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Ninjafitz 03-14-2013 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496344)
How convenient that you ignore the postseason, dipshit.

I am comparing points scored this year and since Alex didnt play in the postseason i did not include those. However since you have decided to be a little bitch about the situation heres some stats for you.

Alex Smith is the 49ers franchise record holder for consecutive passes without an INT.
Alex Smith was a huge part of the first team in NFL history to have 300 yards passing and 300 yards rushing(he threw for 305 and ran for 49 yards)
18/19 232 yards 3 tds 1 dropped pass.

Profootball focus has the following stats on Alex
Passing under pressure
Alex Smith 66.7% completion percentage and 5% interception percentage(9th in the league)

Adjusted Quarterback completion percentage(with dropped passes calculated as complete)
Alex Smith 75.5%(#4 in the league)

Accuracy Percentage
PFF Acc. % = (Completions + Drops) / (Attempts – Throw Aways – Spikes – Batted Passes – Hit As Thrown)
Alex Smith
80.2%(#3 in the league)

Seems like he is in the top of plenty of categories. I can not post the links but you can go to PFF

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496364)
McCluster is not an upgrade from anything. When will people learn?

LMAO

I believe that if you ever ran into him, you'd hate **** him, just out of spite.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-14-2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jd34 (Post 9496370)
This draft has about 5 or 6 blue chip players at the top and below that are a lot of players that are pretty even in terms of overall ability. One board I saw last week had 35+ players that could be picked anywhere from 10 thru 45. Consequently, unless a team feels it really needs one of those top 5 or 6 guys in order to get to the Super Bowl, they are unlikely to pay the price to get up that high.

I would grab Joekel and be set at LT for the next 10 years. Smith will have the outside pocket protection every QB needs and the running game would be even better.

We have a 28 year old LT who is as good as Joeckel will ever be. We'd be better shitting in a hat and taking the hat shit as our #1 pick than drafting that ****wad.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NotASFHippy (Post 9496369)
Lots of words about Alex Smith

Thanks for the relatively even-handed breakdown.

I just hope the guy gets enough rope here because even the guys from SF that don't have much of anything good to say about him paint him as a guy that it's incredibly easy to root for.

jd34 03-14-2013 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NotASFHippy (Post 9496369)
Hi KC fans. This is long, but I feel it would be irresponsible for me not to give you a fair warning to your eminent horizon.

Let me preface by saying I'm a Niners fan but I got no beef with your team. Anyone that gets to smack around the raiders (the absolute lowest common denominator of humanity) is OK in my book. You may read that oakland is in a state of revival, that's bull*** - it's always been a s***hole and always will be.

If you're reading this, the Alex Smith trade has gone through.

I post to you with an olive branch in my hand - I'm here only to let you know what your in for.

First things first, Alex Smith is great guy. If he weren't he would have been booted from our team half a decade ago. He is the epitome of class, the nonpareil of locker room integrity, he's dedicated- to the team, to his family and to his community. He always says the right things. Were a bildungsroman to be written of a young man destined for the trials and tribulations of the NFL, Alex Smith is the poster child. He's the kind of dude you want your daughter to marry.

He's also very smart. His wonderlic was very high. He did very well at a mediocre school. I'm not sure what that means. Marino is as dumb as a doorknob, and Joe isn't renown for his intellectual prowess. Stephen Hawking is incredibly smart, but I don't think I'd want him quarterbacking my team (but then again, he knows more than I, so if he could figure out a way to pull it off and win- rock and roll Stevo).

Please KC, don't get mad at the player. I can confidently say that Alex Smith will do everything in his power to bring success to your organization.

The problem is Alex isn't coming to KC to chill, hang out and eat BBQ (of which I'm personally jealous, there's little real BBQ in SF - there's wanna-be- but no real-deal). He's coming out to lead your football team.

KC, you have acquired an enigma.

Is he great? No. Is he really good? Nobody really knows. Has he had moments of greatness? Yes! Are those moments rare? Yes. Can he win a big game? Yes! Can he lose an even bigger game? Yes.

What is he really good at? Well, he's an incredibly conservative passer, he can take a sack better than any QB I've ever seen, and his presence divides a fanbase more than anything I've ever witnessed (I went through the Joe vs. Steve debacle and it was dark, but nothing near the acrimony associated with the AS debate(maybe thats got something to do with the internet or something, IDK)).

There are essentially three camps of folks when it comes to Alex Smith. The Haters (those who believe the dude is a junk QB and whose success is completely dependent on the system and will spare no expense to trash the guy). The 49er Fans (those who care more about the team than any individual player(s) and want everyone to do well). And the Fanboys, a.k.a. the Alex Supporters (a term I find funny b/c when I played sports a supporter referred to something specific that I would personally not want to be associated with).

The Haters were predictable- they were mad for myriad reasons. They would constantly lament at the fact that Smith wasn't Rodgers, took too long in his reads, couldn't hit a receiver in stride, would regularly pass for 5 yards on 3rd and 6, enjoyed throwing the ball above-below-behind a receiver (essentially everywhere except where a proper pass should land), would take a sack rather risk an incompletion, stared down his receivers, had a predilection for check-downs even when folks were wide open downfield, a penchant for getting coaches fired, rarely scanned deeper than 10 yards, became anomic when rattled, had a slow release and a mediocre arm, and has been given more chances than Carter had pills.

The Fans were just happy that the team was finally achieving some success after almost two decades of the suck and could really care less who the QB was as long as we were doing well. A polka-dotted rainbow-skinned hermaphroditic sheep could be the QB and as long as we were winning, we really wouldn't care.

And then there are the Fanboys - a breed upon themselves. They come multiple forms, oldman Fanboys, english Fanboys, juicy Fanboys, Never-Seen-Any-Other QB-play Fanboys. They exhibit a dedication to and fascination of Alex Smith that transcends logic, reason, and accountability. In their mind Smith is incapable of doing anything wrong - he is the unfortunate recipient of bad coaches, players, luck, fans, weather, hell - they've blamed gravity on his low passes. Their favorite stat is Alex's completion percentage (which they consistently confuse with accuracy). In their mind there is no difference between a crappy pass that requires a WR to stop/wait/ or make some otherwise awkward motion and throwing to a receiver so that he can make a play. In their mind Alex came into the league a HOF QB that was held back only by circumstances outside of his purview.

