So you expect Shanahan to sit out 3 years because of friendship?

Wasn't there a head coach who took a pay cut
to bring in a coordinator he coveted
same thing could happen when the Rat takes a job

Again, I'm not saying Shanahan wouldn't come here. I'm just saying he's not coming here on the cheap.

That's what I'm gathering from his comments. That's why I keep saying BFF(best friends forever), because it's naive as shit to think that.

Again, he's making at least $7 million next year, regardless.

There have been probably half-a-dozen independent sources that have Shanahan coming to KC. Nothing definite, but so many rumors make me think it has a decent chance of happening. Mort was earlier reporting it was a done deal. The Chiefs had a vested interest (Rooney rule) in not having this info come out yet, hence the denials forcing Mort to back off.

Fair enough.

Clark's already shown that he's not gonna be running things "on the cheap".

The cheap move would have been to let both Carl and Herm ride it out for another season. Instead, he fired both. (ate the salary) And got the #1 GM candidate on the market.

Right. So the whole "offer Shanahan $3 million and let Bowlen eat the rest" scenario kind of rings false, doesn't it?

This pretty much sums it up:

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No. I expect him to demand as much as he can get and not take some insulting low-ball offer from the Chiefs just to stick it to Pat Bowlen.

Nobody said that. What was said is that he won't be making $8-9 million per year like you proclaimed he would.

So you know what the offer was now, do ya?:shake: JFC it's getting deep in here.

LOL... We ordered in pizza -- It was good. :D


That's why it is recommended to stick with America’s most influential newspapers. They know that sources can be munipulitive, agenda driven and can be dishonest. There are good reasons to use anonyomous sources -- However, we're talking about sports -- To label most of their information as news, would make mainstream media go nuts.

Sports is what it is -- Entertainment. lol

WRONG. That is EXACTLY what was said. I don't know what YOU'RE arguing about, but THESE are the posts that I'VE been talking about:




Notice - "between $2 million and $3 million"

That's an insulting low-ball offer for one of the best coaches in the league.

You should really try going to the toilet when you need to piss.


... And you ought to try to have a clue what you're arguing about when you need to argue.

Nah, it's more fun doing it on you.:D

ChiefsPlanetSpeak for "Damn, BigChiefFan was utterly wrong and looks like a damned fool!"

No, you and Taco have that market cornered tonight.

No. New economy.

Dude, anyone who can read can look at the last few posts and see you've got egg on your face.

Man up and admit it instead of digging deeper.

Do I have to make a series of quotes as a signature so it gets seen over and over by everyone?

$8 or $9 million, yikes. I thought this was "What have you done for me lately league." :D

I agree with the poster that said, why would the head coach make more money than the general manager.

I agree. But we both could be wrong... Then again, Shanahan can sit at home this season and collect his $6-$7 million salary. Sounds good to me.

Can you just ****ing stop? Of course, Shanahan isn't going to work for the Chiefs unless his total compensation is higher than it would be for sitting on his ass. I think Clark and Pioli can creatively structure the contract so that's true and have Bowlen pay most it. It's not ****ing rocket science.

I'm still here. YOU are the one who hasn't made a decent point. I stand by everything I've said.

Orange can't seem to grasp that Shanahan isn't going to be offered that kind of money to just be the coach. According to him, he believes Shanny will ask for MORE MONEY to just be the coach, than to be, BOTH the coach AND GM and then tells me I have egg on my face.

Orange is in full mental meltdown mode. He can't stand that Shanny could become our coach, it's unfathomable to him. Read the posts, decide for yourself.

Full Meltdown Jacket.

Personally, I love the new Arrowhead. The Arrowhead that doesn't show their hand until the time is right.

So? I know the discussion, I've been having it.

Where's the incriminating evidence against me, because that sure isn't it.

I could not agree more, he is talking out of his *** right now. You are looking more and more irrational with each post orange :rolleyes:

I am not fully on board with the Shanny idea, but I certainly see positives in it. I see LJ having a monster year under Shanny if it happens. I also would not be surprised to see the Chiefs go another direction than QB at #3 if Shanahan become HC with him trying to work some of his Plummer magic on Thigpen(just a thought).

What Plummer magic?

Business-like. When they make a decision, we'll know. Until then, the media can twist in the wind.

I like it too. Go handle your business, Don Pioli.

Plummer was an inaccurate shit-for-brains who made terrible decisions in Arizona and lost more than he won.

In Denver, he was a semi-accurate shit-for-brains who made much better decisions and won more than he lost.

Thigpen is an inaccurate yokel from South Carolina who actually had a decent TD-to-INT ratio last year, but also lost more than he won.

