we had the number one pick in the draft and took a RT. If the Chiefs cupboard was as truly as bare as the Saints were when they had to take Bush, we could have easily taken a Tavon Austin type and been in the same boat.

That fact that there is players at the skill positions where some are proven and some need to start living up to their hype and draft slots, should be enough to tell you Alex Smith has the car keys to have a similar window as Rich Gannon, Trent Green, etc.

I don't ever expect him to Drew Brees our season and playoffs to the Super Bowl, because Alex Smith cannot do that.

Look, you can't be serious as to say it was a good trade for us to give up 2 second round picks for a game manager. Can you?

Why would you defend someone who isn't a franchise quarterback? Why not just admit he's average?

you realize that 2nd round picks are just not all that valuable, right?

Depends on the year.

Two second round picks are extremely valuable compared to a guy who is never, ever going to win a Super Bowl in Kansas City.

This. Will nevar happen. Waste...of...time.

Dumb post is dumb.


Hell yeah second round picks are valuable. By making the right pick you create value with it. Being able to manipulate the draft and use it to trade up for a better prospect in the first adds value to the second round pick. Not having the second round pick ****ing sucks.

What's more likely?

Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl

OR

One of those two second-round picks turns into an above average 10-year starter?

This years draft sucked with out the second round draft pick. Could have got a qb prospect with it and took a chance on one. Still be able to draft a quarterback in next years draft if it looks like another prospect can be even better. For as many years Chiefs neglected the quarterback in the draft wouldn't hurt going back to back years picking first or second round qb draft picks. Have competition & have trade bait to get more picks.


I don't give a shit if this was a bad year for qb prospects they have upside that Alex Smith doesn't have.

Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl.

Ten years is a LONG time in the NFL. The Chiefs haven't drafted a player in the second round that has lasted ten years as a starter since Tim Grunhard (and he sat on the bench his rookie year).

As a matter of fact, Grunhard, Jim Lynch and Charlie Getty are the only second rounders to start for the Chiefs for 10 years in their entire history.

Good God.

As I said on a weekly basis leading up to the draft, Geno Smith wasn't a first round pick, let alone 1.1.

If he hadn't gone to the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL, he may have slid to the third round. Add to the fact that his actions at the draft and subsequently thereafter led to the reason he fell, I have no idea why ANYONE with a brain in their head would still hold a candle for him.

It's Ludacris. Oh, wait. It's Jay-Z.

I still would rather have Geno Smith than ****ing Alex Smith that is all there is to it. Geno Smith has upside that Alex Smith doesn't have. He would have been worth the second round pick. If he fails we still would have next years second round pick available for better options and we could take one in the first round also in next years draft.

I saw good and well what Geno Smith is capable of from college he may may not turn out in the pros but I'd sure give him a shot. If he is a slow learner then take the time with him. He is going make a pretty good quarterback or he wont. It's Ludacris go 30 years neglecting the quarterback in the draft with trying to get a top prospect.

I think Geno Smith needs to have maturity before he starts to get it but if he can mature and grow then he may turn out ok. Who knows right? You nor I know how he is going to turn out in the NFL. It's any ones guess including the scouts. They may know more than I do but watching him play quarterback at WC was pretty impressive and if anything that is what I'd go by.

I don't give a damn what you, SNR, BossChief, Htismaque, or PGM "want".

You were ALL wrong then and you're still wrong today.

As far as NFL talent evaluation is concerned, you're all batting .0000.

Have it your way then. Waist another 4 years on a retread quarterback and not Smiff the Super Bowl.

Like I said we could have drafted a top qb prospect this year AND next years draft to double our chances to getting it right.

None of this years quarterbacks have played a single down in the NFL so don't tell me I'm wrong for a couple more years yet. Give me three years to see if Geno Smith was worth a second round pick. I don't expect him to be great this year but I'd expect him to have a learning year.

Dumb

Dumber.

You wanted Smith at 1.1. The guy wasn't viewed as a first rounder, let alone 1.1 and was drafted at 39 by the most dysfunctional team in the league.

You were wrong. Plain and simple.

