Quit being Nice, I want to hate you...My Wisconsin buddy says You are the worst fans in the world. :p

It was his 2nd real college game ever. Can you please relax a little?

My comeback.........two words.

Bo Ryan.

Ya I know, if only the shot clock didn't exist.

I'm a little frustrating having had to watch KU football and the Chiefs. Excuse me for expecting more out of the one team I like that isn't completely incompetent.

Yup, I've watched every miserable ****ing KU fball game and it makes me want to kill kittens. I fully expected the Chiefs to suck badly and even they've exceeded my expectations.

Withey is a pussy

He needs to start throwing around the big stick like Aldrich did in the paint.

I don't even....

The kids want to play competitive basketball, the coaches want them to gain all the experience possible, the fans want to watch the best teams compete..... there may actually be less value in playing a D2 school than scrimmaging against your own bench.

:spock:

I agree. I wan't to play Michigan States schedule. Also they should change this Champions Classic into a two day tournament. That would put this thing over the top.

It has nothing to do with being an MU fan. I was merely stating I would take any win over any loss regardless of opponent.

MSU and Michigan are the exceptions. Most B1G basketball is unwatchable.

That's where I'm at. It sucks we lost, but we played better than I expected. The SEMO game was horrid. I thought we would lose this one by quite a bit. Particularly when they were moving the ball around and getting easy ones. Fortunately, they were dumb and started trying to go one on one and turned the ball over a ****load. They tried to get physical with us and we handled it better than I expected. Maybe that's a product of TRob killing people in practice. Either way, pretty good performance for a Self team in November. If they can not let down too much, and Self can turn it on in January, watch the **** out.

I was glad EJ got off the bus. All the talk about him being hurt scared me. But someone needs to step up outside. Tharpe didn't do horrible out there, but I'm not seeing enough defensively, and I'm still scarred by all the pants pissing he did last year. TT is definitely missed. TT contributed way beyond his stats.

I like the way Releford is playing. He's turning the ball over some, but hopefully we can put a lid on that, but it looked like last year he lost his confidence. I'm glad he's got it back. He can really do some good.

Withey needs to get his head out of his ass. He let a lot of shit go and expected to block the shot. Inexusable.

TRAYLOR! Dude is a ****ing BAMF. Really impressed.

I was hoping McLemore would do a little more. He was struggling against the physical play of MSU it appeared to me.

Ellis played really well early and then got out of it. I don't know if they made adjustments or if he faded, but he can be really good.

Overall, this team is way more talented than last year's team. But TT and TRob were really special and the team has to be a LOT better in the other positions to replace that. I keep saying it, but I think it is important.

Favored based on what exactly? I had no idea whether KU was better than MSU before that game and I still don't have any real idea.

Both it seems.

This isn't college football, though. Sometimes losses like this help you get to where you want to go more than wins would.

I base this on people who get paid for their opinion to rank the teams.

Ellis looked rattled throughout the game. Lacked toughness on the boards. I don't know why anybody would have expected different at this point, though. The raw talent is there.

McLemore on the other hand dealt with it much better. He's, of course, been playing with these guys for a while now.

I'm not sure if you noticed the Harris kid who was also playing in his second game.

KenPom had this as a two point KU loss. His system was right on the mark, though I'm not entirely sure what it was basing it on either.

In other news Duke is physically outmatched. By a lot.

I'm not saying there isn't value in a loss but again, a win is a win, a loss is a loss, strictly speaking. This loss won't hurt KU at all and it was on a neutral court. I was just addressing Mr T's statement about rather lose to a good team than stomp a bad team.

Irrelevant (as different freshmen develop at different rates) and also a bit of a false analogy (This was, for all intents and purposes, Ellis' first game against real competition; it was Harris' 2nd considering his poor performance against a good team in UConn).

It's November, and we're breaking out kenpom to rationalize a loss that will mean nothing when it's all said and done...... no idea why other fan bases hate us.

LMAO

I'd take a win in a game like this than a loss in a game like this. However, I'd take a loss in this than a win over nonamestateuniversity.

To put it simply, early in the season, I'd rather play well than play like shit. KU played well tonight in their loss, they played like shit last weekend. This was progress and bodes well for them.

I didn't rationalize any loss using KenPom. The loss doesn't make a bit of a difference to me. I was questioning why KU was considered a favorite in a game like this when we really didn't have any clue how good these two teams were (and KU was coming off the performances that they had).

I'm not real familiar with KU's team this year. In MU's case with a ton of new players I think the games against nonamestateuniversity help a lot. If you have a team that has a core that carried over then stiffer competition early could be the prescription. Time and tide, I guess.

Good. Hate those guys. Hope they lose.

Losing to a ranked team in November won't hurt in March. Doing nothing but beating up on inferior competition in November will hurt in March. How could you have not learned something about SoS after last year?

You never know when you'll get Norfolked.

I don't know what MU is packing, but most of our productivity is gone. But I'd think it'd be more important for a young team to know what to work on. Younger kids can develop bad habits and think they can do things that won't work against competition in cupcake games.

I probably should have quoted AH, since I was referring to his ridiculousness.... no one should have to explain how baseless rankings and odds are at this point of the season.

Watched the game, but haven't read the whole thread. I wouldn't be worried at all about KU this year. This is the type of game I would expect this team to lose. They've barely played together against real competition. And KU lost this game last year and went to the championship. It always takes Self a little while to figure out the right balance. And as the younger guys get more experience, they'll be more composed towards the end.

I'm also very excited about Traylor. He showed some awesome stuff tonight.

You could argue it both ways, I guess. MU has 10 newcomers. The only ones really playing that were on the team last year are Flip and Bowers and Bowers was out all season last year. I've literally had to re-learn the roster because of all the new faces. Well, Dixon too but he has yet to play. MU could very well be going up against Louisville here in a week so it isn't like the are far off from playing a top-ranked team.

What the hell did I miss? Why is Indiana #1?

Cody Zeller and a few other guys

Zeller pretty much.

:spock:

I can't remember. What did they do in the tournament last year?

Your mom?


See you Friday night bitch.

I might have to leave town.

Why can't you fly in a light breeze? Pussy.

And up by 2

ill take last possession losses to ranked teams anyday in november if it means were dusting off the dancing shoes come march

Lost to Anthony Davis like everyone else.

Why do ppl think Kevin Young is any good ? Odd he was put in on a defensive possession towards the end of the game and then continued to blow it. Terrible defender. .. has no position... is really only good at offensive put backs

I was wondering that myself, he's definitely a liability on defense.

Not at all concerned about this loss. It happens. Self will use this. Better now than in conference play.

I was telling my wife that I was pissed he was in there. He sucks. He got some PT last year but it was him or Wesley :spock:

I can't believe KU went to a national championship with him and Wesley first off the bench.

50-70 MPH winds in a C172?

Okay I am a pussy... An alive pussy, thats coming to your house and drinking your beer. You better stock up big boy.

Eh, you're good for it. And I think some of them were higher than 70 out here. I'll buy some alligators for the moat and put some archers in the tower.

When I was flying pipeline, I landed in Guthrie with 55 MPH wind about 30 degress off the nose. Landed at full throttle and almost flipped the plane trying to taxi...

There were two of us in the plane, TJ and I, it took us both all of our strength to hold the rudder down to land in that wind...

No thanks...

why is everyone surprised that we struggle offensively?

KU froshies starting slow is another thing that nobody should be surprised about

SOP

the only concern for me is how the departure of Manning will effect our bigs

Don't you worry. Perry Ellis will get the hang of banging.

http://m.ljworld.com/news/2012/nov/1...anging/?sports

Little basketball game going on in Larry.

KU in deep shit tonight... Chattanooga whipping that ass....

Cobb from Chatt is breaking it off in KU...

Cobb 6-7 from 3... Eating KU for lunch... Guarded, on the run, etc...

This si the first time I have watched KU this year. They don't look like a typical Bill Self team. No transition from defense to offense. Well, not like what I am used to seeing from Self teams.

lots of freshmen....

This game sucks. #7 my ass.

Is Young supposed to be one of the leaders of the team this year?

I have a feeling that there is visible discomfort in the KU locker room at the half of this POS.

Pretty much. Although I think they'll be good by the end of the season, what we've seen so far this year isn't a top 25 team right now. Not even cose.

Weren't we down big to this team last time we played them as well?

And we thought KU had some issues on offense last year.

lulz

yes, typical early season self teams...

no

reminds me alot of the oral roberts game a few years ago...

I didn't think so but he seems to be acting like he is the man. Just noticing his expressions and body language and stuff.

30 of the 42 points at this time from 3....

KU getting shot out of the building.

This reminds me of when ISU visited KU years ago.

Kantrail Horton and Jamal Tinsley went nuts.

Embarrassing. This team needs to wake up.

Ok, now KU turns it around and pulls it out

OK I can't see the game, what's the issue? Can't hit shots? No defense? Undisciplined?

all the above...

and UTC have hit 10-14 from 3

No. Young is shit.

I like his hair though.... old school

He needs to get it to the Dr. J level.

and some socks

looks like KU bball players were let out of class a little late...

Like Fletch?

I don't know which is worse? A half-empty MU arena against Alcorn St. or a full house AFH goign crazy over a game against UTC?

KU fans love them some basketball....

Which is strange, you have a top 25 basketball team and your football team is sucking dog nuts...

Not sure why they cant fill the Paige up for some hoops...