th option in the second round.

Brett Veach clearly does

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16728695)
Brett Veach clearly does

Only if he missed on the pick.

So which is it, Run?

Was Moore a good pick or should he be replacing Justin Watson next year?

Because it can't be both.

Red Dawg 01-11-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16728358)
Looking at the WR free agent market this offseason....why would JJSS sign for less here? It's a barren wasteland.

He strikes me as a guy not totally driven by money. He likes it here and he likes winning. Playing with Mahomes he will take a fair deal and stay. That's the way he sounds when he's been asked. I am sure he's aware that we won't blow the top of the market on him. We already put that out there with Hill getting traded.

RunKC 01-11-2023 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728689)
3rd among WRs means 4th among targets and 5th if Hardman is healthy.

You don't draft a 5th option in the second round.

I just looked and there’s another target you didn’t mention. Noah Gray. 597 snaps this year. More than Watson and 4th behind Kelce, Juju and MVS.

I think that proves the whole “Andy countering cover 2 with bigger intermediate weapons and McKinnon” theory.

But yes I agree that Skyy should have done more this year, but Watson proved his value this year. Beating JC Jackson in week 2 for a TD really upped his value and earned trust from Patrick.

Need to see what Skyy does next season though.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16728705)
He strikes me as a guy not totally driven by money. He likes it here and he likes winning. Playing with Mahomes he will take a fair deal and stay. That's the way he sounds when he's been asked. I am sure he's aware that we won't blow the top of the market on him. We already put that out there with Hill getting traded.

A 'fair deal' still meets or exceeds Christian Kirk's contract.

We shouldn't be paying that for a wealthier Jarvis Landry.

ToxSocks 01-11-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728709)
A 'fair deal' still meets or exceeds Christian Kirk's contract.

We shouldn't be paying that for a wealthier Jarvis Landry.

You really think someone is gonna offer him a Christian Kirk contract?

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16728710)
You really think someone is gonna offer him a Christian Kirk contract?

I think he'll end up getting a BETTER offer than Kirk got.

I don't think his agent takes the call from anyone offering less.

RunKC 01-11-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728709)
A 'fair deal' still meets or exceeds Christian Kirk's contract.

We shouldn't be paying that for a wealthier Jarvis Landry.

Juju turned down a $14 million contract with Baltimore to come here. I think he would do a team friendly deal.

JMO

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16728715)
Juju turned down a $14 million contract with Baltimore to come here. I think he would do a team friendly deal.

JMO

Because he felt KC set him up better to rehab his value and become a more attractive FA target.

Taking a 1 year deal to better position yourself in the FA market isn't evidence that he'll take a sweetheart deal to stay. It's quite the opposite.

smithandrew051 01-11-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728721)
Because he felt KC set him up better to rehab his value and become a more attractive FA target.

Taking a 1 year deal to better position yourself in the FA market isn't evidence that he'll take a sweetheart deal to stay. It's quite the opposite.

Plus, I wouldn’t take much away from any of his public statements.

He’s playing it absolutely right with his comments. He should say he loves it here and wants to stay. Badmouthing the Chiefs and Reid hasn’t worked out too well for other guys.

Sounds like he made a really good decision last offseason. I hope similar players see that and follow his lead.


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