I was a huge homer for Baldwin when he was drafted.

Loved the kid. Went apeshit over his length, leaping ability and speed.

But as time has gone by, it's become quite apparent to me that he's just not very good.

I'll eat crow if he improves.

Don't see it.

Whether it was a Pioli or Haley pick is irrelevant, though the way that Pioli micromanages everything, I highly doubt that Haley had any say.

But the fact is, Baldwin is not producing, not at a level that a first round pick should.

Well, I'm gonna be taking a fairly long break from CP. Got alot of stuff going on with school and school matters etc. Plus I really don't give a shit about the Chiefs right now.


Keep fighting the good fight guys.

Clay, stay on everyone round here to keep grinding this thing out.

The QB's and coaching suck Milk, you cant have it both ways.

No way dude has had a chance to prove himself. No way.

The scouting report on him was that for as freakishly athletic as he was, he never improved when he was in college. They couldn't figure out what it was. There were plenty of warning signs about the guy. And that's not even counting the fact that he is an ultimate diva.

Sucks for Baldwin that he plays a position that relies solely on the 48th best QB in the league.

The QBs and coaching suck, but that didn't stop Breaston last year.

So I'll choose to believe Baldwin sucks, especially since he rarely gets good separation.

Big guy who can jump, but a very below average NFL WR. Mike Williams II.

You start a post calling out idiots, then go on to say you want to draft a franchise quarterback only to trade away our best offensive weapon that would aid a rookie quarterback?

Won't know until we get a real QB

We dont have the same OC as last year and it appears this guy is worse.

Seriously, 36 runs in a half against the 23rd ranked pass defense?

Nuff said.

Can you blame him? How many turnovers does Cassel have this year?

Raiduhs

If we actually drafted a legitimate franchise QB, I'd want Bowe on the field to help develop that kid.

Go back and read DJ'sl left nuts post about it.

He really hits the nail on the head.

The point is, there is no way you can point to Baldwin as an acceptable replacement.

He may develop into a good, even great, receiver, but there is nothing to base that hope on.

Bowe has produced with crap QBs since he was drafted.

Ok then, the coach being afraid to put the ball in Cassel's hands pretty much proves Baldwin isn't in a situation to succeed.

Bowe and Breaston were vets by the time Casshole showed up. Baldwin has played with nobody but Cassel really.

Its a shock he isn't running routes backwards.

I thought last year didn't count Clay, cause all the teams QB's were shitty or hurt?


And Moeaki's 2010 was against the NFC West?

I am not arguing either of those points. I am arguing the he "flat out sucks" comments.

If you trade Bowe we will still have to draft or sign a wideout I beleive this year we need to draft QB first CB second but I don't know if you could fairly judge Baldwin yet because the last two years Bowe was targeted heavily because we were playing against prevent D's to gat back into the game or to make the game respectable so you go to your safest option everytime you need to move fast when your down 3 scores with 5 mins. left in the game

The reality is that everyone, you, me, the planet, your grandmother, and the DCs in the NFL know that Bowe is the primary target for Cassel.

That should open up opportunities for Baldwin, and he is not taking advantage of those opportunities.

Why?

It can not simply be the QB.

Baldwin hasn't done anything yet to make us believe he could even come close to replacing Bowe's production.



That said, myself among many others here on CP have witnessed games where we have had WR's running open all over the field.


He might not catch the ball, but I've watched Baldwin this year against the Falcons, Chargers and Ravens be running with a WR on his hip or open deep down the field.

Even the times he has been targeted deep down the field, the throw has been out of bounds or 5 yards off.


Same with Bowe, the times he has been open for a deep ball, it's a terrible terrible throw.

How can't it? Everyone knows that Bowe is the #1 target but that doesn't stop Cassel from still going to him.

Just look at the play where Cassel threw the ball to Bowe that got intercepted because of tight coverage and Maneri with 15 yards of space on the other side of the field.

Stop trolling.

This.

I don't see anyone saying he's a stud.

So how can he take advantage of these?


We see Cassel throw it to Bowe with 4 guys around him time after time.

Baldwin would be more productive with a good QB.

He'd probably catch 40 balls.

That sucks.

If we let him go and he comes back, well then it was meant to be. If he doesn't come back well then we stink.:moon:

Rams tried to trade #33 overall pick for Bowe in the draft and Pioli didn't take it?

Big EZ
‏@BigEZ
@CoryRadford79 @JasonColeYahoo @DwayneBowe82 There were talks btw STL/KC involving Bowe on Day2 of draft. Pick # 33+more.Never came together

Oh yes, yes it can. How many times last year did you see video of WR running free all over the place and CAsshole throwing to coverage or whatever.

Hell Cassel has done it multiple times in 4 games this year. Moeaki's tipped pass for an INT in game 1 or 2 comes to mind. Baldwin or somebody else was wide open and he threw the ball to Moeaki who had a guy draped all over him.

Cassel is THAT bad.

He won't have a chance to catch 40 this year, he will barely be targeted 40 times.

Thats not trolling its pointing the fairly obvious point of you talking out both sides of your mouth constantly.

Clay trolling 101:

1. Take a legitimate issue and exaggerate it to ridiculous proportions.

2. Watch same group of idiots stampede to thread to debate exaggerated issue.

3. ????

4. Profit

They're looking more and more like the Royals. They let their good players go to other teams. You simply cannot win that way because you have to constantly replace the players that leave. It doesn't allow you to field a complete team. There will always be holes to fill.