I'd say Shanny would be working with more from a starting point in Thigpen than he was with Plummer. Certainly Thigpen has more talent from a physical standpoint. And he's not a headcase, neither.

Unless he throws left handed and Ryan Sims plays Defensive Tackle.

I believe that would be egg on your face ma'am. Please orange, spin your chicken shit post into chicken salad. You boldly stated it would take $8-9 million for Shanahan to be coaching in KC(less if he gets control). Now you are disputing it? Colorado is great this time of year, calm down orange and go enjoy the mountains before you look more ridiculous than you already do.

That's an insulting low-ball offer for one of the best coaches in the league.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, try and keep up Frankie.

Well the good thing is that we are TRYING to get him and there is a chance....and it's possible they are blowing smoke so it doesn't get out quick. I hope this happens.

I hate my hours. Working through the afternoon/evening has cost me the pleasure of viewing some of the best pure joy/meltdown moments in ChiefsPlanet history.

Obviously, I have my priorities all muddled up.

The way I look at it, Herm is gone, and the only true concern I had was that he would be around for another year... no matter who the new coach ends up being, the ability to watch Donkey torture and meltdown, even if it is only for a day, is too delicious to miss.

Perhaps because he has enough money and wants to coach...wants to do what he's been doing for the last how many ever years...

He'd rather be coaching and making $7M then sitting on his ass and making $7M...

I'd say 5-7...coaches go like hotcakes these days...

Denver Sports

Chief's Coach Firing Leads To Shanahan Speculation
Edwards Fired After Going 6-26 In 2 Years

POSTED: 4:49 pm MST January 23, 2009
UPDATED: 9:22 pm MST January 23, 2009


DENVER -- Kansas City fired Herm Edwards Friday afternoon after three seasons with the Chiefs, setting off another firestorm of Mike Shanahan speculation.

On Thursday, the rumor that Shanahan was the next in line in Kansas City got shot down quickly. But on Friday that rumor got new life within minutes of Edwards' demise.

Now it's a battle of the who's got better contacts inside the NFL.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting the Chiefs and Shanahan are close to a deal.

Adam Shefter with the NFL Network said there have been no negotiations at all between the Chiefs and Shanahan.

Many Denver Broncos fans will shudder at the idea of Shanahan leading the Chiefs. Owner Pat Bowlen wouldn't be too pumped up either -- an opinion he pointed out about a month ago during Shanahan's final press conference.

Edwards Fired

Edwards was the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs during the worst two-year span in team history.

Edwards goes out with a three-year regular-season record of 15-33 and with one year remaining on a four-year, $12 million contract. As head coach of the New York Jets in 2001-05, he had a regular-season mark of 39-41 and was 2-3 in the playoffs.

Edwards had been waiting to learn his fate since president and general manager Carl Peterson abruptly resigned on Dec. 15. When Scott Pioli was introduced as Peterson's successor on Jan. 13, he was noncommittal and said only that he intended to speak with Edwards.

"This was not an easy decision. Herm is an outstanding football coach and a man of integrity. We appreciate his leadership over the past three seasons, and we wish him all the best in the future," Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said in a written statement.

Pioli said he has had several conversations with Edwards over the last week.

"After careful consideration, Clark and I felt that it was best to make a change," Pioli said.

Bob Moore, a spokesman for the team, said the Chiefs didn't have a timeline for replacing Edwards. He said all the assistant coaches still with Kansas City are under contract.

Edwards expressed his gratitude to the Hunt family and said he respected "the tough decision that was made to move in a new direction."

"There is not a more gracious family in all of professional sports than the Hunts," Edwards said in a statement released by the team. "To the players and coaches who worked so hard for our team, I appreciate their efforts."

After Edwards and Peterson launched a full-fledged rebuilding project in 2008, youth and injury led to a 2-14 record and a distressful two-year tally of 6-26 that cost both men their jobs. Particularly embarrassing to Edwards was a defense that managed only 10 sacks this season, gave up a team-record 332 yards rushing in one game and a team-record 54 points in another. Edwards had promised on his first day as head coach to repair the weak defense that characterized the five-year Dick Vermeil regime.

Following a 10-year career as an NFL cornerback, Edwards' first experience with Kansas City came as a training camp assistant in 1989. Seventeen years later, he had the distinction of being the first man to become head coach of the team that brought him into the NFL through the league's minority coaching fellowship program.

In spite of the losses, his players remained loyal to their charismatic coach whose background as a cornerback on Philadelphia's 1980 Super Bowl team gave him a special rapport.