Fanboys also like to use stats to prove Alex Smith is a good/great QB. Has he gotten better? Absolutely. But, it's also like comparing a fresh turd with a 5 year old turd. (Obviously the 5 year old turd isn't as ripe and juicy, and will (in most people's eyes) be a better turd due to it's lack of offense. But, pardon the tautology, poop is still poop (petrified or not). It took a guru to turn the poop into something serviceable). After Kap started playing, Fanboys loved to "prove" that AS was still a superior QB because of his stats. Fanboys went so far to say that AS was a better QB than Manning and Rodgers (if you looked at the stats). Cocaine is a hell'uva drug. So is Alex Smith love.

(An excellent example of this type of blind love is continually exhibited by a particular moderator of a popular 49er fanzone who will ban or warn any poster who says anything critical of his beloved QB, or failing that, shut down any post that doesn't attempt to paste AS in the best light (which are all of them). Don't take my word for it look for yourselves - don't let it happen to your sites).

So, where does that leave you. Look. First things first, Smith is a great guy, maybe one of the greatest. Second, he's a decent QB - I'm not sure of how many training camp QB competitions he's won when the HC didn't load the deck, but he's definitely better now than he was 7 years ago. Third, you got Reid and Reid has a good history with QBs (and I'm sorry, but I can't help this, Reid (lest anyone forgot) is also a descendant of the 49ers). Smith would have never been successful without Harbaugh, and I do think he won't regress markedly under AR. In fact the greatest thing Smith did for the Niners was play just well/poorly enough to where we could acquire Harbaugh. Fourth, it's widely documented that it takes AS 3 years to learn a system- hopefully this isn't true.

He will make brilliant plays, but his inaccuracy will piss off Bowe - we've never had a receiver of the same caliber under AS's tenure, and there has still been a ton of grumbling over the years. But he will also redeem himself in certain circumstances in certain periods of time. He CAN make all the throws, but everything needs to be perfect. He won't rock the ship. He's good enough to always have hope.

I also want to say that his last game vs. the Cards was excellent. It was in, in my mind, his finest game ever. I know the Saints comeback was great, as were a few others, but his last game was by far his most consistent play I have ever seen. At no point did he slump, he finally did hit receivers in stride, stared off DBs, had complete command of the huddle and line-calls, and generally went out and kicked ass. If you guys are getting that Alex Smith you're gonna be stoked. Insofar as it was his last game and last metric to go by, you should have hope. But also beware that for every good game he's put together, there is a stinker waiting around the corner.

I leave you with this. Stay strong, Stay united. You guys have been through a rough year (I feel your pain, we had the same record a few years ago). Call to reason any fan that starts to skew in one direction or the other. Keep dialogue open and beware of powers that want to sway the conversation in one direction or the other. Also beware of moderators who don't believe in the freedom of speech unless it correlates with their own particular universe of reality.

Lastly, if you do see Alex around town- give him your best because you can be confident he's going to do the same for you.

Good luck and Kick the Life out of oak!

Alex Smith never had three years to learn a system. He had a different OC every year for six years in a row. Only after Greg Roman arrived with Harbaugh did he have the same system two years in a row. Also, I am sure you know of Camp Alex where Harbaugh had one day during the lockout to give Smith the playbook and Alex went on to organize an offensive camp on his nickel in which he taught the basic offense to the rest of the team. He went on to have his best year ever as a pro. To repeat, he had ONE DAY with Harbaugh and proceeded to teach himself the offense from the playbook and taught it to the rest of the team...and they went 13-3 and were two Kyle Williams fumbles in the NFCC away from the Super Bowl that year (2011).

motto1997 03-14-2013 12:27 AM

You Alexsexuals in this thread are hilarious.

Remember weeks 1-8 ish when Harbaugh would bring Kaep into the game in weird situations, for example, redzone/1st downs and then he'd come out then Alice would go back and throw an incompletion/check down/INT/sack. You idiots used the pathetic excuse of Kaep ruining Alex's "RHYTHM". LMAO

I know you idiots remember that. Jesus it was hilarious. The guy would throw 3 INTs and meltdown against the Giants at home and the reason according to these Alexsexuals was because of Kaep coming in for a series or two ruining Alex's "CONCENTRATION" and "RHYTHM".

Then whenever anyone would suggest Kaep is ready for more time in games, you guys would use the fake excuse of him not being ready, in fact 2 years away from being ready. "He's too raw, not ready, let him sit till 2013-2014...". LMAO, remember those ones Alexsexuals. LMAO

Idiots, you clowns were HORRIBLY wrong all season, yet you want to come over to these Chiefs fans and try and add insult to injury. Have you no shame, Alexsexuals?

jd34 03-14-2013 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496347)
That shitty Vernon Davis, if only Alex had a real TE.

Go read some of the mocks and some of the SF media. They are all saying the 49ers need DL, WR, DB and TE at the top of the draft. Why do you think they include TE in the mix?

Davis is a threat any time he goes out but he is not good at the typical routes the WCO TE runs.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by motto1997 (Post 9496412)
You Alexsexuals in this thread are hilarious.

Remember weeks 1-8 ish when Harbaugh would bring Kaep into the game in weird situations, for example, redzone/1st downs and then he'd come out then Alice would go back and throw an incompletion/check down/INT/sack. You idiots used the pathetic excuse of Kaep ruining Alex's "RHYTHM". LMAO

I know you idiots remember that. Jesus it was hilarious. The guy would throw 3 INTs and meltdown against the Giants at home and the reason according to these Alexsexuals was because of Kaep coming in for a series or two ruining Alex's "CONCENTRATION" and "RHYTHM".

Then whenever anyone would suggest Kaep is ready for more time in games, you guys would use the fake excuse of him not being ready, in fact 2 years away from being ready. "He's too raw, not ready, let him sit till 2013-2014...". LMAO, remember those ones Alexsexuals. LMAO

Idiots, you clowns were HORRIBLY wrong all season, yet you want to come over to these Chiefs fans and try and add insult to injury. Have you no shame, Alexsexuals?

Keep it on your own board, children.

Rasputin 03-14-2013 12:42 AM

I wish the mods would start banning these ass clown 9er fans. We don't need any lectures or tell us what to expect of one Alex Smith.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496433)
I wish the mods would start banning these ass clown 9er fans. We don't need any lectures or tell us what to expect of one Alex Smith.

Eh, I appreciate the insight...for awhile.

Let's face it, wouldn't you feel pretty qualified to go to a Vikings board and tell them about Matt Cassel?

The problem comes when they start to feel indignant about people disagreeing with them.

Easy 6 03-14-2013 12:46 AM

San Fran Hippie with one of the most entertaining reads i've seen for a while.

Its pretty much trolling, but i'm always willing to listen to well said points... i also honestly agree with the other frisco noobtroll who said in another thread "we'll always be looking for something better than AS"

But the revival has to start somewhere, average is better than below average, this team needs to regain its SELF respect before it can gain the leagues respect.

Now quit kicking sand from your mighty forty niner perch, you dirty hippie, and go get pelosi a mimosa.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9496438)
San Fran Hippie with one of the most entertaining reads i've seen for a while.

Its pretty much trolling, but i'm always willing to listen to well said points... i also honestly agree with the other frisco noobtroll who said in another thread "we'll always be looking for something better than AS"

But the revival has to start somewhere, average is better than below average, this team needs to regain its SELF respect before it can gain the leagues respect.

Now quit kicking sand from your mighty forty niner perch, you dirty hippie, and go get pelosi a mimosa.

Deep down, don't we all kinda hope that Chris Clemons breaks Kaepernick in two?

I mean that would be at least a little funny, right?

I just can't handle any more good things happening to such a mopey little **** in Harbaugh. That guy is the world's biggest 4 yr old.

Easy 6 03-14-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9496442)
I just can't handle any more good things happening to such a mopey little **** in Harbaugh. That guy is the world's biggest 4 yr old.

LMAO his sideline antics shame even the worst snotnosed brat.

mcaj22 03-14-2013 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jd34 (Post 9496417)
Go read some of the mocks and some of the SF media. They are all saying the 49ers need DL, WR, DB and TE at the top of the draft. Why do you think they include TE in the mix?

Davis is a threat any time he goes out but he is not good at the typical routes the WCO TE runs.

they need a TE because their BACK UP PART TIME TE JUST WENT OUT AND GOT OVERPAID BY A CRAPPY TEAM

thats how good the 49ers are, the guys playing part time with their stars can go out on the market and get themselves a nice little payday, and thus the 49ers need to round off depth at TE behind Vernon Davis. It happens when a team wins, a bad team wants to overpay for any player that comes off that team.

see Delanie Walker, Dashon Goldson, Issac Soapaga, Ricky Jean Francois

AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9496452)
they need a TE because their BACK UP PART TIME TE JUST WENT OUT AND GOT OVERPAID BY A CRAPPY TEAM

thats how good the 49ers are, the guys playing part time with their stars can go out on the market and get themselves a nice little payday, and thus the 49ers need to round off depth at TE behind Vernon Davis. It happens when a team wins, a bad team wants to overpay for any player that comes off that team.

see Delanie Walker, Dashon Goldson, Issac Soapaga, Ricky Jean Francois

They did all get overpaid Goldson is a legit pro bowl safety though, gonna miss that dude.

Kaepernick 03-14-2013 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496163)
Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.

Ditto. You don't trade off your #34 overall draft pick when you are rebuilding.

Molitoth 03-14-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NotASFHippy (Post 9496369)
Hi KC fans. This is long, but I feel it would be irresponsible for me not to give you a fair warning to your eminent horizon.

Let me preface by saying I'm a Niners fan but I got no beef with your team. Anyone that gets to smack around the raiders (the absolute lowest common denominator of humanity) is OK in my book. You may read that oakland is in a state of revival, that's bull*** - it's always been a s***hole and always will be.

If you're reading this, the Alex Smith trade has gone through.

I post to you with an olive branch in my hand - I'm here only to let you know what your in for.

First things first, Alex Smith is great guy. If he weren't he would have been booted from our team half a decade ago. He is the epitome of class, the nonpareil of locker room integrity, he's dedicated- to the team, to his family and to his community. He always says the right things. Were a bildungsroman to be written of a young man destined for the trials and tribulations of the NFL, Alex Smith is the poster child. He's the kind of dude you want your daughter to marry.

He's also very smart. His wonderlic was very high. He did very well at a mediocre school. I'm not sure what that means. Marino is as dumb as a doorknob, and Joe isn't renown for his intellectual prowess. Stephen Hawking is incredibly smart, but I don't think I'd want him quarterbacking my team (but then again, he knows more than I, so if he could figure out a way to pull it off and win- rock and roll Stevo).

Please KC, don't get mad at the player. I can confidently say that Alex Smith will do everything in his power to bring success to your organization.

The problem is Alex isn't coming to KC to chill, hang out and eat BBQ (of which I'm personally jealous, there's little real BBQ in SF - there's wanna-be- but no real-deal). He's coming out to lead your football team.

KC, you have acquired an enigma.

Is he great? No. Is he really good? Nobody really knows. Has he had moments of greatness? Yes! Are those moments rare? Yes. Can he win a big game? Yes! Can he lose an even bigger game? Yes.

What is he really good at? Well, he's an incredibly conservative passer, he can take a sack better than any QB I've ever seen, and his presence divides a fanbase more than anything I've ever witnessed (I went through the Joe vs. Steve debacle and it was dark, but nothing near the acrimony associated with the AS debate(maybe thats got something to do with the internet or something, IDK)).

There are essentially three camps of folks when it comes to Alex Smith. The Haters (those who believe the dude is a junk QB and whose success is completely dependent on the system and will spare no expense to trash the guy). The 49er Fans (those who care more about the team than any individual player(s) and want everyone to do well). And the Fanboys, a.k.a. the Alex Supporters (a term I find funny b/c when I played sports a supporter referred to something specific that I would personally not want to be associated with).

The Haters were predictable- they were mad for myriad reasons. They would constantly lament at the fact that Smith wasn't Rodgers, took too long in his reads, couldn't hit a receiver in stride, would regularly pass for 5 yards on 3rd and 6, enjoyed throwing the ball above-below-behind a receiver (essentially everywhere except where a proper pass should land), would take a sack rather risk an incompletion, stared down his receivers, had a predilection for check-downs even when folks were wide open downfield, a penchant for getting coaches fired, rarely scanned deeper than 10 yards, became anomic when rattled, had a slow release and a mediocre arm, and has been given more chances than Carter had pills.