He may become a great QB but it's much more likely that he will not. And finally, there's no room in today's NFL to take a QB at 1.1, only to sit him for a year.

We just don't believe in the same things. So I can say you are dumb too. Both of us are not wrong or right until they play the game. If Geno Smith can win with the Jets in the next 2 to 3 years and make his team playoff winners then Well **** you. If not then **** me.

Geno Smith would have been fun to watch in red uniforms with Arrowhead stickers on the helmets. A HELL of a lot more fun than Alex Smith.

**** your Got damn 30 years of mediocrity that's all you live for. JHC that's ****ing dumb.

Believe? Are you incapable of admitting that you were WRONG?

You were WRONG. He wasn't a first rounder, let alone worth 1.1.

Wake up. Stop with the nonsense.

The NFL and all of its GM's, coaches and scouts disagreed with your and your "Mafia's" evaluation.

If you can call it that.

LMAO

I wasn't aware that I was president of the Chiefs or the CEO or the GM.

Where are the checks?

How can I be wrong when they haven't played a full season yet? NFL teams are right all the time? That is a joke then why did Tom Brady drop to the sixth round? ****

:facepalm:

So, you're denying that you actively advocated for Smith at 1.1?

I would have been ecstatic if we had drafted Geno Smith 1.1 & I'd be thrilled about it today.


I'm not denying I wanted Geno Smith with our first pick of the draft.


If it worked out that we got Geno Smith with our second round pick and not gave it up to Alex Smith I'd be also ecstatic and pleased that they took a chance on a quarterback with an early pick.

Then, once again, YOU WERE WRONG.

The NFL disagreed with your "evaluation".

Just stop.

We are going round and round with this lol. I don't care if the NFL disagrees with me or even if the majority of Chiefs Planet disagrees with me. It would have been kick ass to draft a quarterback with our first or second round pick of the draft. A top prospect would have been great. I just happen to think Geno Smith was the best out of this bunch and no this wasn't a great class of quarterbacks. They are still prospects with upside greater than Alex Smith.

Hell I would have been happy to pick E.J. Manuel with our 1.1 pick if the Bills had enough convection to pick him at 8 then maybe he would have been worth our first. We couldn't get any trade offers to trade back.

I think what hurt Geno Smith stock the most is that he didn't show up to the senior bowl and NFL coaches wanted to see him there. There wasn't a clean cut number one quarterback and him not being there really made him drop. I think that is why the Chiefs went ahead and took Alex Smith at the time they did making it known to the public before the combine was over.

Geno Smith hasn't done himself any favors in that regards. I think he has taken bad advise but he is still a workable guy and I think he is eager to learn. We will see if he has what it takes or not. I very well could be wrong about him and not afraid if I am wrong to admit it. He just hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself yet for a full season or the next 5 seasons to see if he got any better or not. Give him time like all the draft prospects ge the time to prove themselves or not.


Eli Manning sure wasn't lighting fires when he got his start in the league.

Just how smart are these NFL scouts and GMs? Tim Tebow, Blain Gabbert, Brady Quinn & yet they all pass up a Tom Brady. The draft is full of pros and cons or boom or bust type players and you just don't know until they prove what they really are worth when they play on the grid iron. Teams are wrong all the ****ing time or they wouldn't be picking 1.1 & don't say this GM Dorsey and Andy Reid are any smarter or Andy Reid wouldn't have been fired and Dorsey is still a question mark at GM. He has to learn the job for the Chiefs.

How the **** is that dumb, you asshat? It's the truth. Alex Smith isn't going to do a GODDAMN THING in terms of getting this franchise to a Super Bowl.
I swear, you live in a ****ing fantasy world where Alex Smith is a legit first-rounder and Reid is still a top coach in this league. It's ****ing embarrasing, Dane.

Please....STOP.

Ah, ah, ah......STOP.

To be fair. Brees couldn't do that either before he hit New Orleans.

Do what

Win games "by himself"

thats because he was never given the green light with his arm playing under Martyball with Cam Cameron as his OC

and he still was able to throw for 3000 yards and 20+ touchdowns


same with Flacco, Cam Cameron gets fired and Joe Flacco carries that team with his arm in the playoffs


Alex Smith doesnt have an arm like Brees or Flacco never has and never will

There's a difference between the NFL disagreeing with your evaluation and being wrong.

