Except the ref doesn't need to STFU unless the league office tells him to. Would it be nice if he had? Sure, but Toney was clearly offsides, and the official is under no obligation to let him off with a warning no matter how many times he did so on previous plays.

Bottom line, don't ever give the refs a green light to throw a flag for such a dumb penalty. Move the **** back.

Yeah, actually the Ref does need to STFU. Bottom line call it or don't but don't decide after not calling it for 58 minutes you're suddenly going to call it.

How do you know that? It doesn't take much for a Ref to acknowledge.....

Long reign McDermott! Leader of men! his brainness is a lighter shade of gray

Nah, bud. Schwartz and Dan both were pretty clear about it: Toney didn't ask the refs about his alignment. He glanced over basically to tell the ref "I'm on ball," but never 'asked' about his alignment the whole game, according to Orlovsky and others.

This one is different than the Mclaurin fiasco last season. I watched that game, and Terry was on the far side, with the ref about 15 feet from him. He quite clearly asks the ref about his alignment, then moves his front foot a couple inches back, and the ref nods. Then, once Terry looks back at the ball and away from the ref, you can see the ref reach for his waist, where his flag is, and as soon as the ball is snapped, he throws it. That was utter BS, imo.


What Toney does isn't even close to what Terry did.

lol if the chiefs losing saves McDermott's job

I'm kinda okay with it if that's the case

Buffalo D choked again under McDermott but were bailed out by the refs.

I'm pretty sure it did. He failed to kill the clock adequately in their last drive and force our timeouts. He was once again going to be blamed for choking late. Don't think he would have overcome it.

He would never have called it if Toney had simply lined up properly. It's 100% on Toney, and not the officials.

This would be my biggest gripe at this point.

If the official was standing in the wrong spot and Toney looked up past the ball and at the official to determine the LOS, then the official is the problem.

I really don't know at this point. Is that official the 'real' LOS? We know it's not the blue line. And Creed could've moved the ball back after Toney lined up. Ultimately isn't the official SUPPOSED to be standing at the LOS there? If so, it would seem that yeah - we might've gotten rat-****ed here.

He didn't call it the other 3 or 4 times so.....once again he needed to STFU

Exactly.

Just like CJ, when he lined up where he always does, didn't move, gave the ref the opportunity, and got called for encroachment.

Well I AM a conspiracy factist and that is exactly what happened.

You do realize you're just making excuses for the Refs not calling games consistently, right? That's pretty much the essence of the entire argument.

And this isn't even a judgement call like say a PI. Or at least not to the same degree. As much as Toney has blame you can't excuse a Ref for seeing this all game and not calling it until the last 2 minutes.

That's like a working for a boss that watches you doing something wrong for months and not saying anything and then when it's review time he drops the bomb knowing you might not have realized you were doing something wrong because he never said anything until it mattered.