The Fans were just happy that the team was finally achieving some success after almost two decades of the suck and could really care less who the QB was as long as we were doing well. A polka-dotted rainbow-skinned hermaphroditic sheep could be the QB and as long as we were winning, we really wouldn't care.

And then there are the Fanboys - a breed upon themselves. They come multiple forms, oldman Fanboys, english Fanboys, juicy Fanboys, Never-Seen-Any-Other QB-play Fanboys. They exhibit a dedication to and fascination of Alex Smith that transcends logic, reason, and accountability. In their mind Smith is incapable of doing anything wrong - he is the unfortunate recipient of bad coaches, players, luck, fans, weather, hell - they've blamed gravity on his low passes. Their favorite stat is Alex's completion percentage (which they consistently confuse with accuracy). In their mind there is no difference between a crappy pass that requires a WR to stop/wait/ or make some otherwise awkward motion and throwing to a receiver so that he can make a play. In their mind Alex came into the league a HOF QB that was held back only by circumstances outside of his purview.

Fanboys also like to use stats to prove Alex Smith is a good/great QB. Has he gotten better? Absolutely. But, it's also like comparing a fresh turd with a 5 year old turd. (Obviously the 5 year old turd isn't as ripe and juicy, and will (in most people's eyes) be a better turd due to it's lack of offense. But, pardon the tautology, poop is still poop (petrified or not). It took a guru to turn the poop into something serviceable). After Kap started playing, Fanboys loved to "prove" that AS was still a superior QB because of his stats. Fanboys went so far to say that AS was a better QB than Manning and Rodgers (if you looked at the stats). Cocaine is a hell'uva drug. So is Alex Smith love.

(An excellent example of this type of blind love is continually exhibited by a particular moderator of a popular 49er fanzone who will ban or warn any poster who says anything critical of his beloved QB, or failing that, shut down any post that doesn't attempt to paste AS in the best light (which are all of them). Don't take my word for it look for yourselves - don't let it happen to your sites).

So, where does that leave you. Look. First things first, Smith is a great guy, maybe one of the greatest. Second, he's a decent QB - I'm not sure of how many training camp QB competitions he's won when the HC didn't load the deck, but he's definitely better now than he was 7 years ago. Third, you got Reid and Reid has a good history with QBs (and I'm sorry, but I can't help this, Reid (lest anyone forgot) is also a descendant of the 49ers). Smith would have never been successful without Harbaugh, and I do think he won't regress markedly under AR. In fact the greatest thing Smith did for the Niners was play just well/poorly enough to where we could acquire Harbaugh. Fourth, it's widely documented that it takes AS 3 years to learn a system- hopefully this isn't true.

He will make brilliant plays, but his inaccuracy will piss off Bowe - we've never had a receiver of the same caliber under AS's tenure, and there has still been a ton of grumbling over the years. But he will also redeem himself in certain circumstances in certain periods of time. He CAN make all the throws, but everything needs to be perfect. He won't rock the ship. He's good enough to always have hope.

I also want to say that his last game vs. the Cards was excellent. It was in, in my mind, his finest game ever. I know the Saints comeback was great, as were a few others, but his last game was by far his most consistent play I have ever seen. At no point did he slump, he finally did hit receivers in stride, stared off DBs, had complete command of the huddle and line-calls, and generally went out and kicked ass. If you guys are getting that Alex Smith you're gonna be stoked. Insofar as it was his last game and last metric to go by, you should have hope. But also beware that for every good game he's put together, there is a stinker waiting around the corner.

I leave you with this. Stay strong, Stay united. You guys have been through a rough year (I feel your pain, we had the same record a few years ago). Call to reason any fan that starts to skew in one direction or the other. Keep dialogue open and beware of powers that want to sway the conversation in one direction or the other. Also beware of moderators who don't believe in the freedom of speech unless it correlates with their own particular universe of reality.

Lastly, if you do see Alex around town- give him your best because you can be confident he's going to do the same for you.

Good luck and Kick the Life out of oak!

You could damn near replace Alex Smith with Matt Cassel and it would all be true.

Molitoth 03-14-2013 09:59 AM

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I would grab Joekel and be set at LT for the next 10 years
So Joekel hasn't played a single down in the NFL and he is now a lockdown for the next 10 years?

He's got the same odds at Busting that every other player does.... 50%.
Either he's good, or he's not.

I'd rather take that chance on a QB.

notorious 03-14-2013 10:00 AM

Taking a LT might be more risky than taking QB.


The LT is safe pick bullshit needs to end now.

jd34 03-14-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497010)
So Joekel hasn't played a single down in the NFL and he is now a lockdown for the next 10 years?

He's got the same odds at Busting that every other player does.... 50%.
Either he's good, or he's not.

I'd rather take that chance on a QB.

There is always a chance on every player selected. However, Joekel has also been called as on the same level as Joe Thomas, and he has turned out rather well. I don't recall any recent mocks that show Geno Smith as the #1 overall pick. Joekel is the consensus #1 in most drafts, and that is even after Albert being settled for the year.

EDIT: Just for drill, I checked the mocks at NFL.com. They have 12 different guys putting up mocks post-combine and before the Alex Smith trade was "unofficially" announced. 10 of those 12, including both Brian Billick and Charley Casserly, picked Joekel as the Chiefs #1 overall pick and the other two picked Eric Fisher. Therefore I would suggest Joekel is a pretty safe pick. Of course that was before Albert was settled but with so many good teams with TWO good edge pass rushers a team that expects to do good business on offense needs a very good OT on both ends of the line. So whether that means just protecting the QB or getting a speedy RB outside, very good OTs are a necessity.

Thufir 03-14-2013 12:31 PM

Here's the thing, alex will be prepared and he will make damn sure the other guys know where to be on every play. He spends his own money on camps for the offense and will learn the playbook inside and out. He will have chemestry from the get go with his recievers. He is going to be playing with a huge chip on his shoulders and he knows how to read defenses very well. This is going to be fun to watch. Sure, he will have some bad games but every QB does. He's good enought to win a SB I think and in the end, that's all that matters. He's steady, smart, and wants to win. He will be a force to be reckoned with. Mark my words.

Molitoth 03-14-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jd34 (Post 9497341)
There is always a chance on every player selected. However, Joekel has also been called as on the same level as Joe Thomas, and he has turned out rather well. I don't recall any recent mocks that show Geno Smith as the #1 overall pick. Joekel is the consensus #1 in most drafts, and that is even after Albert being settled for the year.

EDIT: Just for drill, I checked the mocks at NFL.com. They have 12 different guys putting up mocks post-combine and before the Alex Smith trade was "unofficially" announced. 10 of those 12, including both Brian Billick and Charley Casserly, picked Joekel as the Chiefs #1 overall pick and the other two picked Eric Fisher. Therefore I would suggest Joekel is a pretty safe pick. Of course that was before Albert was settled but with so many good teams with TWO good edge pass rushers a team that expects to do good business on offense needs a very good OT on both ends of the line. So whether that means just protecting the QB or getting a speedy RB outside, very good OTs are a necessity.

You dumbass. These people are MOCKING where they think the player will END UP, not where they think they SHOULD end up.

And even if they did mock to where they SHOULD be drafted, which national media member do you think knows and cares about the irrelevant Kansas City Chiefs?

The Chiefs have shown their hand and gone all in on Alex Smith and gone out and overspent on Chase Daniel.... anyone who would mock Geno Smith to the Chiefs would be a fucking moron, just like you.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thufir (Post 9497729)
Here's the thing, alex will be prepared and he will make damn sure the other guys know where to be on every play. He spends his own money on camps for the offense and will learn the playbook inside and out. He will have chemestry from the get go with his recievers. He is going to be playing with a huge chip on his shoulders and he knows how to read defenses very well. This is going to be fun to watch. Sure, he will have some bad games but every QB does. He's good enought to win a SB I think and in the end, that's all that matters. He's steady, smart, and wants to win. He will be a force to be reckoned with. Mark my words.


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DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497811)
The Chiefs have shown their hand and gone all in on Alex Smith and gone out and overspent on Chase Daniel.

Overspent on Chase Daniel?

LMAO

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 01:07 PM

Yeah, it's hard to call Daniel an 'overspend'.

The market for backup QBs is what it is. If you want an 'accomplished' backup, you're going to get to spend a fair amount for the privilege.

The days of flipping change from the couch cushions at the Maytag Man are over. Backup QBs cost grown up money now.

The lesson: It's always good to be the quarterback.

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9497877)
Yeah, it's hard to call Daniel an 'overspend'.

The market for backup QBs is what it is. If you want an 'accomplished' backup, you're going to get to spend a fair amount for the privilege.

The days of flipping change from the couch cushions at the Maytag Man are over. Backup QBs cost grown up money now.

The lesson: It's always good to be the quarterback.

Backup QB's are more important than ever due to the new concussion rules that are in place.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thufir (Post 9497729)
He's good enought to win a SB I think and in the end, that's all that matters. He's steady, smart, and wants to win. He will be a force to be reckoned with. Mark my words.

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DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9497896)
Backup QB's are more important than ever due to the new concussion rules that are in place.

True; hadn't considered the mandatory baseline stuff.

And as we have a QB that has had a concussion or two, that's all the more critical.

Daniel was a little more than I'd like to have spent, but ultimately I'm kinda like Lucy in that insurance commercial where she's bitching about the fact that everything doesn't cost 5 cents.

"Chase Daniel should cost 5 cents..."

"EVERYTHING CAN'T COST 5 CENTS!"

{pout}

The Franchise 03-14-2013 01:13 PM

Chase Daniel is going to earn his money.

Alex Smith is injury prone as ****.

RealSNR 03-14-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9497877)
Yeah, it's hard to call Daniel an 'overspend'.

The market for backup QBs is what it is. If you want an 'accomplished' backup, you're going to get to spend a fair amount for the privilege.

The days of flipping change from the couch cushions at the Maytag Man are over. Backup QBs cost grown up money now.

The lesson: It's always good to be the quarterback.

It's one thing to spend that kind of money on a veteran like Kerry Collins.

It's another thing to spend that kind of money on a guy who has never started a game in the NFL.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2013 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9497908)
It's one thing to spend that kind of money on a veteran like Kerry Collins.

It's another thing to spend that kind of money on a guy who has never started a game in the NFL.

Alternative phrasing:

"It's one thing to spend that kind of money on an old guy you know has no ceiling. It's another thing to spend that kind of money on a younger guy with some upside."

I'd take Chase Daniel over Kerry Collins every time, and I'm not even a huge Daniel fan.

If Kerry Collins is your QB, your season is over. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. If Chase Daniel is your QB...well your season is probably still over, but it might not be. He actually has some upside to him that might allow you to be pleasantly surprised.

There's nothing but downside to Kerry Collins. With Chase Daniel, you might go from bad to worse (which is fairly irrelevant), but you could also get a nice QB or perhaps a decent trade chip for your efforts.

Rasputin 03-14-2013 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9497012)
Taking a LT might be more risky than taking QB.


The LT is safe pick bullshit needs to end now.

It's not risky at all when you convert him to RT the easy less chance of a bust route.

Mav 03-14-2013 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9497920)
It's not risky at all when you convert him to RT the easy less chance of a bust route.

unless you are jason smith!!!

But there is truth there.

AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9497907)
Chase Daniel is going to earn his money.

Alex Smith is injury prone as ****.

Um, not really he missed almost 2 years with a serious shoulder injury which was way worse than it needed to be because Nolan made him play with it when he needed surgery, other than that he had another minor shoulder tweak which caused Singletary to let Troy Smith start for a few games until everyone realized he wasn't very good and then he had the concussion where he lost his job to Kaepernick. Other than the major shoulder injury he's been pretty durable.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9498217)
Um, not really

Has he ever played 2 full 16 game seasons in a row?

The Franchise 03-14-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9498217)
Um, not really he missed almost 2 years with a serious shoulder injury which was way worse than it needed to be because Nolan made him play with it when he needed surgery, other than that he had another minor shoulder tweak which caused Singletary to let Troy Smith start for a few games until everyone realized he wasn't very good and then he had the concussion where he lost his job to Kaepernick. Other than the major shoulder injury he's been pretty durable.

He's played a full season twice. He's injury prone....reerun.

Buckweath 03-14-2013 02:19 PM

As much as drafting Geno to backup Alex Smith would have been brilliant, another great move would be to trade the #1 pick to another team whom you feel will be real bad next year, for their 1st round pick this year, their 1st next year and more. This way, if Alex Smith flops this coming season, you hopefully have their high pick and the Chiefs 1st round pick to move up and take one of those supposedly elite QB prospects next year.