Drew Brees is a great example. I didn't think he was a first round pick. The NFL agreed with my evaluation. As it turns out all these years later, we were both wrong.

LMAO

You're a real genius. Draft a guy a 1.1 that's rated by everyone else in the league as no better than a second rounder.

Draft a guy at 1.1 that acts like a cry baby at the draft, them fires his agent.

Draft a guy a 1.1 just because he's a QB.

:facepalm:

Dumb.

weren't you one of the "tyler bray is going in the first" advocators ?

A lot of NFL pundits think the Jets made a poor choice taking GS that early. I was one of the guys on this board calling for the team to go with BA and take GS 1.1, BUT I also acknowledged this was going to be a big reach because I felt GS was no better than a 2nd round QB talent and since the Chiefs had no 2nd, I'd be okay with getting him 1.1... The lacking talent at the top of this draft was another reason I was for it.

I'd still like to see Reid paired with GS here, it can still happen -- I have little faith he will stick in jetsville. the fans/media are going to roast him and the team will either trade or cut sometime after a season or two.

Geno Smith isn't Drew Brees.

Brees fell because of his height and that he came from the spread (and if you'll recall, I was a very vocal proponent of Brees).

Smith had no such concerns. His questions stemmed from his lack of maturity and decision making on the field. To date, he hasn't done anything to squelch those concerns.

I had never said anything about Tyler Bray. I'm not that familiar with him so I try not talk about him much. I can't tell you if he is better than Stanzi or not, but I am looking forward to preseason to find out.

You're making an assumption based on a personal bias. You can't possibly know at this point what Geno Smith will be. As big a fan as I was, I don't know what Geno Smith will be at this point, either.

The rest of what you said...... is irrelevant because the point I was making is that a player's value will ultimately stem from what he does on the field, not because of what you, me or anybody else thinks about him before, during or the summer after the draft.

And the point remains, that regardless of why he fell, Drew Brees fell. So the NFL was wrong.

(Personally, I think Geno Smith will end up doing nothing because he went to what I believe was the worst possible place for him to go. But in the end, only time will tell...)

Please point out where I advocated for Alex Smith or stated he'd win a Super Bowl.

Asshat.

Oh, and my sperm are smarter than you.

I see the girls are still arguing over who is prettier.

That would actually be the Fitness thread

:D

Who did you want the Chiefs to get for our QBotf?

No one in this draft.

I mentioned on several occasions that Tyler Bray had the best upside but that he wouldn't be around in the later rounds.

I was wrong. He went undratfed. And signed with the Chiefs.

Then who? That is what I am asking. Who could we have got you wanted other than Alex Smith or draft pick?

Let me say this about the Alex Smith trade...

Players arent signed or traded for based on what they have done rather what they can do for you in the future. Andy Reid knows more about QBs than ANYONE ON THIS SITE and sees SOMETHING in Alex that he thinks he can work with.

Alexs 2011 season was ok and last year he was on pace for over 25 touchdown passes before the concussion...while not turning the ball over and completing 70% of his passes.

If Andy can keep Alex progressing at a similar rate as he has the last two seasons, we may have gotten a steal.

If he cant, we will be in position to draft his replacement in the next two drafts.

If they brought in Alex Smith as a stop gap QB I wouldn't be near as upset. They gave up a second round and could give up a second round in next years draft. That is not a stop gap quarterback. I don't give a shit what Andy Reid sees in Alex Smith, he couldn't keep Mike Vick from being turnover machine or healthy & on the field. The only great success Andy Reid has had was with Donovan McNabb.

I can get over this Alex Smith shit if we draft a QB with our first pick in next years draft. Reality is that we wont.

The point is that Smith and Brees couldn't be more different in terms of personality.

I do not know what Geno Smith will become but other than sliding into the second round, the parallels end there for me.

I think it's relevant.

These guys have been more scrutinized than suspected terrorist are by the NSA. They undergo massive physical and psychological examinations. They are poked and prodded to see how they react.