"A coach's main job is to make sure a team is prepared," Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters, one of the Chiefs' few veterans, said shortly before Kansas City ended this season. "There is no doubt that this team has been well prepared every week. Herm and the coaches can't go onto the field and make plays. That's up to the players, and that's just something we haven't done this year. In no way do I think Herm is responsible for our record."

Edwards' most costly mistake may have been overlooking Brodie Croyle's history of injuries and designating him as the foundation quarterback. A third-round pick out of Alabama in 2006, Croyle could never stay healthy and was 0-8 as a starter when he went down for the season with a knee injury.

Edwards' first year in Kansas City was a success. The Chiefs went 9-7 and captured the last wild-card playoff spot. He became only the fifth man to take two different teams to the postseason in his first year as head coach; the Jets went to the playoffs three times in his five seasons there.

He wanted to begin dismantling an aging team and start rebuilding in 2007. But he ran into opposition from a front office that felt there was enough left for another playoff run. After an encouraging 4-3 start, age and ineffectiveness at several key positions created problems and Kansas City ended 2007 on a nine-game losing streak.

With Hunt's blessing, Edwards finally launched his youth movement in 2008 and opened the season at New England with the youngest squad in the league.

He knew it was going to be a difficult chore because of all the youth. But he did not foresee an injury epidemic that robbed him of his two top quarterbacks, made a shambles of the linebacker corps and weakened the defensive line, offensive line and secondary.



Copyright 2009 by TheDenverChannel.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Shit... Rufus Dawes still has a job?

Dude, you're way off base...if he wants to coach the Chiefs, he's not going to get $7.5M...he's not going to do any favors for Bowlen...he'll take a fair salary and the guy that fired him will be on hook for the rest.

Get over it. You're wrong.

No, the best is yet to come.

If Shanahan coaches the Chiefs, the Denver Broncos will no longer be one of his interests...if Bowlen wants to end their friendship because Shanahan took a coaching job for a rival and agreed to a fair coaching salary, then Bowlen is an idiot...he fired him, Mike doesn't owe that guy shit.

Chris Mortinson said the Chiefs have not contacted MS and are looking elsewhere.

He said Clark Hunt is interested in Shanahan.

Oh jesus. Another interfering owner?

Nope. At "worst" an owner, who realized...."oh, sheesh, we gotta interview a black guy before we hire Shanny/Cowher!" Rooney-rule and all, you know.

:rolleyes:

Can I get a rundown of this thread

You're still claiming it's a lock?

Same thing here, he proved to me that he did have it, got to give him credit for that.

EDIT: For me it was the Pioli hiring....and he proved it. Right on the money

As bad as I don't want to admit it, he did, long before anyone else. Only thing I didn't understand was why the didn't let it out. Then I thought, if they let the cat out of the bag on SP, they would never seen a cat again.

Exactly, try and keep up Frankie.[/QUOTE]

WTF?!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...efs/index.html

Shanahan will 'definitely' not coach Chiefs, or anyone else in 2009 Story Highlights
An NFL source close to Mike Shanahan said the fired coach will go to the Chiefs
A report surfaced that Shanahan was in talks to replace Herman Edwards in K.C.
With Shanahan out until 2010, the heat is turned up on coaches like Wade Phillips

By Peter King, SI.com



Despite a report, Mike Shanahan is not in talks to coach the Chiefs in 2009.
AP

Deposed Denver coach Mike Shanahan will "definitely'' not coach the Kansas City Chiefs in 2009 -- nor will he take a coaching job anywhere prior to the 2009 season, an NFL source close to Shanahan said late Friday night. The source said Shanahan was adamant that he was not coaching the Chiefs.

This confirms the NFL Network report by Adam Schefter from Friday evening that Shanahan would not take the Kansas City job, which was a response to an ESPN report that Shanahan and the Chiefs were in talks that could have had him replacing Herman Edwards, who was fired by new general manager Scott Pioli Friday.

The affirmation that Shanahan won't coach anywhere at the start of the 2009 season won't do anything to lessen the heat on coaches in tenuous positions to start next season, like Dallas coach Wade Phillips. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones admires both Shanahan and Mike Holmgren, the former Seattle coach who likely will return to football in 2010 as a coach or general manager or both.

Why did the Shanahan story gain so much momentum late in the week? Shanahan, shortly after he was fired Dec. 30, expressed admiration for Pioli to a friend and said anyone who would take a coaching job this off-season would love to be able to work with Pioli because he was the best personnel man in the business. Shanahan would want a strong personnel man to accompany him in whatever new coaching job he'd take, and Pioli, who was on the verge of firing Edwards, was exactly that man.