Jakemall 03-14-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9498249)
He's played a full season twice. He's injury prone....reerun.

Well if you put it like that, it makes perfect sense.

mcaj22 03-14-2013 02:41 PM

"major shoulder injury"

plays QB...


big gulps huh? welp, see ya later!

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9498255)
As much as drafting Geno to backup Alex Smith would have been brilliant, another great move would be to trade the #1 pick to another team whom you feel will be real bad next year, for their 1st round pick this year, their 1st next year and more. This way, if Alex Smith flops this coming season, you hopefully have their high pick and the Chiefs 1st round pick to move up and take one of those supposedly elite QB prospects next year.

If the Chiefs swap with Buffalo, they'd get a Top Ten pick in return next season.

Buffalo is an awful franchise.

AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9498249)
He's played a full season twice. He's injury prone....reerun.

He's the only 49ers qb to ever take every snap in a season. 2005 rookie season didn't play full season because he didn't start right away. 2006 played full season, 2007 shoulder injury, 2008 IR from complications from 07 shoulder injury caused by doctor error, 2009 Shaun Hill opened the year as starter after having a few good games to end previous season Smith is re-inserted as starter after a few games, 2010 Smith has minor shoulder tweak misses one game Troy Smith plays well and idiot Singletary plays him for a few games until re-inserting Alex to starting role, 2011 played full season, 2012 concussion. In 8 years he's had one major injury and 2 minor injuries, I'd hardly say he's injury prone.

Reerun_KC 03-14-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9498340)
If the Chiefs swap with Buffalo, they'd get a Top Ten pick in return next season.

Buffalo is an awful franchise.

:huh:

Man what does that make us????

Easy 6 03-14-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9498334)
"major shoulder injury"

plays QB...


big gulps huh? welp, see ya later!

LMAO

AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9498334)
"major shoulder injury"

plays QB...


big gulps huh? welp, see ya later!

Yup just like why the Dolphins passed on Drew Brees, great decision.

Jakemall 03-14-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotASFHippy (Post 9496369)
Hi KC fans. This is long, but I feel it would be irresponsible for me not to give you a fair warning to your eminent horizon.

Let me preface by saying I'm a Niners fan but I got no beef with your team. Anyone that gets to smack around the raiders (the absolute lowest common denominator of humanity) is OK in my book. You may read that oakland is in a state of revival, that's bull*** - it's always been a s***hole and always will be.

If you're reading this, the Alex Smith trade has gone through.

I post to you with an olive branch in my hand - I'm here only to let you know what your in for.

First things first, Alex Smith is great guy. If he weren't he would have been booted from our team half a decade ago. He is the epitome of class, the nonpareil of locker room integrity, he's dedicated- to the team, to his family and to his community. He always says the right things. Were a bildungsroman to be written of a young man destined for the trials and tribulations of the NFL, Alex Smith is the poster child. He's the kind of dude you want your daughter to marry.

He's also very smart. His wonderlic was very high. He did very well at a mediocre school. I'm not sure what that means. Marino is as dumb as a doorknob, and Joe isn't renown for his intellectual prowess. Stephen Hawking is incredibly smart, but I don't think I'd want him quarterbacking my team (but then again, he knows more than I, so if he could figure out a way to pull it off and win- rock and roll Stevo).

Please KC, don't get mad at the player. I can confidently say that Alex Smith will do everything in his power to bring success to your organization.

The problem is Alex isn't coming to KC to chill, hang out and eat BBQ (of which I'm personally jealous, there's little real BBQ in SF - there's wanna-be- but no real-deal). He's coming out to lead your football team.

KC, you have acquired an enigma.

Is he great? No. Is he really good? Nobody really knows. Has he had moments of greatness? Yes! Are those moments rare? Yes. Can he win a big game? Yes! Can he lose an even bigger game? Yes.

What is he really good at? Well, he's an incredibly conservative passer, he can take a sack better than any QB I've ever seen, and his presence divides a fanbase more than anything I've ever witnessed (I went through the Joe vs. Steve debacle and it was dark, but nothing near the acrimony associated with the AS debate(maybe thats got something to do with the internet or something, IDK)).

There are essentially three camps of folks when it comes to Alex Smith. The Haters (those who believe the dude is a junk QB and whose success is completely dependent on the system and will spare no expense to trash the guy). The 49er Fans (those who care more about the team than any individual player(s) and want everyone to do well). And the Fanboys, a.k.a. the Alex Supporters (a term I find funny b/c when I played sports a supporter referred to something specific that I would personally not want to be associated with).

The Haters were predictable- they were mad for myriad reasons. They would constantly lament at the fact that Smith wasn't Rodgers, took too long in his reads, couldn't hit a receiver in stride, would regularly pass for 5 yards on 3rd and 6, enjoyed throwing the ball above-below-behind a receiver (essentially everywhere except where a proper pass should land), would take a sack rather risk an incompletion, stared down his receivers, had a predilection for check-downs even when folks were wide open downfield, a penchant for getting coaches fired, rarely scanned deeper than 10 yards, became anomic when rattled, had a slow release and a mediocre arm, and has been given more chances than Carter had pills.

The Fans were just happy that the team was finally achieving some success after almost two decades of the suck and could really care less who the QB was as long as we were doing well. A polka-dotted rainbow-skinned hermaphroditic sheep could be the QB and as long as we were winning, we really wouldn't care.

And then there are the Fanboys - a breed upon themselves. They come multiple forms, oldman Fanboys, english Fanboys, juicy Fanboys, Never-Seen-Any-Other QB-play Fanboys. They exhibit a dedication to and fascination of Alex Smith that transcends logic, reason, and accountability. In their mind Smith is incapable of doing anything wrong - he is the unfortunate recipient of bad coaches, players, luck, fans, weather, hell - they've blamed gravity on his low passes. Their favorite stat is Alex's completion percentage (which they consistently confuse with accuracy). In their mind there is no difference between a crappy pass that requires a WR to stop/wait/ or make some otherwise awkward motion and throwing to a receiver so that he can make a play. In their mind Alex came into the league a HOF QB that was held back only by circumstances outside of his purview.