I didn't see E.J. Manual at Florida State but I saw him in the Senior Bowl. I watched interviews with him pre and post draft. I have no idea how he'll perform in the NFL but what I saw and heard was a smart, confident young man and leader. He'd been tested in college and by his mother's illness. He made me a believer in his ability to lead.

Geno Smith was nearly the exact opposite. Mopey, dopey and lacking confidence and more importantly, charisma. His actions at the draft and post draft have proven that the red flags raised prior to the draft weren't far off the mark.

This isn't to say that he won't become a good starting NFL QB, but with all of his question marks, he wasn't deemed worthy of a first round draft choice, let alone 1.1.

And if he can't overcome the adversity in New York, he probably wouldn't survive anywhere. Being starting NFL QB is a difficult task in any city.

Just ask Brees, Rivers, Romo, Rothlisbeteger and even Flacco.

I'd have to go back to the 2001 draft but IIRC, there were very few teams in need of a starting QB. The most egregious mistake was of course made by the Chiefs. But talent evaluators definitely missed.

But those misses are becoming rarer with each year.

If you can make it in New York City, you can make it anywhere. But I agree that it's probably a worst-case scenario for him, which IMO, only further enhances the fact that he's not a bonafide Franchise QB that should have been selected #1 overall.

His best landing spot would have been cities like Tampa, Jacksonville and Phoenix, cities without a passionate, die hard fan base.

IMO, he would have been a disaster in KC, especially with the Jay-Z deal. The guy would have been talk show fodder for months before he even stepped on the field and sitting him would have only made matters worse.

Alex Smith was the best QB available, period.

In this case I disagree just because the potential in some draft prospects even in this weak class is > than Alex Smith. I would have been happy with getting Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, or E.J. Manuel with a first or second round draft pick.

Still keep our picks for next year & take a close look at this years prospects to see if we can get another prospect that we can build a future around. Creating a real quarterback competition and see who can win out and go with. It sure the **** wouldn't hurt us any & have better chance for something long term.

Carl Peterson did not believe in drafting a starting QB. Pioli believed he could turn Cassel into Tom Brady.

Both are gone.

Reid and Dorsey saw nobody that interested them in this draft and so took the best available fit for their offense.

That is all that has happened. To draw more conclusions from what has happened so far is silly.

Based on what, exactly? For the record, EVERYONE that actually WORKS in the NFL or was a media member and on-air talent evaluator, disagreed.

Good God.

:facepalm:

Matt Barkley fell to the fourth. Tyler Wilson fell to the Fourth. E.J. Manuel went in the first round. Your "happiness" would have meant overdrafting (and in the case of Manual, not even available).

You cannot create a QB competition in which there is no competition. You have admitted repeatedly that Geno Smith, if he were to be drafted, should sit on the bench and "learn".

So, if he's sitting on the bench, what type of "competition" is he providing?

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;9774426]

Geno Smith was nearly the exact opposite. Mopey, dopey and lacking confidence and more importantly, charisma. His actions at the draft and post draft have proven that the red flags raised prior to the draft weren't far off the mark.

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Don't get me wrong, I can totally understand why his stock drop in the draft. Geno Smith didn't do himself any favors leading up to the draft and him not doing the senior bowl really hurt too. That said, the Chiefs wanted Alex Smith before the combine and they were up ready to make a deal so they didn't put stock into Geno Smith from evaluations because they had their quarterback or was getting him via trade with the 9ers. Chiefs were wanting Alex Smith before the combine. IMO they gave up too much to get him.

I do think some how Geno Smith got a bad rap & made himself look worse is just how it happened for him. He needed to do better against Kstate and other teams he struggled with. So I get why he drop in the draft. I still would have been happy with getting Geno Smith for his talent and ability as a quarterback that he shown in college. He is elusive with great pocket awareness and can make all the throws. His TD INT ratio was pretty damn good. I think he is a kid that can learn and find success by creating opportunity to prove himself. It's going take time for him.


Geno Smith would have been fun to watch as a Chief. It's not going be fun to watch Alex Smith but he is who we got.