How reliable is incarceratedbob? Has he called anything recently

It's definitely trolling.

Breaston succeeded last year because he's an actual good player, and not for other reasons he insinuated.

I haven't been trolling this thread. I've held this opinion since preseason, when all the hype went up in smoke with this kid.

How can he make an impact if he isn't getting the ball?

Pretty much

Well to be fair, the entire season went up in smoke after week one, if not preseason game two.

Baldwin may suck, but so does the rest of the team. Very few guys (Houston excluded) have separated themselves from the stink.

Shitty wide receivers, who can't get open, don't get the ball.

So Cassel is seeing that he isn't open and not throwing him the ball?


I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about some troll bullshit you pull up.

I've watched the dude run open and not get a chance. It's fine.

When is the trade deadline so all this speculation can end...

I thought it was well established yesterday that Breaston was not a slot guy.

Ill make you a sig/avatar bet on baldwins yards if bowe gets traded.

:facepalm:

HIS RATIO OF RECEPTIONS TO TARGETS IS THE SAME AS BOWE'S

And yet he gets few targets.

Why?

Because he can't get open.

Tuesday after week eight.

Can't you ****ers that don't know shit use Google?

What's the point when us ****ers have bitches like you?

Open is a relative term.

I'll bet he'd be open for Aaron Rodgers.

Clay is a masterful troll

Your avatar is ****ing hilarious

LMAO I'm out.


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Clay,

My sig vs yours says that if bowe gets traded, baldwin averages 50 yds a game or more for the rest of the season.

Either accept my challenge, or reveal yourself as a sham.

Accepted.

Bowe isn't going to be traded, anyway. LMAO

Pioli's trying to save his job.

we neex to go ahead and let him go drop balls in miami, if you remember the home game last year against oakland BOWE dropped a quick slant across the middle that could have won the game that would have WON THE DIVISION. if im not mistaken this would have been the first time in chief history that we would have won back to back division titles...... I will check the stats. I will apologize if im wrong.

Herp derp

I'm scared of this too.

He actually did us a favor. Winning that division only to lose in the first round would have just prolonged this garbage even more. Tons of fans would have defended Pioli and wanted to give Orton 4 years to prove himself. We needed epic fail for block-head fans and the owner to see the truth.

You win in this league with QB's. What part of that don't you understand??? D-Bowe is not gonna get us where we want to go. Man the Chiefs fanbase is fukn reeruned. If it's even remotely true that the Phins have offered two seconds, DBowe is gone yesterday.

Baldwin and Breaston respectively Dex would stay in the slot.

The sad reality is Bowe is as good as gone next year unless we tag him again. No one is going to trade anything worth a **** for someone in the last year of their contract.

We're gng to trade Bowe, replace Albert with Stephenson, and tag Colquitt. You watch.

**** me.

What's with this shitty GM of ours and Matts? Is it some bizarre sexual fetish of his? Is he also into balloon sex and pieing people in the face?

WTF. Voice of reason. Thats not welcome here.

I thought this too when I 1st saw this thread.

I said this months ago.

For one, i never said we didnt need a quarterback. Its by far our biggest priority, but you dont stick a qb without weapons around him. Just look at st louis and Sam Bradford. Dude is gonna have a very average career if they dont get him some help at reciever soon.

The fact that you wanna trade jamaal charles in his prime just for the hell of it is "fukn reeruned". A strong running game is any quarterbacks best friend, especially a rookie whos learning the ropes.

If bowes made up his mind and wants to go elsewhere after the season, by all means get the best deal you can for him, but dont give him away for peanuts.

It doesn't mean you trade the one of the two guys that have actually made a difference on offense under Pioli's watch.

If Pioli does this, he will all but be admitting that his team is a total failure. You just DO NOT trade superstars. (And yes, Bowe is a superstar. Give him a real quarterback and watch what he does.)

Must have missed it, but props for calling it.

Executive of the Decade, hard at work.

So if and when Bowe goes to another team, with a QB who can presumably execute an accurate pass.... I wonder how long it will take him to 100% polish his skills for catching an accurately placed ball. Sometimes with our WR's, I swear it seems like they have adapted their play to catch nothing but shit passes and when the rare occurrence of an accurate pass is actually given to them, they suddenly forget how to catch a football.

Pioli will probably let bowe go and get crap for him. Anything to end the Pioli era.

If bowe goes to miami i bet he finishes the final 10 games with about 800 yards and 7 tds

If that were the case, you would still own your own sig and avatar.

Amirite?

You cant bet with currency you have already wagered.

Bowe isn't gonna be traded.

Unless I misunderstood the terms, both bets end at the end of the season.

Okay, if i lose the bet, he can have my avatar for the offseason

If i win he has to make a patriotic Stanzi video and post it on here.

Bowe isn't gonna be traded. LMAO

This.

He isn't going anywhere.

Haha

That's better.

Irrelevant.

Damn this thread got big quick.

Im not sure why everyone would be so pissed if we traded Bowe. If it where for a 1st rounder I say do it.

Im also not sure why we think Bowe will even re-sign with KC. Bowe is going to hit the market and someone WILL pay him. He is going to leave for the same reasons Gonzo, Carr, Orton, and Peyton Manning arent in KC.

The ONLY way he stays if we make a HUGE splash in the front office and coaching staff, and quick.

:banghead: