Right but that's not the point.

These two guys are claiming that the Patriots never saw Brady as a starter because Bledsoe signed a "10 year, $103 million dollar contract", even though those numbers are arbitrary.

After Brady won the SB. Surely you aren't that stupid.

As far as the quotes about Brady, it was in his second year. They gave Bledsoe the money after Brady was drafted so get your ****ing time line straight.

According to Dane they drafted him expecting him to start by year 3 but give Bledsoe a huge contract a year later in 2001. That doesn't ****ing add up.

Keep your stupid asinine argument going.

What?

Again, why don't you do yourself a favor and read the book?

Apparently, you think you know something that you don't.

Do you not understand $101 Million?

First off, it wasn't a "HUGE" contract. Otherwise, he'd have been untradeable, right?

Like LJ? Like Alex Smith? Like so many other highly paid players, right?

Wrong.

It was smoke and mirrors. And the Patriots definitely had a plan for Brady.

Whether you know it or not.

Okay, explain it to me, genius.

This should be good.

so the book says Brady was so impressive that he beat out Damon Huard for the number 2 as a rookie....and this means he was expected to start in his third year?... All that POS book is doing is making an attempt to build up Brady's legend.

Looks like trading Bledsoe was no more of a cap hit for the Patriots than if he was actually on the roster in 2002.

http://www.cbssports.com/b/page/pres...585362,00.html

Interestingly enough, they got a 1st rounder for Bledsoe from Buffalo.

By the way which made him the highest paid player in NFL history. Yea they figured Brady would be stepping in in 2 years.

You lost the ****ing argument yet you will continue to argue.

That's why you are a douche bag.

Yeah, pure speculation from a guy that was embedded inside the franchise for 3 years writing this book.

LOL Rich Eisen(sp?) just refered to Sanchez as The Sanchise LMAO

PhilFree:arrow:

See my last post dumbass.

You might want to read the post above yours.

Not this shit again

They are way better run than the Raiders and Redskins to name two. Oh yea, forgot the Browns and the Bengals. And the Lions.

Quite the opposite. You don't have to read a book to know you are qwrong on this.

Again I ask, does it address why they gave $101 Million contract to Bledsoe a year after drafting Brady and claim Brady would be starting by week 3?

LMAO

His cap hit was $6 million.

NOT $103 miilion.

Read OTWP's post.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=568

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=554

You are really a ****ing fool.

If you'd read the article I posted from Jay Glazer, you'd have your answer.

The "extension" was extremely Patriot-friendly, in the event they needed to, or wanted to trade him.

Drew Bledsoe was NEVER going to see anywhere near $103M.

Dummy, it wasn't a $103 million dollar contract.

Real contract numbers reveal it was $6 million per year and they only paid that for ONE YEAR.

Again, do you understand NFL contracts?

At ALL?

The Redskins are an entirely different kind of frustrating.

Complete cluster**** but with an owner who throws around enough cash to create a sense of false hope. Meanwhile, we've been less of an outward circus, yet far more frugal, with embarrassingly poor results in our immediate history.

6 or half dozen...

I gave up on that a long time ago. All he does is hurl insults.

He's rather accuse me of being stupid and uninformed than admit that he's incorrect, doesn't know the Patriots history nor does he understand NFL contracts.

Really?

So, I'd like you to point out where I've been "wrong" in this thread.

I'm waiting.

He's not wrong about this one.

The extension was in place, which actually provided more options for the team, not less.

I've done it before, and I'd do it again, if he were actually wrong in this case.

However, he's not.

Did the patriots not take a risk on Brady by trading Bledsoe? They gave him the keys to the franchise after he proved his "career backup" type ass was worth a shit... If Cassel gets hurt... and Brodie leads this team to the Super Bowl and goes on to a HOF career with the chiefs... that doesn't change that fact that Brodie was considered a career backup

Where'd "Marcellus" go?

Faced with facts, he disappears.

How quaint.

The Patriots didn't consider him to be a career backup.

And furthermore, their risk was minimal after Brady's performance in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

Especially the game winning drive.

You have given opinions. That you got from a book. That doesn't make them wrong, but it doesn't make them right either. It still just makes them opinions.

And I was speaking in general terms. When people disagree with you you sling insults and neg rep. I have some of those to prove it.

Brodie? A career backup?

He was essentially the ship that sank Herm, who, very foolishly, tied himself to Croyle's broke-ass body.