Well, in my defense, I thought it was insane the price tag that the Chiefs gave up to get alex smith. ONE second rounder, I would of been like, oh, okay, they over paid a little bit, but I guess you had to. But, a second, which just happened to be the second pick in the second round, and a conditional 3rd, that becomes a two if the chiefs win 8 games? So. essentially two seconds. Of course it was a good trade. The qbs on the Chiefs last year turned the ball over, 37 TIMES. that's not an exaggeration. 37. What is alex smiths one on the FIELD superiority to just about every other qb in the league? HE DOESNT TURN THE BALL OVER. Stats show that if you win the TURNOVER BATTLE, your chances of winning, increase to about 69%. That alone, is worth a second round pick. The other fact that makes this a good trade, is that the Chiefs, DIDNT EXTEND HIM. He has a very cap friendly contract, that if he sucks this year, and you cut him before the new league year starts, his cap hit, is nearly nothing, and you lose nothing but a 3rd rounder this next season. If he does well, but not well enough, you surrender the 2nd, draft a qb, sit him for a year behind alex smith, and chase Daniel, alex leaves the following season, with your qbotf ready to take over. Its a beautiful trade all the way around.......
Neither. Only two qbs per year, lead their teams to the super bowl, meaning that 30 qbs go home with their dicks in their hand. It would be more logical to say something like this. Is it more logical, that in the next two seasons, that one of those seconds, if it even ends up being a 2nd, and not a 3rd, becomes a pro bowler, or does alex smith lead the chiefs to the playoffs. That's much more realistic. With that scenario, I would take Alex Smith. Who in their right mind would take the other.
How do you know? How do you know it wouldn't of been a train wreck from the word go. If you didn't trade for Alex Smith, you would of still had Matt Cassel, who probably would of gotten hurt, and forced Geno Smith in to early, and his career would of been over before it got started.
Well, if you don't believe in your coach, then really, the players are irrelevant. At this level, it starts, and ends with coaching. But glad to know that a coach who has a proven track record, you know, of 5 straight nfccg;s and a super bowl appearance, and a proven track record of knowing how to build a franchise from the bottom to the top, has zero chance at success with your chiefs. That's OUTSTANDING LOGIC.
There is a shit ton of fail in this post. The reason that Drew Brees struggled initially in San Diego, is because they had NO TALENT AROUND HIM other than LT at the start. They didn't have Gates at the beginning, they were the WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, they had a defensive head coach......Much like what alex smith went through in San Francisco. I do laugh at the notion that you put drew brees arm in the category of Joe Flacco. That's hilarious as hell. Truth be told, Alex Smith, and Drew Brees have very comparable arms. What sets them apart is Drew Brees, is a top 3 qb in the league, at creating time in the pocket, using his slight mobility to manipulate said pocket. he is also the master of the check down, has zero problems with checking the ball down to Darren Sproles or Pierre Thomas, but can also pin point the ball anywhere. But, he does NOT have superior arm strength.......
Best post in the thread. It sums it up. The chiefs are in the drivers seat if alex succeeds, or fails....
At this point, how is Alex Smith, anything but a stop gap? He is on a two year contract, at 8 mil a year, which if you haven't noticed, is less than HALF of what Flacco, Romo, Rodgers, Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton mannings contract are. In fact, its about average, where someone of his skill level should be. They didn't extend him. And there is a reason that he didn't try to trade for Mike Vick, there is a reason he didn't pick up Kevin Kolb, or trade for Carson Palmer, or get Matt Flynn, or just suck it up, and draft a qb. There are reasons for that. The chiefs clearly showed that they are serious about building the team. They were very aggressive in free agency, they were very cerebral in their draft. Everyone thought they were taking Joeckell, they didn't, they took the player with the higher upside. They filled just about every hole on the team, including upgrading the qb situation, which under the circumstances, and year, was the best they could do. And no, if Alex Smith plays well, and the chiefs are in the playoffs, of course they wont draft a qb in the first round. Why would they? Im sure that would just suck for chiefs fans everywhere. A season that isn't all but finished by the end of November. Pity.

Who....

the ****...

ever said that Geno Smith was Drew mother****ing Brees? One thing and one thing ALONE is certain and true as we stand today:

Geno Smith = Unknown commodity.