But there wasn't a compelling reason for Shanahan to take the Kansas City job. This is a good year for Shanahan to kick back. He's getting paid $7 million from Denver owner Pat Bowlen to not coach. His daughter is getting married this summer. He needs time to re-assemble a coaching staff. In the end, the Kansas City job might have made sense from the standpoint of a team in need with an owner, Clark Hunt, who would spend the money to win and a smart young GM. But it didn't make sense to Shanahan

BFW. This is a report based off Schefter's work. King doesn't know jack doo diddly squat.

Remember it was Mort who reported that a decision would be made on Herm by Friday... not Schefter or King... a report that Mort was ultimately right about.

Jack Harry too

Apparently so was WPI.

Peter King repeating Schefter's report makes me think it's all the more likely that Schefter is wrong.

now i'm really torn


my desire to see shefter and King look like asshats and also the Chiefs getting a quality head coach

vs

my desire to see Goatboy/WPI exposed for the school yard hacks that they really are


meh ..... getting a good coach has is more important. i can always start putting all the WPI fanboys on iggy if needed

But he wouldn't INSIST so forcefully if he was not sure. It's a matter of credibility and possibly even his job.

I would just like to clarify that WPI did NOT report that a decision was coming on Shanahan.

The denials are too strong though. I'm not convinced that there is no possibility of it now.

Exactly.


And when it all comes out, I'm thinking both sides are going to be vindicated to some degree.

I'd bet anything that Shanahan has at least SPOKEN to the Chiefs at some point in the past 2 weeks. There's been way too much smoke over that time period for there not to be some truth to it.

Schefter is saying there has been NO contact.

However, Mort did say that they were nearing a deal, and I think that's bullshit.

Regardless, at this point, there won't be any news for over a week.

For the sake of transparency, why don't you recount the official WPI position on the HC situation?

Clay,

Can you link me to your article/post that summarizes your thoughts: Why Mike Shanahan is the right coach to lead this team.

TIA

http://kan.scout.com/2/827395.html

I can't really post that here.

thank you

Well you did ignore (or didn't see) my last request for your definite position on the Shanahan hiring. What can you tell us that we can verify when this is all over?

There's no real news that has come out in the last 24 hours. What you all know now - what ESPN reported - is what I've known for weeks now. That the Chiefs were targeting Shanahan and have had contact with him.

My PERSONAL position, which has nothing to do with WPI, is that it's going to happen. That's just my take.

Fair enough. So it's just a gut feeling based on this info that you had, or do you know something that we don't know?

Some more news has come out on the Shanahan deal (I suspect it too will come out eventually), but nothing that I'm basing my personal opinion of the situation off of. It's completely based on the last three weeks and yesterday's firestorm.

LOL. Your not helping me much here. I live in Denver. Can I start heckling these pillowbiters yet, or do I need to keep my trap shut?

WTF? It changes f@gs to pillowbiters? Is this now PC planet?

I wouldn't go overboard.

I can't believe you all are still trying to make this fly.

To make what fly?

Three weeks ago we leaked the news that Shanahan and the Chiefs had third-party contact and he was interested in the job.

Most of you ignored it. Apparently it had merit. Personally I never doubted it was true.

Anyway, this isn't about me. But I do feel like a million bucks. :D

http://i42.tinypic.com/122nu9z.gif

You've never doubted one rumor Nick has fed you.

The after the fact bullshit you try to pass off as journalism.

If you really had any info, then you were stupid to not be screaming it from the rooftops.

I just find it comical that you come on here nearly everytime AFTER something breaks, claiming that you knew all along.

Clayton has sent me PM's on several occasions leaking news before it's put out on WPI's private page, and he did the same in this case.

He told me almost 3 weeks ago exactly what he just told you - that Shanahan and the Chiefs had been in contact via a 3rd party - and that Shanahan initiated that contact.

He also absolutely nailed the LJ situation weeks before the rest of the media got a hold of it, from his drinking problem, to the altercation he was in, to the fact that he was late for the flight to Charlotte.

I wouldn't call that after the fact.

If he has people on another site paying for this information when it happens, why would he tell the people of CP for free?

To you, it's always going to be after the fact, because you're getting the info AFTER the people who paid for it.

Regardless, I can tell you that he was dead on concerning the LJ situation, and the Pioli hire, and informed me well in advance. Time may or may not tell regarding Shanahan, because it may never be confirmed to another outlet that they spoke.

You trying to get him fired?

Nope.

If I was trying to get him fired, I'd be blabbing to you guys right after he PM's me.

The guy catches a lot of shit around here, some of it deserved.

But in this case, he's getting a raw deal.