Fanboys also like to use stats to prove Alex Smith is a good/great QB. Has he gotten better? Absolutely. But, it's also like comparing a fresh turd with a 5 year old turd. (Obviously the 5 year old turd isn't as ripe and juicy, and will (in most people's eyes) be a better turd due to it's lack of offense. But, pardon the tautology, poop is still poop (petrified or not). It took a guru to turn the poop into something serviceable). After Kap started playing, Fanboys loved to "prove" that AS was still a superior QB because of his stats. Fanboys went so far to say that AS was a better QB than Manning and Rodgers (if you looked at the stats). Cocaine is a hell'uva drug. So is Alex Smith love.

(An excellent example of this type of blind love is continually exhibited by a particular moderator of a popular 49er fanzone who will ban or warn any poster who says anything critical of his beloved QB, or failing that, shut down any post that doesn't attempt to paste AS in the best light (which are all of them). Don't take my word for it look for yourselves - don't let it happen to your sites).

So, where does that leave you. Look. First things first, Smith is a great guy, maybe one of the greatest. Second, he's a decent QB - I'm not sure of how many training camp QB competitions he's won when the HC didn't load the deck, but he's definitely better now than he was 7 years ago. Third, you got Reid and Reid has a good history with QBs (and I'm sorry, but I can't help this, Reid (lest anyone forgot) is also a descendant of the 49ers). Smith would have never been successful without Harbaugh, and I do think he won't regress markedly under AR. In fact the greatest thing Smith did for the Niners was play just well/poorly enough to where we could acquire Harbaugh. Fourth, it's widely documented that it takes AS 3 years to learn a system- hopefully this isn't true.

He will make brilliant plays, but his inaccuracy will piss off Bowe - we've never had a receiver of the same caliber under AS's tenure, and there has still been a ton of grumbling over the years. But he will also redeem himself in certain circumstances in certain periods of time. He CAN make all the throws, but everything needs to be perfect. He won't rock the ship. He's good enough to always have hope.

I also want to say that his last game vs. the Cards was excellent. It was in, in my mind, his finest game ever. I know the Saints comeback was great, as were a few others, but his last game was by far his most consistent play I have ever seen. At no point did he slump, he finally did hit receivers in stride, stared off DBs, had complete command of the huddle and line-calls, and generally went out and kicked ass. If you guys are getting that Alex Smith you're gonna be stoked. Insofar as it was his last game and last metric to go by, you should have hope. But also beware that for every good game he's put together, there is a stinker waiting around the corner.

I leave you with this. Stay strong, Stay united. You guys have been through a rough year (I feel your pain, we had the same record a few years ago). Call to reason any fan that starts to skew in one direction or the other. Keep dialogue open and beware of powers that want to sway the conversation in one direction or the other. Also beware of moderators who don't believe in the freedom of speech unless it correlates with their own particular universe of reality.

Lastly, if you do see Alex around town- give him your best because you can be confident he's going to do the same for you.

Good luck and Kick the Life out of oak!

You've gone a long way out of your way to take a few shots at some members of another forum.

I agree with most of this...I'd argue this person isn't exactly neutral in his opinion, but it's not far off mark.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9498347)
Listed a bunch of injuries and more missed game seasons than complete seasons to 'prove' how sturdy Alice Smith is .

That is your ****ing response? That dump truck full of shitty excuses?

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AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9498375)
That is your ****ing response? That dump truck full of shitty excuses?

3 injuries in 8 years, I was explaining the circumstances as to why he has only 2 full seasons a lot of it is being jerked around by coaches in a bad organization at the time, not because he's always hurt.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9498405)
3 injuries in 8 years, I was explaining the circumstances as to why he has only 2 full seasons a lot of it is being jerked around by coaches in a bad organization at the time, not because he's always hurt.

so injuries caused 3 of his seasons to go incomplete, would it be fair then to say the other 3 seasons he was pulled for lack of performance? so:

injured: 3 seasons
yanked for suckage: 3 seasons
complete seasons: 2


?

That is your argument?

AlexSmithDynasty 03-14-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9498432)
so injuries caused 3 of his seasons to go incomplete, would it be fair then to say the other 3 seasons he was pulled for lack of performance? so:

injured: 3 seasons
yanked for suckage: 3 seasons
complete seasons: 2


?

That is your argument?

He was in a bad situation with terrible coaches who knew nothing about offense. If you want to shit on the guy who whether you like it or not is your Quarterback for the foreseeable future you can do that. I've watched dude play for 8 years and I wouldn't characterize him as injury prone he hasn't had any serious injuries for the last 5 years, he got jerked around a lot but he was in a bad situation. I hope he does well but you're not gonna hurt my sportsfan feelings we're doing pretty good over here in SF with our world series wins and football team set up to be a dynasty for the next 10 years. Thanks for the 2 2nd rounders though!

OnTheWarpath15 03-14-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9498340)
If the Chiefs swap with Buffalo, they'd get a Top Ten pick in return next season.

Buffalo is an awful franchise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9498349)
:huh:

Man what does that make us????

Great question, considering we've won 29 games in the past 6 years, and Buffalo has won 36 - in a much more difficult division.

Ming the Merciless 03-14-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty (Post 9498492)
you're not gonna hurt my sportsfan feelings we're doing pretty good over here in SF with our world series wins and football team set up to be a dynasty for the next 10 years. Thanks for the 2 2nd rounders though!

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Tribal Warfare 03-14-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9498640)
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Hammock Parties 03-14-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9498636)
Great question, considering we've won 29 games in the past 6 years, and Buffalo has won 36 - in a much more difficult division.

Including, what, 4 of those against us? LMAO

OnTheWarpath15 03-14-2013 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9498658)
Including, what, 4 of those against us? LMAO

LMAO

Yep.

Buffalo is 4-1 against us since 2008, outscoring us 156-78.

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9498636)
Great question, considering we've won 29 games in the past 6 years, and Buffalo has won 36 - in a much more difficult division.

Buffalo hasn't had a single playoff appearance since 1999.

IMO, they suck slightly more.

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9498349)
:huh:

Man what does that make us????


Less awful than Buffalo

OnTheWarpath15 03-14-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9498697)
Buffalo hasn't had a single playoff appearance since 1999.

IMO, they suck slightly more.

How the **** are they supposed to get to the playoffs?

They've had to fight NE and NYJ PLUS the rest of the AFC for a spot.

Winning the division in 2010 was like winning an event at the Special Olympics. I'll spare you the punchline to the joke.

They've won more games in a much, tougher division. Not sure how anyone can say they've been a shittier franchise. Never mind that they've curbstomped us 4 of the last 5 years.

motto1997 03-14-2013 04:07 PM

If Chase Daniels comes in for a snap or two then Alex comes back and throws an incompletion/sack/INT, all the Alex fans will claim and cry that Daniels ruined Alex's CONCENTRATION and RHYTHM!

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9498712)
How the **** are they supposed to get to the playoffs?

They've had to fight NE and NYJ PLUS the rest of the AFC for a spot.

Winning the division in 2010 was like winning an event at the Special Olympics. I'll spare you the punchline to the joke.

They've won more games in a much, tougher division. Not sure how anyone can say they've been a shittier franchise. Never mind that they've curbstomped us 4 of the last 5 years.

Well, the Bills could have started by not firing Wade Phillips after their last playoff appearance in 1999.

They could have hired better coaches (Mike Mularkey, Gregg Williams, Chan Gailey, Dick Jauron), they could have drafted better (Donte Whittner at #8 overall?) or not signed Mario Williams to a $100 million dollar deal or not given Ryan Fitzpatrick a huge extension after winning five games. Oh, and how about not trading Marshawn Lynch?

And those are just off the top of my head.

Hammock Parties 03-14-2013 04:16 PM

Meanwhile the Chiefs could have hired better coaches (Gunther, Herm, Haley, Romeo), could have drafted better (Tyson Jackson at #3?) or not given Matt Cassel a huge extension after winning NOTHING.

It's the same shit in a different bag. I'm guessing the Chiefs would have ZERO playoff appearances since 1999, too, if they played in the AFC East.

OnTheWarpath15 03-14-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9498738)
Well, the Bills could have started by not firing Wade Phillips after their last playoff appearance in 1999.

They could have hired better coaches (Mike Mularkey, Gregg Williams, Chan Gailey, Dick Jauron), they could have drafted better (Donte Whittner at #8 overall?) or not signed Mario Williams to a $100 million dollar deal or not given Ryan Fitzpatrick a huge extension after winning five games. Oh, and how about not trading Marshawn Lynch?

And those are just off the top of my head.

They've made all those mistakes and still won more games than us, and in a much better division.

OnTheWarpath15 03-14-2013 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9498753)
Meanwhile the Chiefs could have hired better coaches (Gunther, Herm, Haley, Romeo), could have drafted better (Tyson Jackson at #3?) or not given Matt Cassel a huge extension after winning NOTHING.

It's the same shit in a different bag. I'm guessing the Chiefs would have ZERO playoff appearances since 1999, too, if they played in the AFC East.

There's no guessing about it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-14-2013 04:40 PM

Why dont we all do ourselves a favor, and stop talking about this one who sucks the penis on THIS, the most Holy of Days; Geno's Pro Day. You're welcome.
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DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9498845)
They've made all those mistakes and still won more games than us, and in a much better division.

Yeah but all I did was answer your question. I wasn't debating the merits of the Chiefs vs. the Bills.

The Chiefs have had ten losing seasons out of the last fifteen, something I brought up last night.

Beeker 03-14-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUte (Post 9495921)
Your mom is calling.

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Beeker 03-14-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496032)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Why the **** should I believe it untill I see it. It's on them the Chiefs to prove it to the fans that they can turn this franchise into a winner and that includes getting us in position to win a Super Bowl. We don't come close to that then it's been a total ****ing waist with Alex Smith. If he does great then hip hoora for him. I can be happy once they prove it but I'm not going set myself up with false hope that they are going be any good with Alex Smith. I'd rather be proven wrong than be proven right.

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BossChief 07-21-2013 06:04 PM

Memories..

-King- 07-21-2013 06:06 PM

Why exactly are you bumping threads?

Hammock Parties 07-21-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9498888)
The Chiefs have had ten losing seasons out of the last fifteen, something I brought up last night.

Good thing we got a QB who has had 5 losing seasons out of 7.

BossChief 07-21-2013 06:12 PM

It's funny to see how quickly people flip flop once a player gets an Arrowhead on his helmet.

-King- 07-21-2013 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9825965)
It's funny to see how quickly people flip flop once a player gets an Arrowhead on his helmet.

Name names.

BigMeatballDave 07-21-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9825965)
It's funny to see how quickly people flip flop once a player gets an Arrowhead on his helmet.

If you look at my posts, you may think I flip-flopped, however, I just decided I was done being angry about it.

It's not healthy, and I cannot control what this team does.

So, I will bury my head in the sand, and hope for the best.

-King- 07-21-2013 06:28 PM

Yeah, even though I really haven't seen anyone flip flop from saying he sucks to saying he's good, I think most people are through being angry with it.

That's where I stand. I didn't like the trade, but it happened 5 months ago. Why be angry still? I'm excited to see how Reid uses him and how this offense runs using the pistol and all the other schemes they're using. Should be a fun year.

Rams Fan 07-21-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9825964)
Good thing we got a QB who has had 5 losing seasons out of 7.

*3 out of 6

Canofbier 07-21-2013 06:39 PM

I have no idea why, but my heart skipped a beat when I saw this thread on the front page. A bit of aftershock, I guess.

Hammock Parties 07-21-2013 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9825986)
*3 out of 6

I'm not sure what you're going on about, but this is clearly 5 losing seasons out of 7.

http://i.imgur.com/4jZk0Ao.jpg

And no, 5-5 doesn't count as a winning record, especially when you suck complete ass in two of the wins.

Rams Fan 07-21-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9825996)
I'm not sure what you're going on about, but this is clearly 5 losing seasons out of 7.

http://i.imgur.com/4jZk0Ao.jpg

And no, 5-5 doesn't count as a winning record, especially when you suck complete ass in two of the wins.

.500 doesn't count as a losing or winning season.

And I ****ed up counting total seasons.

Hammock Parties 07-21-2013 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9826001)
.500 doesn't count as a losing or winning season.
.

It counts as a losing season, because **** Alex Smith.

SAUTO 07-21-2013 06:50 PM

If its not a winning season its a losing season
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Discuss Thrower 07-21-2013 06:52 PM

I guess I've recanted my distaste for the acquisition. I'm on board until Alex proves he's Cassel 2.0.


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