Alex Smith = Well known and MEDIOCRE AS **** commodity.

So there's that.

If you wanted a new turd to replace the old one, yes.

Oh, and Bray "was your guy for development all along"?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO **gga' PLEASE.

Your sperm need Special Ed.

Yesterday.

You are an absolute moron. You know absolutely ZERO about the NFL and player personnel evaluations. The Bad Guy has frequently called out your dumb posts as well.

The nonsense you've posted has NOTHING to do with the conversation at hand. It's just more moronic babbling from a dumb person that fails to realize he's clueless.

Great response, dipshit. Now, tell me how I have failed to answer your ludicrous bullshit, Mr. Homer?

Who gives a **** how much I may or may not know about what makes an NFL scout wet? I know you well enough, and I know you are WRONG.

That works for me just fine.

I'm having a hard time believing the geeeno smiff hype is still present on this board. They have to be trolling you at this point. There is just no sane reason to stand behind the pick at 1.1 or even 2.2. We got better value and just as much upside with an undrafted QB this year.

matt stafford, Andrew Luck, other impossible options of course.

How am I wrong? Aren't I the guy that's said, all along, that Geno Smith was not a first rounder QB, not a Franchise QB and was not worthy of 1.1?

Yes, I am that guy.

You, on the other hand, are a loudmouthed follower. You don't have a single opinion of your own; you just hop on whatever bandwagon around here is the loudest.

You're a disgrace. You're a liar, you're a cheater and Doomy3 owns your ass.

Oh, and my sperm are smarter than you.

ROR didn't get the memo from GoChiefs. He must have forgot to C.C. him.

Homer? LMAO

First off, please link me to ANY post I've made advocating Alex Smith. Here's a hint for your drug-riddled brain: It doesn't exist.

Secondly, you and everyone of your "kind" were absolutely and ridiculously WRONG about how the NFL scouts, GM's, owners and even media prognosticators viewed Geno Smith.

WRONG.

But then again, being wrong is a way of life for you.

Are you this dumb in real-life too?

That's YOUR opinion, which has proven time and time again, to be wrong.



Um, please perform a search, Drugstore Cowboy. Even as far back as August 2012, I thought Bray had potential as a QB of the future in the NFL. Now, I didn't feel he was worthy of 1.1 or even a first rounder due to his maturity issues and age (although Claynus or whatever his moniker at the time disagreed), that's how I felt.

I've mentioned several times this year that Bray in the third-fifth round would be a nice acquisition but I also didn't believe he'd be available that late. So in that regard, I was wrong because he went undrafted.

Why?

The same maturity and age issues that I had about him back in August 2012.

Moron.

I roam the board like a Lion on the hunt while Dummy3 cowers in the shadows; who owns who, mother****er?

Dumb? Please point out where what I said was "dumb".

You live in a drug-addled fantasy world.

EVERYONE owns you.

LMAO Opinion???? That's a goddamned FACT. FACT, Dane.

Jesus; I hope your children turn out smarter than their old man.

It is, eh? Then if Geno Smith was such an "unknown commodity", why in the world would you pimp him for #1 overall for months on end? I know why: Because all the "cool" kids said so.

With each successive post you prove that you're even dumber than expected.

It's useless to talk to Sweet daddy.

He's the worst poster on this site.

I do as well.

But the fact remains is that my sperm are smarter than you.

Dane.

I read all of your posts in this thread.

And then I was like...

holy shit, he LITERALLY took the words out of my mouth.

Like whoa. You have to realize you are arguing with KC Tattoo and ROR, though. They are literally two of the dumbest people on this board. And that's not a mean comment. I mean they are just dumb.

What part of "has not played a snap in the NFL" versus "has played for years in the NFL, and has been thoroughly weighed?

What part do you not ****ing get, Stymie?

Do I need to break out the ****ing MS Paint today?

The worst part is that he shouldn't even BE on this site.

But he's a liar, a cheat and has zero honor. He should be ashamed of himself but instead, he wears it like a badge of honor.

In short, he's a moron.

That's your argument?

Good God.

:facepalm: