Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9630744)

BREAKING: Geno Smith's conversation with his agent last night leaked.

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 9630761)

Geno mafia has a hit on Tomahawk

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9630792)

Look, I wanted Geno too. I'm not a fan of Alex smith.

But geez, guys. You have one side treating Alex smith like a franchise qbs and another side screaming that all teams made a mistake in order to justify a reach of one full round.

Originally Posted by NorthernWV (Post 9630826)

McShay calls EJ Manuel a "wasted pick"

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9630633)

Part of that is because when the QB gurus were and have been proven wrong they never backed off. They didn't learn any grace from being wrong multiple times while spewing hateful stuff all over the planet over and over. So they will not be given any for they do not deserve it. They didn't earn it because they have shown the same vial behavior to all.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9630852)

"Hateful stuff"

:LOL:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 9630665)

Bullshit. All I ever said was that they shouldn't take him if they weren't sold on him as their franchise guy, and that it was a repeat of 2009 without Stafford, and you asshats were all over me.

And now you look as stupid as you were acting.

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9629915)

No dipshit...do you understand nuance?

If Geno had run a 4.4 he ABSOLUTELY goes in the first round (because god damn look at that freak run!!!)...ignore the fact that he had almost identical measurables to Aaron Rodgers though!!!!

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630869)

Chiefs have the worst history in the NFL wiht QB's. Finally lose enough to put themselves in a position where QBs are usually chosen. Some on here really liked the top QB prospect.


I don't understand why thats such a bad thing I guess. Just happened to be the Chiefs sucked in a year that didn't match up with that.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630895)

The "Genoites" blabbed and fired away all offseason. With last nights events, the anti geno guys were on full force. You knew it was coming.


However, if Geno does infact go on to be a successful QB somewhere other than KC, the "Genoites" will get their day in the sun.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9630904)

The Sanchez Roller Coaster.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9630792)

Look, I wanted Geno too. I'm not a fan of Alex smith.

But geez, guys. You have one side treating Alex smith like a franchise qbs and another side screaming that all teams made a mistake in order to justify a reach of one full round.

Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9630928)

Wouldn't it be funny if he turned in a productive year?

The roller coaster just keeps on the loops.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630952)

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed him a bust and shit player before he even gets drafted.


Oh well.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9630957)

I dont think anybody has done that.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9630866)

Wow, self-centered much? I don't have a crush on you, dipshit.

You weren't around here in the fall when htismaqe and I had to deal with all the dumbasses like BlackBob. It was ****ing awful.

Originally Posted by cockeyes (Post 9630961)

He's not overrated. He's overrated on this website

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9630962)

Have you been paying attention? They absolutely have.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9630485)

I'm actually more upset that we wasted those picks on Alex Smith now. We would have been in a position to get a quarterback today, be it Geno or Barkley. And we'll be in the same exact position a year from now, sitting in the second round, saying "wow, there's a really great player available but we gave this pick up for Alex ****ing Smith."

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9630951)

Oh yea it would be like 2010 all over again.

Sanchez turning it around after the buttfumble season would have to be one of the greatest QB turnarounds of all time though.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630976)

Geno was what he always was. A late first round talent.


Same as Barkley.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9630988)

He's a talented QB that may not be ready to start day 1. For months Geno fans have been arguing to draft him and let him learn behind Alex for a season or two. Him sliding into the 2nd doesn't change that one bit. I still don't think the Chiefs will take him though, even they do get a 2nd from Miami.

Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 9630593)

First round tackles don't win Superbowls. People who draft tackles number 1 overall do it to play it safe and go 8-8, 10-6.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9630989)

I don't think the Chiefs will be taking a QB in the first 4 rounds.....if at all this year.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9630989)

I don't think the Chiefs will be taking a QB in the first 4 rounds.....if at all this year.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630952)

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed him a bust and shit player before he even gets drafted.


Oh well.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9631004)

I'm not sure you can call any of these QBs a bust. They all have talent and could all be very good. There was just no way in hades we were going to take Geno Smith 1.1.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9631014)

If I was Geno, I would show up tomorrow in sweats, bring some Cheetos and pizza, and a little TV to watch the draft. I'd slouch back and put on a team's baseball hat every time their pick comes up. You could get a nation to love you by doing that.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631017)

It could simply just mean that teams don't view these Qb's as day 1 starters, and that's fine. Everyone around here wants to act like all of these QB's are busts because they didn't go in round 1. Pretty funny.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9630640)

That's where our philosophical difference lies. First I don't think Fisher's a stud (or Joeckel or Johnson). I think they're middling prospects available anywhere from 15 to 45 in every draft. Although that's really neither here nor there. Second, I think a 'mediocre,' as you put it, quarterback prospect has more draft value than a good line prospect, because the upside value potential is so much greater. Basically I think positional value is a real and key thing.

Obviously the league disagrees with me, but the league is also slow to change and extremely risk averse. Whereas I have nothing to lose if a player I like doesn't pan out.

And I think everyone is making the same mistake they always make at draft time, judging these picks immediately. You judge these picks in 4 or 5 years, as the players head into their second contracts. If Fisher's an all pro, it turns out that the pick was okay (I don't think I'll ever call it 'great', it's such a meh position to draft #1). If Joeckel or Johnson's a better tackle, then we picked the wrong horse. If Geno never sees the field, the league was right, and if he's a pro bowler, the league was wrong.

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9630995)

the same people who don't understand that football is won in the trenches are the same ones who think a team should throw a bomb on every play.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9631014)

If I was Geno, I would show up tomorrow in sweats, bring some Cheetos and pizza, and a little TV to watch the draft. I'd slouch back and put on a team's baseball hat every time their pick comes up. You could get a nation to love you by doing that.

Originally Posted by opposition (Post 9631037)

I was called a racist mom raper because I said he isn't #1 pick worthy, and not even sure first round worthy. Just thought I'd come back and say boy there really are some genius folk around here. For 1 calling me a racist mom raper. And 2 being right.

I actually think Geno will be a "decent" QB somewhere, but a mom rapist because he isnt #1? C'mon!!!

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630895)

The "Genoites" blabbed and fired away all offseason. With last nights events, the anti geno guys were on full force. You knew it was coming.


However, if Geno does infact go on to be a successful QB somewhere other than KC, the "Genoites" will get their day in the sun.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9631051)

If he doesn't will the "Genoites" admit they are wrong?

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9630996)

Probably not, but If the Qb's continue to slide, we could end up seeing a guy like Bray or Wilson get picked up in the 5th.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631017)

It could simply just mean that teams don't view these Qb's as day 1 starters, and that's fine. Everyone around here wants to act like all of these QB's are busts because they didn't go in round 1. Pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631017)

It could simply just mean that teams don't view these Qb's as day 1 starters, and that's fine. Everyone around here wants to act like all of these QB's are busts because they didn't go in round 1. Pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9631049)

So you're a racist?

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9631051)

If he doesn't will the "Genoites" admit they are wrong?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9631055)

Frankly even if he goes somewhere else and is successful, or goes on to suck, you can't say either they were wrong or right.


Circumstances are different in each place.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9631055)

Frankly even if he goes somewhere else and is successful, or goes on to suck, you can't say either they were wrong or right.


Circumstances are different in each place.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9631061)

Well so far Manuel has been labeled a reach and a bust in the making while pre-draft Geno was a sure fire stud.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9630952)

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed him a bust and shit player before he even gets drafted.


Oh well.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9631055)

Frankly even if he goes somewhere else and is successful, or goes on to suck, you can't say either they were wrong or right.


Circumstances are different in each place.

Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 9631080)

On that note...

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed the Alex Smith trade a bust before he even plays a down for Andy Reid.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631066)

No, because once again, it's not about Geno. It's about the philosophy of developing your own QB. Attacks on Geno Smith are just a deflection for the real issue at hand; the Chiefs are allergic to developing their own QB and so is their fan base.

And you know what? Next year will be a repeat of this year, which was a repeat of last year, which was a repeat of the year before that. The only difference, you'll call us "Bridgwaterites" instead of "Genoites".

Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 9631080)

On that note...

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed the Alex Smith trade a bust before he even plays a down for Andy Reid.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9631086)

So we're supposed to disregard his other 7 years in the league? Okay then.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9631086)

So we're supposed to disregard his other 7 years in the league? Okay then.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631066)

No, because once again, it's not about Geno. It's about the philosophy of developing your own QB. Attacks on Geno Smith are just a deflection for the real issue at hand; the Chiefs are allergic to developing their own QB and so is their fan base.

And you know what? Next year will be a repeat of this year, which was a repeat of last year, which was a repeat of the year before that. The only difference, you'll call us "Bridgwaterites" instead of "Genoites".

Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 9631080)

On that note...

It is a bit funny that we've already deemed the Alex Smith trade a bust before he even plays a down for Andy Reid.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631077)

I don't know if Manuel will be a bust or not, but i do know that Buffalo had the balls to make a move. They understand that you don't win in the NFL with out a Franchise QB.

QB's are crap shoots. Collect them until you find "the one".

Props to Buffalo for at least taking a chance at solving an issue that's plagued them since Jim Kelly.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9630259)

Exactly. I can't tell you how many rude CP Geno loving IDIOTS neg repped me for having the opinion that Geno would not be the first QB taken and that KC should pass on him at all costs and draft another QB if they were to draft one.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9631092)

So we should have drafted Geno at 1.1 just to say we tried.

You guys and your inability to understand that THIS draft has nothing to do with the last 30 are hilarious.

If Reid and Dorsey continue to ignore the QB position then all your hand wringing and moaning will be correct. Fact is the evidence of 1 draft, one round of one draft, doesn't support your whining ass theory.

You guys talk like this would have happened if we had last years #1 pick with that draft class. You continue to look dumber and dumber and dumber making the same statements over and over after the NFL just told you there aren't likely any franchise QB's in this draft.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631117)

I dont care where he is drafted. Hell, i don't even care if it's Geno Smith. I don't know how many times i have to say that for you people to get it.

And the NFL hasn't told anyone anything. Just because the QB didn't go in round one and isn't considered a day 1 starter all of a sudden means that they can't develop into one? Kaep, Wilson and Brees say otherwise.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9631100)

Bullshit.

1. The fanbase here has already talked about Buffalo taking Manuel in the first calling him a reach even though Buffalo tried. They were critical of the pick because Buffalo should have taken Geno whom some on here are madly in love with. The fact that EVERYONE in the first round passed on him is not relevant.

2. Had the Chiefs taken Barkley or Nassib or Manuel at 1.1 most on here would have been livid even though they took a chance on a QB in the first (which is apparently what everyone wanted). Bottom line it was Geno or bust.

3. The acolytes of the Cult of Geno on here would be ecstatic if somehow we traded Albert for pick #54 and landed Geno even though we failed to draft a 1st round QB.

This is all about drafting Geno and Geno alone in round 1. Anything else is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9631117)

I dont care where he is drafted. Hell, i don't even care if it's Geno Smith. I don't know how many times i have to say that for you people to get it.

And the NFL hasn't told anyone anything. Just because the QB didn't go in round one and isn't considered a day 1 starter all of a sudden means that they can't develop into one? Kaep, Wilson and Brees say otherwise.

Originally Posted by opposition (Post 9631109)

I can't believe Alex Smith is better than Geno. Who would've thought? Oh.. Duh. 32 other NFL GENERAL MANAGERS.

But we have had 7 years to diagnose Alex, but General managers don't know anything.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9631100)

Bullshit.

1. The fanbase here has already talked about Buffalo taking Manuel in the first calling him a reach even though Buffalo tried. They were critical of the pick because Buffalo should have taken Geno whom some on here are madly in love with. The fact that EVERYONE in the first round passed on him is not relevant.

2. Had the Chiefs taken Barkley or Nassib or Manuel at 1.1 most on here would have been livid even though they took a chance on a QB in the first (which is apparently what everyone wanted). Bottom line it was Geno or bust.

3. The acolytes of the Cult of Geno on here would be ecstatic if somehow we traded Albert for pick #54 and landed Geno even though we failed to draft a 1st round QB.

This is all about drafting Geno and Geno alone in round 1. Anything else is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9630482)

And Hootie can **** straight off. He rode Geno dick until it became obvious that we weren't taking him.....then Geno was worthless. I don't trust Hootie's evaluation on anyone.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9631121)

Alright lets roll the dice not sign Alex Smith and waste another 2 years of our skill players careers.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9631126)

Not many who wanted Geno at 1 would have batted an eyelash at Barkley at 1. That's been part of the discussion for months.

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9631130)

Oh really? Then explain why the Niners' GM dumped Alex Smith ASAP this offseason. One of the league's smartest front offices couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9631048)

Include a case of Old Milwaukee and you're set.