SB I: Bart Starr; 17th round
SB II: Bart Starr; 17th round
SBIII: Joe Namath; 1st round
SBIV: Len Dawson; 1st round
SBV: Johnny Unitas; 9th round
SBVI: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBVII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBVIII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBIX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXI: Ken Stabler; 2nd round
SBXII: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBXIII: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXIV: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXV: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
SBXVI: Joe Montana; 3rd round
SBXVII: Joe Theismann; 4th round
XVIII: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
XIX: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XX: Jim McMahon; 1st round
XXI: Phil Simms; 1st round
XXII: Doug Williams; 1st round
XXIII: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXIV: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXV: Jeff Hostetler; 3rd round
XXVI: Mark Rypien; 6th round
XXVII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXVIII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXIX: Steve Young; 1st round
XXX: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXXI: Brett Favre; 2nd round
XXXII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIV: Kurt Warner; Undrafted
XXXV: Trent Dilfer; 1st round
XXXVI: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXVII: Brad Johnson; 9th round
XXXVIII: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXIX: Tom Brady; 6th round
XL: Ben Rothlisberger; 1st round
XLI: Peyton Manning; 1st round
XLII: Eli Manning; 1st round

So, in theory, no, no 7th round quarterback has won the Super Bowl. However, we've got a 17th rounder, a 10th rounder, a couple of 9th rounders, some 6th rounders, and even one that was completely undrafted.

I don't think that the round that a QB was picked is at all indicative of their capabilities, desire, maturity, etc., which elevates them to Super Bowl level.

Sure, you know that there are some good ones in round one. But there are also just as many that go complete busto. Maybe more actually.

So, basically, I think that you trying to say that just because Cassel was a 7th round pick and because of that singularly, he'll never win a Super Bowl is total bull.

I can't believe anyone could think Bledsoe got all 103 Million dollars of that deal. He probably thinks Haynesworth will see all 100 million of his contract to

I will not argue that the contract worked out in the end because Brady worked out but why give him that contract if you know Brady is going to be the guy?

According to the article big bonuses kicked in in year 2 of the contract a year before it was stated Brady was going to be the guy. Fortunately Bledsoe got hurt early.

It was smart ****ing work as far as contracts go but to say it was all done knowing Brady was going to be the man is pure hindsight BS.

What happened was Bledsoe got hurt, Brady won games and they realized they were sitting pretty.

The "opinions" from the book represent the work of investigative journalism. Is it argumentative, yes, but it's a researched, thorough source.

Not like someone is simply tossing shit against the wall...

WHAT?

The writer was EMBEDDED in the Patriots for 3 years.

Dude, you're saying that the guy that wrote that book, who was embedded inside the franchise for 3 years is making this shit up?

Your hatred for Dane is making you flush all common sense.

when exactly were they gonna put him in the starting lineup then?

I don't give a shit. Of course he's gonna say those things about Brady, though.

Theres alot of pages to read whats the argument here? since Cassel is a 7th round pick he wont win a super bowl?

Hey Dude,

I'm no Patriots fan. I'M not the person making the claims. It was written by an investigative reporter. I just paraphrased.

But for FFS, it's ridiculous for you to make allegations when they're totally and completely uninformed.

It makes you look like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing and paints you as petty and foolish.

You're reaching, and badly.

As pointed out earlier, BB thought Brady was better than Bledsoe before the season ever started. Don't think for a second that didn't play into the flexibility in the extension.

Hell, it could be argued that it was an extension in name only, as the numbers prove he wasn't tied to the Patriots long-term.

Oh. Oh. We knew along how good Brady was...look how good we are at our jobs

I've said this before: If you're truly interested, READ THE BOOK.

Your questions are argumentative and do not appear to have any other motivation other than to try to dispute my posts, which they will not.

It's not completely out of the realm of possibility, however. Evidence A: Fab Five.

Mother**** what a load of ****ing shit.

But, exceptions certainly don't prove a rule.

No. The current discussion is over whether or not Tom Brady was considered to be a "career backup" before Bledsoe was traded.

Roger Staubach was drafted so late because of his Naval commitment, and the Cowboys were able, at that time, to retain his rights until his 4 years were completed.

Bart Starr fell to the 17th round because he missed senior season to injury.

Those two picks kind of skew those numbers.

Right now the argument is whether or Not Brady can be lumped in with the likes of Hasselbeck, Warner, Green, Gannon, Brooks, Brunell, Mitchell, Cassel, Delhomme, etc. who were guys that were once considered career backups and who eventually got opportunities to lead a franchise

I love when Chiefs fans act like experts on Patriots history.

Brady was drafted because they knew, although Bledsoe was getting the big contract, that someday they would need a decent replacement in case he was hurt. At the time all they had was John Friez and Michael Bishop. Brady, with the recommendation of the qb coach, was chosen. They didn't say to themselves "Hey, he's a career backup". In fact they thought so much of him they kept 4 QBs on the roster. By the time training camp 2001 came around he had worked and improved so much he went from #4 to #2 on the depth chart. They were very confident if the 100 Million dollar man went down that Brady could do the job. Nobody ever thought "but he's a career backup"
Damon Huard was a career backup.
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No, that's your argument, and it's a ****ing reeruned one.

Seriously are the ****ing patriots going to admit how lucky they were?

The way I look at it was Brady was an unknown player til Bledsoe got hurt however the coaches must have thought something of Brady to make him the #2 Qb.

Well...you and Dane have given us one whole contribution to the discussion combined...

You begin with an inflammatory statement.

And then follow with a paragraph that contains details that have already been discussed in the thread, so, what's the point?

No I think the fact they gave Bledsoe the biggest contract ever the year after they drafted Brady is argument in itself even of he didn't get to stay in NE to earn the money.

He was paid a shitload of it in Dallas.

This is THE biggest misconception about those of us who have been grouped:

That we're all trapped in a small room together, drinking Red Bull and furiously disputing everything and everyone on Chiefsplanet, while holding hands and listening to Yanni.

I've been wrong in the past. I'll admit when I'm wrong. It's been pointed out by Hamas, CC, Milk, OTWP and others. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong because I'm WRONG.

But, I will not admit I'm wrong when I'm not.

Forgive me for taking the word of a respected journalist and author, who spent 3 years inside the walls at Gillette Stadium, over, well....

You.

Its ok Dane looks like I was wrong about Mike Brown & Glenn Dorsey.

How many qb's picked in the first round turned out to be total busts. A ton more than ones that won a Super Bowl. Just because you draft someone in the first round doesnt mean he should have been. See Mark Intercepchez.
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So, you're claiming that a heavily backloaded contract, that basically have the Patriots MORE options, as opposed to fewer, helps your argument?

Holy Christ.

DUDE!

I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME: Do YOU understand NFL contracts?

Apparently, you don't: THEY'RE BOGUS.

This is NOT the MLB or the NBA where contract numbers are REAL and are guaranteed.

It's all P.R. in the NFL.

Give me a ****ing break... He's feeding the Patriot and Brady legend... "We knew what we had in Brady...and that's why we gave Drew Bledsoe a 100 million dollar, record breaking contract knowing that we could get a first round pick without having to take a huge cap hit"

you're blind

He was traded to Buffalo, and signed on as a free agent in Dallas a couple of years later.

It's stupid to write off Sanchez because of 1 bad game.

Hey guys.... this just in.... The rams knew all along what they had in Kurt Warner! I read it in a book!

It is hard to find information on why the Pats decided to extend Bledsoe but it appears they needed cap space.

That's cool but in this case, I'm not wrong.

Just reading the excerpts from that book, it would appear that they saw something in Brady, but weren't prepared to rely on Brady prior to TC and the going into the 2001 season.

They structured that contract to make it easy to get out of it.

You'd never guess the author, though.... an insider from the Rams' franchise! They geniuses!

So then whats the big deal about the contract the Chiefs signed Cassel to?

very true I think he will bounce back. but this thread has gone in a completely different direction now...

The point is: Brady was NEVER considered a "career backup".
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Speaking of blind, I guess you missed the numerous posts that show that he was only guaranteed $6M?

Teams heavily backload contracts knowing they are never going to pay that money - as a small percentage of the extension was guaranteed.

They could have signed him to a 40 year, $900B extension, and if they only guaranteed $6M, as they did in this instance, they could have cut him the next day and not owed him a dime over the $6M they guaranteed in the deal.

Then why don't YOU write a book that disputes it.

JFC.

Un****ingbelievable.

And his point remains valid.

It's already been covered.

And Cassel, playing behind two Heisman winning quarterbacks doesn't? Doesn't play in college because the guys in front of him are winning Heisman's and National Championships and falls to the 7th round. But Starr falling to the 17th round because he missed his senior season is okay?

At least to me, there seems to be some cynical double standards being applied around here.

Obvious to anyone who's not trying to cover their ass.

Just to clarify: Whitlock did NOT write the book in question.

Perhaps that has clouded the conversation.

Cassel's deal is similary structured and it is basically the franchise tag for 2 years.

He's guaranteed $28M.

Not $6M.

That was already used after week 4. And week 5. He has shown little this entire season despite all the hype.
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