This isnt the most talent team in MU history, Norm did less with more... Anderson is taking this team deep, color me impressed.

I can see "if" Anderson stays, gets recruits that he could put a FF team on the court in the next 5 years...

Its hurts to say it, but its true....

LMAO Aww, the trolling little bundle of sticks doesn't like me. Whatever will I do?

:shrug:

I dont understand? was that a back handed comment or something?

No not fans just frazod. And your starting.

ROFL

Sure.

Ask your buddy Hamas. Kill Yourself.

You're talking crazy, DCS.

MU is going to be as successful out-recruiting KU in basketball as they are out-recruiting USC in football.

Doesn't mean that MU can't have consistently strong programs in both sports and even steal the occasional recruit or two. But they're not going to become one of the 5 or so traditional powers.

So, why are you in here? You certainly cannot say frazod started it.

I was just jabbing a little and you ****ers went postal on me.

And, yet, here you still are.

Postal? Now you are being dramatic. We were just calling a douchebag a douchebag. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Advice you should take yourself. I absolutely guarantee that nobody of any importance will miss you.

Has anyone been over to the Marquette scout board?? Unbelievable. A bunch of pathetic sore losers.

Now if you technically told someone to kill themself and they did...would you be arrested like that bitch that harrassed the girl on myspace that killed herself?

If a hand check foul hadn't allowed them to tie the game, they'd have a more legit complaint about calling stepping over the end line.

Yeah, it was a chickenshit call. Too bad they benefited from one just seconds before. Shit works both ways.

LMAO You are such a ****ing idiot.

I'm not a basketball guy. I haven't talked a bit of smack towards any KU fan in any KU thread, nor did I say anything negative about them today. And besides, your assholishness and idiocy have little to do with a bunch of kids playing basketball.

Banyon and I are already preparing the necessary documents. You weren't supposed to spill the beans.

I'm willing to risk it. :evil:

They're probably taking on the mentality of their coach. That dude was pissed. I'm surprised they didn't give him a technical. I'm shocked he even shook anyone's hand after the game. He barely did.

ROFL

You are the debbil:evil:

The Joker Mojo keeps on rolling! :thumb:

Thanks Luv for replying to my question?

hell yes!!:D

Sorry. You're not the one ating reeruned. You guys (in general) just get so up in arms about what frazod says or thinks. I just thought it was funny that he could still get under AH's skin, when he doesn't even watch basketball.

Oh, and yes.

Looks like I had a legit concern when I posted this at halftime. We had a nice lead, let them back in, barely pulled out the W.

The funny thing is, I get along with almost all of them.

I was being sincere...

I just got here and I see there are 580ish posts. Let me guess what so many posts are about....we cheated...refs gave it to us...substituting a 68% FT shooter for a 75% FT shooter was classless...his foot wasn't over the line..., etc, etc. Am I right?

Congrats to Mizzou. In a tourney where 75% of the field is cut the first weekend, the Big 12 rolls 3 of 6 into the Sweet 16. Better than average.

Pretty much, and a few KU fans miffed that we actually won.

I hate giving anything KU credit, but Self is arguably the best recruiter in the nation.

I don't think MU will ever be pulling 'better' recruits than KU. KU will always be able to get the guys that are ranked higher by scout, more McD's All-Americans, more Rivals top 100's, especially when they have Self making the pitch.

The key will be for Anderson to get guys that turn out as good or better. He'll need to coach them up more and simply unearth more 'finds' than KU. Think of what Pinkel's done for the football team, finding some underrated players like Moore, Weatherspoon and Daniel. That's what Anderson will have to do. He'll need to find kids that fit his system that have been underrated and thus underrecruited.

English is a prime example. He's a guy that recieved pretty mediocre scouting grades and consequently wasn't chased by the KUs and Dukes of the world. He'll need to end up challenging for all-Big XII honors by his Jr and Sr years, and he'll need to have guys like that right behind him in the pipe, if MU hopes to consistently challenge as a national power.

It's a tall chore, we'll see if Anderson's up to it.

Yeah I didn't really see what the crowd was whining about. JT Tiller was a better shooter than the guy they put in, English if my memory serves correct. That would be like subbing Sherron Collins and putting in Tyshawn Taylor to shoot free throws.

That crossing the inbound line call was dumb though. It wouldn't have changed the game I don't think, but it could of. That is a no call in the final minutes, especially when it's something minor. Hell, that is always a no call. You know how many times I've seen any of KU guys do that, or teams that run after a made shot ie Carolina do that? All the time. It's NEVER called.

More than that...English is a freshman who hadn't shot a FT all game. Tiller was 4-6 from the line.

If you would allow me to answer...

On this one, Anderson may get a few, but I think Self has several advantages when it comes to landing the top talent.

-School Tradition is big IMO when it comes to atracting talent. Missouri has been good for many years (minus the Quin years) but as much as I hate kansas, I have to admit they have been among the elite numerous times throughout the years tradition-wise

-I also think that top talent wants minutes and stats. Our best player plays less than 2/3 of the game. In Anderson's system, it seems that there are no real stars, it's a team. IMO top talent won't get the minutes that many want to play.

-And, no matter how good the player is, if he opts for MU over KU, according to KU fans, the player really wasn't up to the level of all the hype he got anyway.:p


However, I don't think Anderson really needs top shelf talent with his system. I think he'd rather have 8-10 really good players than one or two top talent players and a bench that contains a lot of scrubs.

That'll work too.

Must be nice to have the Roy Williams Legacy coming in to a new job as the Coach at KU.

I'm pretty high on Mike Anderson right now, but Norm put this team on the map. You have got to consider what Norm did for this program. MU was mediocre to bad for many years - for most of their history in fact. Norm came in and turned things around. He put together a consistent winner and built a program that could lure upper level talent. Norm's two faults that I could see were his conservative play that led to loses in the big dance and he usually had a down year or two every 3-4 years - almost like they didn't work as hard at recruiting when they had talent.

That said, today Anderson got his 30th W - something Norm never did. IMO from this day forward, Anderson walks in his own shoes, Norm's are put away for good. But, before I say Anderson is WAY better than Norm, Anderson needs to put a bunch of winning seasons together at MU and take MU to and keep them at a higher level of success than Norm ever did.


I'm just SOOOO thankful that Anderson has turned out to be one that we compare to Norm and not one we compare with Quin.

Self is the top coach in the country, no question.

Outside of the top 5 (UNC, KU, UCLA, etc.), I'd say a great model that all other programs should aspire to would be Memphis. This is a program driven by having a top-tier coach. When JP leaves, I'm guessing they will regress substantially.

And the Brown legacy, and the Manning legacy, and the Wilt legacy, and the Phog legacy.

Seriously, this isn't the argument that MU fans want to have...

Meh. Just win.

And they should.

MU is one of the few universities that should be highly competitive in both of the major sports: football and basketball. Year in and year out, they have the facilities and the financial backing that they *should* field top 25 programs consistently.

Not many can say this about BOTH sports.

KU would like to make a claim for this with football, but I don't see this as realistic.

Pinkel needs to turn a corner though, he's got a LOT of work to do before MU can start branching out beyond the 12.

As far as basketball goes, I'm content with screwing up KU's seed if nothing else during the lean seasons.

Then why has MU been consistently lacking in both sports for 50+ years? They have never been close to winning anything.

With all the changes that took place this offseason, the next 2 seasons will tell us what kind of HC Pinkel really is. Losing several key players, and assistants will make things intersting for him and the football program.

I look forward to an interesting season. Of course, I look forward to football regardless.

Are you in Oklahoma?

Yep. Football is HUGE out here.

This is a good honest post. From a very good poster. I saw on another thread that DCS thinks MU will start stealing KU's BB recruits soon. That ignorance gets old fast.

Not talking about winning anything, necessarily. I'm talking about consistently being top 25 in both sports.

For as long as I can remember, MU has long been referred to as a "sleeping giant" because they have the financial wherewithal to make this happen. Not all universities do.

It could be that this potential is starting to be realized...

Oh believe me I know. That team in your sig is the rival of the town I spent( give or take )the first 15 years of my life in.

Indeed. It was the most ****ed up officiating I have seen.

I was asking a question. I don't spend my life cranking it over college basketball, so I needed some insight as to how certain things work.

Agreed. That's how Bill Snyder turned K-State into a football power. DCS suggests Anderson will start stealing Self's recruits. What a dunce he is.

The officiating was pretty one sided. Up until the last minute of the game, Marquette had 33 FT attempts and Mizzou had 16 yet all you could hear at the end of the game was a bunch of booing by Marquette fans because the 35 second shot clock rule was enforced and the refs caught their guy stepping on the inbounds line with the ball.

It's funny. Football threads turn into basketball threads, and now basketball threads turn into football threads.

I don't know shit about satellite dishes either crank-ass, but feel free to use your ****ing Harvard PHD in trailer trash to hip me to the nuances!

And the refs did call MU for a bullshit foul there late as well. They tried to get Marquette back in it but they actually missed one of their FT's.

Having said that, there were multiple non-calls on Marquette, like when Lawrence was under the basket and went up for the shot and 2 guys from Marquette mugged him and the ball went out of bounds and they called it to Marquette. A couple obvious travels were not called, a non-call on a charge, and then the quickess in which the whistle blew against MU. Aside from the foul on what should have been a jump ball, there was a break away where the Marquetee guy tripped over his own feet and they called us for a foul cause he slid, the whistle blew before he left his feet and yet it was a shooting foul. Complete bullshit.

I am not sure what the over\under or the line was on the game but it sure looked like the refs had an interest. And we know for a fact refs have had a vested interest in the past and this was the perfect type of game to try an pass that shit off.

As that fat UNLV coach once said "Recruiting BB recruits to KU is like recruiting drunks to a New Years Eve Party"

This is the bullshit that gets old, though. The refs sucked shit. Just stop there. They weren't trying to "get Marq back into" anything.

The line was Mizzou -4. I'm sure Marq fans are arguing the exact same thing, that calls happened at the end so that Mizzou would cover.

You can say that all you want, but I think the majority of those on here who watched the game would agree with me on this game.

No.

Most truly top level recruits do not want to play the kind of basketball that Anderson preaches. They don't want to play in a motion offense. They want to slackass on defense, get fed the ball every possession, isolate and drive, or shoot jumpers.

Think about Nolan Richardson's Arkansas teams. Who was the best player to ever come from there? Todd Day? Corliss Williamson? Oliver Miller's fatass? None of those guys were transcendental athletes by any stretch of the imagination.

Missouri will never out-recruit Self at KU. We'll never even have the level of talent that we had with Quin's first few classes, or Norm's better ones. But we will have teams that play much better as a team.

That the refs sucked total balls? Absolutely.

But saying that they were purposely trying to alter the outcome of the game *for another team* calls for the tin hats.

You didn't address my point about the line (-4). This obviates your assertion.

Exactly right. In the first half Carroll obviously pushed a Marquette player in the back to prevent a layup. Nothing was called and the MU fans didn't mention it. But the announcers did. The refs don't see every foul. Bad calls go both ways but they are rarely the reason you pissed away a 16 point lead. Good teams overcome bad calls.

I remember that play now that you mention it. Good example.

Calipari is the best coach in the country, IMO, followed quickly by Pitino.

Your had no point about the line. And you can say whatever you wish about my speculation. Based on the lopsidedness of the calls, particularly after MU jumped out to a lead would make one question. I never said they DID try to alter the outcome. I said it sure smelled like it and refs have done it in the past.

Actually I think several of us, myself included said Carroll was lucky he didn't get called.

No point? Yeah, stepping over the the line on the inbounds play gave Mizzou a chance to cover.

Yes we did mention it. Nice try, Skippy.

Dude it was so obvious they had to call it. Forget it man....thnk or say what you wish. I will just say that it was more obvious than a bunch of the fouls called on MU in the 2nd half.

While the game was happening. Great. Big ****ing deal.

The refs sucked shit today, dude. Quit pulling the victim card.

If Mizzou decided to D up and box out in the second half, the game wouldn't have been nearly as close.

That's a typical no call.

Same as the hand check on Tiller.

It works both ways. The refs ****ing sucked for both teams.

I'm just happy that the refs actually saw Hayward step on the inbounds line before he made that pass. With all the fluke bad endings this school has seen(5th down, deflections, etc.), I could just see that Marquette player driving down court and knocking down a 3 pointer off the backboard to beat us had that ref not made the right call with 5 seconds left.

Agreed...but I am (and I think this is what you are also saying) absolutely sold on watching this type of basketball. Mike Anderson has them playing as a team and thinking less about their own stats and more about team goals.

If we have several successful seasons like this with an eventual NC, I'll take all the "unwanted" recruits like these anytime.

mmaddog
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You are one of few good sports I have met among MU fans. That game thread is an embarrassment to all of the Big XII. I'm sure not all Mizzou fans are that petty. You prove it. Rep

I wouldn't put Pitino in the same class.

I'd listen to arguments for Calipari. But Self does everything you want: recruit, X & O, and get effort. Plus he's young.

This describes Cal, too, so it's a good debate.

This...more than anything.

mmaddog
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I agree about the D. But kiss the fattest part of my ass on the crap about it being "during the game". You agreed with Skip that no MU fans said anything about it and we did. Now you tried to change your tune some.

So basically, KU will have first shot at "Aaron Curry", while Anderson( Pioli )bypasses the glamor boys and mines more "middle round talent" that can be coached and developed in to players that can have just as much, if not more impact.

Got it, and I like it.