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Brady has never been any more or any less clutch than Manning in the postseason. |
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He has a bit to go before I will even acknowledge he is close to Brady in terms of better overall QB. |
and I still think the Chargers picked the right QB when they didn't resign Brees and kept Rivers...
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and I still think Eli > Rivers...even though that has gotten a lot closer than I ever expected it to be...and Eli is probably one bad year away from me changing my opinion in that regard...
and I don't think either is really that far behind Roethlisberger...if they are behind at all. That class was pretty money looking back at it... |
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Keep dreamin, but Manning is no longer the top TIM-MAY!. Plus the fact that Brees is 5 inches shorter than Manning AND he is better is hilarious. |
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Alright I am done discussing this with you. I don't think your a human.
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I'd accuse you of sophistry if you knew what it was, but the reality is this: you're hypocrite who doubles as a dumb mother****er who thinks that because he shouts the most his opinion matters most. |
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Peyton Manning has better postseason numbers than Tom Brady and they've both lost games for their teams in dramatic fashions and have won games for their teams where they were lights out. Tom Brady was only a primary factor in one of their Super Bowl wins (Carolina)... For every season ending pick thrown by Manning, I can match it with Brady... Tom Brady has only won one Super Bowl where his team wasn't the overwhelming favorite to win...and when he was (like Manning this year), his team lost in the Super Bowl and scored a season low number of points. The fact people think Brady is so clutch is hilarious. And false. |
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I'm just going to keep posting this, so Hootie can continue to dodge it. |
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You just lost all credibility buddy.. |
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If Joe Montana was a Saint his entire career... Would he have been 4-0 in the Super Bowl? Would he have played in a Super Bowl? |
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no...
you're just all fanboys that don't realize Tom Brady being clutch is a total, complete myth. quick name the last time he was clutch ... |
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Do you hear what you're saying (typing)? |
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Peyton Manning has lost 7 games in the playoffs while being favored to win. Peyton Manning is 9-9 career in the Playoffs. Tom Brady is 14-4. Tom Brady has beaten Donovan McNabb, Peyton Manning twice, Phil Rivers twice, Kurt Warner, a prime Steve McNair, and Rich Gannon in the playoffs. Manning beat Brady once. In the one Super Bowl Brady lost, he drove his team the length of the field and scored a TD with 3 minutes left. In the one Super bowl Manning lost, he drove his team to the twenty and threw a game ending pick 6 with 3 minutes left. |
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and you're bashing him for a '99 loss where he turned a 3-13 team coming off his rookie season where he turned it around to 13-3 before losing to a BETTER Titans team... I mean come the **** on...everyone knew they were overachievers that year...they lost 19-16...nice reference. AND The only time Peyton has played bad in the postseason was 2003 and 2004 at Foxborro against a better AND heavily favored Patriots team... And both games the Patriots DEFENSE won that game...as much as Peyton lost it...AND Brady didn't do anything but manage those games...he was nothing special... The Patriots D on the other hand... Such a ****ing joke that Brady gets all the credit. |
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LMAO @ the Epic Failure which IS Hootie!
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and the fact they scored a season low number of points? How convenient. |
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And, offensively, the Colts were inefficient after the 1st. |
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Tom Brady was 3-0 in his first three games and did absolutely nothing but manage the games decently and he benefited from unbelievable defensive play, clutch kicking never before witnessed in that Oakland game (and the Super Bowl), and a different QB even winning the AFC Championship game in the first place!
Oh man how legendary! He won games with a coach that cheated so badly the NFL had to destroy the evidence to protect the game's integrity! Oh man! That Tom Brady... The same guy with lesser postseason stats than Peyton Manning but a beneficiary of having a coach with guts (and an all-time great coach at that) and a superior team his entire career! Wow! |
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I also seem to remember anointing Peyton's feet with oil after beating Denver and then putting up 3 points in the next round of the playoffs, and then bitching to get the rules of the NFL changed. I also seem to remember Peyton Manning carving up G-Rob's defense then throwing 3 picks to Ty Law. I also seem to remember that the Colts were not an underdog against the 2004 Patriots. In fact, the spread was a pick 'em, which meant that people thought Indianapolis was better, given that the home team gets 3 points. You are getting eviscerated here. |
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Two drives in the 2nd quarter... The first one ended with a Pierre Garcon momentum killing, game-changing drop on a beautiful 3rd down pass by Manning (that not many other guys could do)... The second series they were pinned at their own 2... Wow, how inefficient! The third quarter I believe they had one and a half drives that resulted in a TD and an end of the quarter change... Which then resulted in a missed field goal in the 4th quarter... Which then led to a drive where Manning drove all the way down the field and then threw a pick... But somehow they were losing... They punted twice... Both times in the 2nd quarter... One because Garcon n00bed himself...the other because they were pinned inside the 2 and were trying to take the game to halftime (stupidly enough)... I'm telling you.. If Garcon doesn't drop that pass...that game was over. And I don't care about the Colston drop because it's an entirely different scenario and it happened BEFORE the Garcon drop... Sure...if Colston catches that pass and the Saints go up 7-3...the entire game would have been different, I know. Just like had Garcon caught that ball when the Colts had the momentum...13-0 or even 17-0...different game. For sure. |
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I think I can match it, maybe beat it...with Brady. |
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And not that it matters, but just to point out that you are literally wrong about everything, he took one sack. |
The fact is...
The Colts were outplayed and outcoached. The Saints defense came up with the one big play of the game...the coaching staff showed major balls and gained an extra possession for the team with an onside kick...and they outsmarted EVERYONE when they went for it on 4th and Goal because it shelled up the Colts offense and made them do something they simply aren't good at... That's how you win games in the NFL. |
Manning lost another big game.
I don't know what that means I'm just basking in the glow of teh schadenfreude goodness... |
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Captain clutch did get -10 yards on that drive though... Not bad for being so clutch. |
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Its really humorous the lengths you go to to defend this guy. |
The fact of the Super Bowl is...
Peyton Manning did everything he could do on every possession he got until he threw that pick when they were magically down by 7 despite him playing lights out and making great pass after great pass for the entire game... They were outcoached...and then they had to play catch up...if that game was tied he wouldn't have had to play hurry up and the pick wouldn't have happened... |
Season ending picks by Manning in the playoffs:
Patriots *2 Saints Brady threw one, the AFC Championship game. The pick he threw against Denver was not insurmountable. Nor was it a correct call, as Bailey fumbled the ball out of the end zone. |
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he threw it off of his back foot with three guys in his face... I seriously think a lot of people don't even watch the ****ing games. No... If Colston catches that ball...things are different, sure... but that happened before this drop so it's ****ing irrelevant... does that make sense? Jesus CHRIST. Yeah...we could argue that that drop killed their chances right away had the Colts gone up 17-0 if Garcon catches that ball.. For sure. You could say... "Man that Colston drop really put the Saints in a spot right away where they just couldn't get back in that game!" And I'd say you were probably on to something. |
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he couldve thrown a pick 6. |
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going to the gym...keep up the ludicrous statements about how Brady is better or more clutch than Manning even though he's probably not even the 2nd best QB in the game anymore.
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Or when he he almost threw a pick six to Jenkins at mid field on the drive that he ended...with a pick 6. God knows you have to play hurry up with 6 minutes left, all your timeouts, a 7 point deficit, and a running game that is averaging over 5 yards per carry. In fact, there's really no other comparison to the kind of stress needed to score in 6 minutes with 4 stoppages of the clock and an efficient running game working for you. Now, with that said, when you get the ball with 29 seconds left and need to get 50 yards to be in field goal range...that's a perfectly acceptable situation for which to criticize a quarterback. As long as he's not Peyton Manning. |
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here's one to chew on before I leave...
what is the biggest postseason deficit Brady has led his team back from? |
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All hootie has is the afc championship game where peyton dinked and dunked his way into a comeback.
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How many yards? And, most importantly, how many points? |
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Here's another one to chew on: How many 4th quarter game winning drives does Peyton Manning have in the playoffs? 1 How many 4th quarter or later drives does Tom Brady have in the Super Bowl alone? 2 |
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Plus, if Reche Caldwell has hands, or Troy Brown doesn't run the wrong route (since we'll excuse Manning for Clark running the wrong route in SB XLI), New England wins that game anyway and Manning still doesn't have a SB. The what if game is fun. |
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Lol hes trying his HARDEST to hold onto that game. |
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Hootie needs to just http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5872/itried.gif right now. |
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That is why Montana is the greatest ever. Manning couldn't do that. Elway could well, Broncos had some shitty teams that he made great. Manning is a hell of player best in today's game, great fantasy QB as well but he is not the greatest QB of time. |
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JFC At least I'm real about things. |
What is the record for post-season games LOST?
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Marino has 10. |
What's McNabb post season record?
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That might be close... |
McNabb isn't even close. He only has 7.
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Manning has the best chance to break it. McNabb is 9-7 in the postseason. |
McNabb is probably the biggest playoff choker of them all...having him as your QB must be a sad experience.
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Peyton will probably break it though. I am pretty Favre holds the record. I can't think of anybody else. |
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In that year alone, Montana... 1. Made a clutch throw on 4th and 10 at San Diego. The Chiefs were down 14-10. They won 17-14. 2. Led the Chiefs back from 17-0 at home against San Diego. They won 28-24. 3. Made a clutch throw on 4th and Goal at home against Pittsburgh in the Wildcard. They won 27-24 (OT). 4. Defeated the "invincible" Oilers and the 46 in the 2nd Half with 3 TD passes. The Chiefs were down 10-0 at the half. They won 28-20. I was 8, as well, but I still remember it. That season is the reason why I am a Chiefs fan to this day. Just because you didn't follow football at such a young age, doesn't mean the rest of us didn't. Even if you do not remember, there is this thing called "NFL Films." Manning is a false god. Montana will always be better than him. |
So, in reading through this thread, there's two truths, according to Hootie and mecca.
All good decisons on offense for the Colt's are too Manning's credit. All poor decisions are the coaching staff's fault. When Peyton Manning uses the short passing game to keep the Colts offense moving againt the Jets in the AFC Championship, he's being smart. When Drew Brees uses it to take advantage of what the Colts were doing on defense, it's "dinking and dunking" What a couple of whiney two faced bitches. |
when did Manning "dink and dunk" in the AFC Championship game?
He made several down field throws to Garcon and Collie that were right on the money. Name one tough throw Brees had to make in the Super Bowl. GO! |
Well he certainly didnt keep quick slanting all day
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