Where did you buy your TV?

WTF? I just watched it. The defender had his hands around Stanzis helmet, not his facemask.

Why do you love making shit up?

:facepalm:

I anxiously await your disappearance once clay shows the gifs.

Fact:

On the plays Stanzi didnt get one of his own teammates thrown right into him, he didnt look bad at all...when he did, the end result of the play was poor.

You are the first and only person I have heard say Stanzi didn't have a bad game. The first and only.

Should probably strike a confession with billay, then.

Watch the slowmotion replay that is shown right after the play.

pause it as the DL reaches out for Stanzi and you will CLEARLY see his hand start just abolve the facemask and work its way down...at the same time, watch the DLs other hand go right on the other side of the facemask.

If you cant see BOTH HANDS on the quarterbacks facemask, you are blind.

We have been saying this all offseason. For Cassel to win, we must run the ball and dink and dunk it down the field. That works well when setting on a lead. Not so much from a cople of TD's down.

Stanzi was shit and everyone knows it, even the blindest of Iowa homers. Give it up, Boss.

I never said he didn't have a bad game.

He did.

I'm sorry that you, king and jd1020, cant understand that.

I am showing in detail WHY he had a bad game.

The same details Phobia posted earlier today.

It was clear from last week that you guys see Stanzi plays differently from the rest of the world. I shouldn't have expected that to change.

Cassel averaged 10.92 yards a pass. That's acceptable.

If he would average that all year and have this same completion percentage, we could beat some decent teams.


Still needs to attack down the field to some of the Wr's we have.

The same was said about his performance in week one until the gifs were posted that showed why the plays didnt have a positive end result.

Still holding on?

Watch the replay and try to dispute any of the observations I have posted in this thread.

So....Game 60, maybe?

That may fool you, but I use the "eye test". The same test I used to tell me whether Cassel sucks or not. Guess what? He's worse than Cassel.

God, that was painful.

Apparently, Phobia and myself are the only ones here that took the time to look at the details here and not strictly the end result.

I agree and I don't know what's up with that? I mean there are times in a game when I can see taking the safer play over the riskier one is better. Meaning if you are down by 1 or 2 scores with time left you don't want to **** up a drive trying to get a huge chunk of yards at once when the more conservative plays are yielding results. And given it is preseason you never know what Daboll is telling Cassel and the QB's as far as stuff he wants to see?

Sure. But bottom line is when we rely on the passing game... we are probably going to lose. Run it. Most likely we win. Not that hard to understand.

I will just speculate a little more as well though I do admit it is a bit of a reach but it could be they knew Bowe was coming back so they wanted to get the TE's some work and wait for the WR's to get in their respective positions? I mean preseason is the time to do that and all. Who knows?

I still think Cassel does tend to lose a little confidence in throwing the deep ball in fear of ****ing up a drive.

Can you at least post a couple screen shots for me?

One of both hands on Stanzis facemask (clearly shows it for 21 frames during the slow mo replay) and the other of the ball placement on the interception.

I think that can be said about most teams in the NFL. There aren't but 4-5 QB's that can really succeed without a running game. NE uses the dink and dunk as a psuedo-running game. The west coast offense does similar. Overall though if most teams don't have success running the ball they become one dimensional and tend to lose.

You realize that Copper didn't even touch the ball on that INT? The ball was batted away before Copper could get his hands on it. I don't know about you, but if a CB touches a ball before the WR does, that's probably not a good pass. Agree or disagree?

I can say this...Cassel looks like the best quarterback we have at this point.

Lets see how things are going after the next 7 games...

It was a good pass and if I am going to blame Stanzi for anything on that it was the pass got there late. The defender made a good play but he wasn't in Copper's pocket. He came back on that and punched it out. Plus Copper has to do a better job of using his body to shield off the defender.

We need to see Cassel just wing the **** out of it all game long against SEA and get his confidence boosted up a lil.


Then watch him throw a 15yd out pattern only to be picked off for a TD and he never attempts another pass that's plus 10yds again.

And most all of those teams stay home from the playoffs. Clay has posted the stats.

I will say that after 7 games in the regular season, either Cassel or Quinn will be starting. We'll probably sign Tavaris Jackson after SEA releases him if both get injured.

Stanzi just needs a perfect pocket on every play. Sounds an awful lot like a similar QB on the roster that we have all deemed unacceptable.

I'm not even through the 1st half yet. I will.

Well that's what elite QB's do. If elite QB's were so easy to come by everyone would have one. We don't. I would hardly call Flaco elite yet his team is there every year because of solid defense and solid running and they can run the ball year in and year out. Even the Giants found their running game in the playoffs last year which allowed Manning to be even more effective.

Flacco is better than Cassel. Flacco made plays in the playoffs last year.

We don't need a top 5 QB.

We need a top 12 QB to have a decent chance year in and year out.

Can someone walk me through how to take a screen shot and post it here.

The placement of that pass was exactly where it needed to be and I have the preseason live feed paused on the frame showing exactly that.

After I post that screen shot, I can post the screen shots showing BOTH of the defenders hands on Stanzis facemask on the 4th down fumble play.

Pause the game.

Start menu - snipping tool

Click, hold and drag the cursor to form a box where you want the screen captured.

Save.

Upload the image and share.

Boss, if the throw was placed so perfect, and it was in time, how did the defender have time to knock it away?


Was the route not ran well?

Just got done watching the first half of this game. Cassel looks very improved and has zip on his passes. And some of this passes were while under a good amount of pressure. Really looks like all the work he put in and all the time Zorn has had with him has made a difference. He is, without a doubt, a better QB than he was last year.

McCluster, Hillis, and Charles all look good as well. Albert had a poor game with a couple penalties. Really, though, the first string offense looked pretty good except for the Baldwin fumble which made us get down 14-0 quickly.

Much more encouraged on offense after watching it. Defense... man.. what is going on out there and what is going on with Flowers' foot?

I'm trying to figure out how Copper was the 3rd read. I'm watching the play and he's looking straight ahead while taking 2 steps back and then he turns his head right and locks onto Copper.

Copper doesnt even get his hands up to try and catch the pass AT ALL.

Seriously.

The defender is behind Copper on the play and the defenders arm is outstretched past Copper and the defender gets the hand on the ball while Coppers arms are down.

The pass was literally placed between one and two feet in front of Copper.

I'm still confused as to why a slant would be your third read?

Pretty sure it was his first read, but w/e. He's looking straight ahead as he snaps the ball to watch the defense, for all of a half second, and then locks on to Copper which is probably the reason the ball gets knocked in the air by the defender because he read the QB.

Not sure if this is what I was supposed to do or not, but here is my first try at posting a screen shot.

If it worked, how on earth is this ball not place right where it should be?

Placement was good.



Timing wasn't.

here ya go

Thats kinda fun.

Now, Ill go show some of the DL having both hands on Stanzis facemask.

Gimme a minute

Proving my point?

Copper was the first read. He's looking off that LB so he can throw the slant.

so proud of my lil bosschief

his second read is Maneri

NAHHHHHH

He didnt have the facemask AT ALL he just barely touched his helmet is all...

Both hands on the facemask, like I said.

That was the fourth down play and that happened after snapping the ball from the 35.

A facemask penalty gives us a first down inside the redzone and nullifies the fumble.

After the snap, his facemask points in three directions and the third one is the throw and the ball is out in under 3 seconds.

Now, Ill go ahead and show the screen shots of the fullback getting thrown into Stanzi as he is trying to throw to a wide open Terrance Copper on an out route for the first down.

Gimme a few minutes...this is kinda fun.

just what the **** do you think you're doing bosschief

I disagree. There is a full compliment of receivers and backs this year. Hard to compare this years weapons with those of the past 3 years.

Look at who he is trying to throw to here and how badly the FB gets blasted into him during his throwing motion.

If the fullback holds his ground for a half second, Stanzi completes that pass for a first down....right or wrong?

Stanzi is already in throwing motion with the defender who blew up the FB is 3 yards away. Ball should have been gone. Sorry. He shit his pants and held onto the ball.

We will see. I hope you are right. First two preseason games follow the pattern pretty closely.

Pattern is we win a right around a 75% clip when we run more than we throw. We lose at about a 85% clip when we throw more. So we will win when we pass more. Just not very often.

"I just wanted to feel the power of it between my legs, brother" /Steve Buscemi in Armageddon

Really though, just showing the reasons the three plays he is getting torched for, happened at all.

Also, its kinda fun posting screen shots.

Thanks for showing me how.

The fullbacks foot whips Stanzi as he is getting blasted backwards and throws him off balance...in this situation (backed up within our own 15 yard line) its not that bad to take a sack instead of releasing a ball that just might end in a pick 6 if it flutters.

Punt it away and live to fight another day.

ROFL

Boss reminds me of a kid with a new toy.

Maneri is running a seam, Copper is running a slant.



Who's the first read?

His progression goes from left to right.

If the linebacker makes a move to the outside, the ball goes to Maneri.

His first read was the free safety to see if his other wideout would be in one on one coverage.

Stanzi sure made a ton of reads to keep a defender from breaking on a slant route. :rolleyes:

Then the throw was late. It's supposed to be on the wr when he comes into his break, not allowing the DB to break on the ball.


Or maybe Copper broke the slant off too soon, I don't know.

Look at coppers arms as the ball is right there.

If TC reaches out just a little, he either catches it or it is knocked to the ground.

He couldn't reach out, he tried to catch it with his arms/body, where the ball is thrown. Which is where it is supposed to be throw.

JFC

I posted 3 screen shots of him looking in completely different directions and clearly showed why that was.

If you want to act like he just stared down Copper the whole time, go ahead.

Everyone here already knows you are a ****ing idiot anyway, whats it gonna hurt to continue to ignore facts to continue being one?

Balls gotta come out there.

He's looking down the middle of the field on his first step, second step he comes to the right.

I agree with this.

Great play by the defender and a total fluke the direction the ball got tipped and how far it traveled.

Stanzis fault?

haha, no.

It shouldn't matter either way on a slant route.


Copper has to make sure that ball is either caught or on the ground.

Boss, Stanzi had a terrible game. He held the ball too long several times and made some bad decisions. He showed he is not ready to be a #2 let alone a #1. Maybe in time but right now, no.

Everyone knows you would take a bullet for Stanzi. Not surprising you would try to pass off his failures on other players.

exactly

His first step of his drop is identifying the first step of the free safety

Next he looked a little to the right at Maneri and saw the linebacker had him covered in a zone.

Third, he looked even further to the right and threw the pass to Copper

BOOM

Thats what Ive been saying the whole time.

Only an IDIOT (jd1020) would say the blame for that falls on Stanzi.

Where did I blame Stanzi for the interception? Link a quote you stupid mother ****er.

yo

only the iceman may finger roll

Don't think its the free safety he's checking, I think it's the OLB. He's checking.



It's basically a two read route.


Wherever the backer goes, you go opposite.

Its a slippery slope, for sure.

If he releases that ball while falling down and it flutters, its a pick 6 from that deep in our own zone.

When he's on his front foot, he hasn't been hit yet.


The FB is back close to him, but he hasn't been contacted. It's a throw that has to come out, IMO.


But I get what you are saying.