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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18002354)

what a chuckle****.

'getting old'?

LOL.

Other than Kelce, who's old?

Got younger on the OL. Got younger in the secondary. Got younger in the RB room. Got younger in the WR room. Got younger in the QB room. Got younger (so far) on the DL.
Even Juju One-leg is only 28. And he'll be WR4 at best to start the season.

He threw Jones into the getting old segment of players.

Which there is some truth to.

But on the whole… don’t get it.

Like I said, he was talking out of both sides his mouth big time. In the same breath, he talked about how Thuney was a devastating loss that we didn’t want to have happen — despite him being old and a traded away asset.

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18002222)

Sneed pick makes BPA all the more palatable no matter the position.

RB, LT, WR, whatever it is — if you somehow have a first round grade available at 31, take them. Even if DL is the best case scenario.

But knowing Veach, he’s going to see a McDuffie like graded player fall to the 20s, and flip 95 to go up and get them. And I’m more than OK with that if it’s a McDuffie like player. Again, having 65 makes it a lot more palatable.

Derrick Harmon. Goddamn do I love that guy. Same with Walter Nolen. If I’m Veach I would trad up for one of them if they’re in range, especially Harmon.

Posted it in the draft forum. I like way Veach swaps picks instead of giving them away. A trade with the Vikings for 24 and 97 for 31 and 66 is even per the draft chart. I’d love that

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18002217)

We are, and I get why a pessimistic minded person might lean the other way, but just wait til the draft is over.

People like to cite our 11-0 record in one score games last year as a sign of regression coming.

To me, it more so shows how our weak areas made a lot of games WAY closer than they shoulda been.

So sure, maybe we will go like 7-2 in one score games next year. But I could see us winning the four other games by multiple scores.

We won’t go 15-1, but we do have a shot to be a lot better equipped for the various potential playoff matchups that will inevitably occur. Last year, any team with a dominant defense would’ve gave us major problems due to the nature of our weaknesses at LT, LG, and RB.

When you have a mediocre offense it keeps other teams in the game.

We have fielded a mediocre offense every year since Matt Nagy arrived.

People say it's Andy's offense. Ok, great. But the playcalling and scheme has been stale the last two years. Just watching Mahomes throw passes at the LOS or trick plays feels like I am watching a shittier, less slick version of the offense designed for Alex Smith.

I want to see us attack on offense again.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18002718)

When you have a mediocre offense it keeps other teams in the game.

We have fielded a mediocre offense every year since Matt Nagy arrived.

When you're missing 3 of your offenses' top 4 starters you aren't going to be as good on offense. By week 6 Hollywood, Pacheco, and Rice were all down for months or the whole season.

We still managed to win every close game we were in.

That's not a negative - that's an amazing positive that you have the heart and discipline to overcome having to use your B team on offense to win games. And you do it every single time.
Imagine what will happen this year if we have all those guys back...

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18002718)

Yea, playcalling was clearly the issue...

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18002478)

It’s incredible to me that anybody with eyes would say playcalling (no matter who was calling plays) was the problem last year.

Tyreek Hill is the only player I’ve seen get open more than Xavier Worthy. Dude was always ****ing wide open and the either OL was ass and ruined the play or the QB was ass throwing it downfield missing him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On my life 2019 Mahomes hits this throw to Worthy <a href="https://t.co/evPp43sHhz">pic.twitter.com/evPp43sHhz</a></p>— 𝘙𝘑 (@RJLockedIn) <a href="https://twitter.com/RJLockedIn/status/1840534723631743357?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes missed 4th quarter touchdowns in Week 10:<br><br>1. Xavier Worthy (51 yards)<br>2. Travis Kelce (2 yards) <a href="https://t.co/CdyptzC6MM">pic.twitter.com/CdyptzC6MM</a></p>— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1855990968064893003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes ... Xavier Worthy ... sheesh <a href="https://t.co/2qP8bCKy9Z">pic.twitter.com/2qP8bCKy9Z</a></p>— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1848363270765174813?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even as a decoy this mf got people wide ass open but the OL shit itself and ruined the play.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes is bombing that to Worthy if he was protected I just know it <a href="https://t.co/t93I2JEWMZ">pic.twitter.com/t93I2JEWMZ</a></p>— 𝘙𝘑 (@RJLockedIn) <a href="https://twitter.com/RJLockedIn/status/1836075774442414302?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anyone blaming playcalling didn’t watch this football team

The mic’d up from I believe it was the Chargers game showed me that the conservativeness was not on Matt Nagy.

He repeatedly told Mahomes, “have a **** it mentality”, “sling it, fire away” etc etc

If he felt like he had to coach Mahomes to play with a **** it mentality, that tells me they saw it as a Mahomes problem. And if it was a Mahomes problem last year, you could track it back to the left tackle.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18002718)

Then you're going to need Mahomes to do a better job. This offense, regardless of who is calling the plays, had guys like Worthy running WIDE OPEN and Patrick didn't even look their way.

The problem is Mahomes playing like he's Alex Smith, not Andy/Nagy calling plays like he is. This is the same shit we saw with Alex, guys running wide open down the field. Some people blamed the offense too ten, and they were proven wrong when we got a young gunslinger.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18002396)

That's the only way...I there are far too many roster holes to trade picks away. DT is just too deep this year to trade up and lose picks imho. If they wanted, thet could get two DTs, a 1st rnder that starts and replaces Wharton, and a fireplug w/ the 66 or 95 to replace Nnadi, both of whom will be an immediate upgrade. Swaps I can live with.

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports the Steelers are comfortable starting QB Mason Rudolph in 2025."<br><br>Fans on the other hand... <a href="https://t.co/Keys2UglSi">pic.twitter.com/Keys2UglSi</a></p>— Andy Holloway (@andyholloway) <a href="https://twitter.com/andyholloway/status/1902369978814492942?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18002849)

Then you're going to need Mahomes to do a better job. This offense, regardless of who is calling the plays, had guys like Worthy running WIDE OPEN and Patrick didn't even look their way.

Mahomes patting the ball and electing to check down to Juju in the SB instead of throwing it to Worthy down the sideline with no safety help still makes me worried.

That’s not like him. He 1 million % throws that ball if it’s 2018 Mahomes.

I think the personnel has really hurt him the last 2 years. It’s made him conservative bc he feels like he can’t make a mistake anymore bc he knows this offense can’t overcome it like it used to.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18002949)

Sadly, Mahomes has been turned into a game manager, don't know if this is self inflicted, coaching or both. Veach even said during the NFL draft press conferences that Mahomes is thinking too much about the opponent defense and giving them "too much credit," or something like that. I am not pleased with NAGY at all and am a believer in trends, and since his arrival the offense production has trended down and become predictable and stale. I think an aging/more ineffective Kelce has something to do with this, too. What adds to the dilemma is that Andy is heavily involved in the offense, so it's like to get a more state of the art offense that is ahead of current NFL defenses we would need to make a change there as well? We all know that isn't happening...

The audacious throws have disappeared in the past two years. I want them back. WHat can CP do to make this happen?

This is probably going to get some push back and that's fine.

But I really think in hindsight, letting OBJr walk was the biggest mistake Veach has made up to this point.

No he wasn't an elite LT, but he was serviceable and the most important thing is that Patrick trusted him and was mentally able to play freely with him protecting his blindside.

I think we all thought that because he wasn't elite he was easily replaceable. This has not only proven to not be true, but the damage done to Mahomes psyche behind two years of subpar LT play has been by far the biggest consequence of this and is going to have to be undone, which may or may not be easy.

We should have overpaid for him and just called it good. And to be clear, I'm not slamming Veach for this. It seemed like a shrewd move at the time and hindsight makes it look worse.

But the moral of the story is you just don't mess around at LT. If Patrick trusts a guy, that's your guy and you should stick with him.

Really hoping Moore can provide that same level of comfort that Brown gave Patrick and we might be back on schedule.

JFC the amount of time things have to be explained over and over to you ****ing whiny ****s is unbelievable.

For the millionth time, OBJ is the reason he didn't get an extension, one that would've paid him even more than what he got from Cincy. Not the Chiefs, or Veach. OBJ.

No amount of revisionist history changes actual history, sorry.