Are you right or left handed? Whichever you are, use your other one to write with. Pretty hard, right? That was Fish last year. Now use your normal hand to write with. Much easier, right? That will be Fish this year. Id bet he's better at doing what he's used to.

+ 1

I also think they will be hoping to trade the first pick this year, hoping to get a couple 2nd rounders and a later rounder.

How much better? He was downright awful at times last year. It only takes 1 whiff to end Alex Smith's season...

I'm excited to see him at LT. Let's see what the kid can do...

He was not nearly as bad the second half of the year as people want him to be.

And he was a guy we knew was raw, entering into a shortended practice schedule, and on top of that had to learn to play on the complete opposite side of the ball. And an area where his strength was more im portant than his feet. We don't know what we have in this kid. But I'd like a full offseason with him dedicated to his natural position to find out.

Give me a break. Fine motor movements = movements you make to play LT/RT

Yes, the coordination IS a challenge, but there are tons of players who switch sides all the time. Donald Stephenson is just one example. Remember John Tait's transition to RT? It was pretty decent. Charles Brown for the Saints. Bryan Bulaga for the Packers. The list goes on and on.

Look at those gifs from that post and tell me the reason why Fisher gets raped on each play is because he was confused and hesitant. He gets bowled over right on his goddamn ass. And it happened constantly throughout last year.

The position switch is a contributor to his struggles last year, but it's not the only thing. He struggled because he played like a pussy. That's overwhelmingly why he sucked dick.

The reason why he could potentially be okay next year is MAYBE 10% being more comfortable on the left side. The rest of it is going to be a new familiarity with the pace of the game, the playbook, and the different types of varied pass rush moves he saw for basically the first time last year. Also a year in the weight room is going to help out tremendously.

But the whole left side/right side thing is and has always been blown out of proportion. It's tough. I get that. But when you have an entire offseason of reps and one-on-one time with coaches in OTAs and training camp and even in regular season practices, there comes a time when the excuses of "I'm just so used to kick-stepping with my left leg first" are ****ing unacceptable.

You don't get a full offseason of reps. The new CBA has significantly shortened the amount of reps rookies get in OTAs and with coaches. For a raw player from a small division, let alone one changing from Left to Right Tackle, that shit makes a huge difference.

When he grows into his frame, he will be tops.

And plays a position where the frame is a little less important. Poe went through a monster change in conditioning in one offseason and I'm guessing Fisher will too.

SNR is right.

Fisher sucked last year because he was a soft, clueless pussy. If he shakes that he has a chance.

He wasn't GOOD either.

He was the 1st overall pick.

Get that "raw player from a small division" shit outta here.

There is SOME validity to the left/right side thing...but I was there at camp and watched him get his ass WHOOPED in 1on1 drills against just about everyone. In these drills, position isn't a factor, but his lacking core strength and upper body strength were glaringly evident.

That guy the Jags cut (and we ended up cutting) just beat Fisher consistently.

I think Fisher has a chance to be a very good left tackle IF HE IS TAKING THIS OFFSEASON SERIOUSLY AND SHOWS UP TO OTAS WITH ANOTHER 15 POUNDS OF MUSCLE.

If he shows up not VISABLY bigger and stronger, I think we might be in deep shit.

Exactly.

All we heard all offseason was how we shouldn't take a QB because none of them are ready to step right in and start/lead a team.

But somehow it's okay for an offensive linemen.

Silly ass double standards.

You're this regime's Rufus Dawes, aren't you?

Fisher was a shitty dildo last year, but he's switching sides so we should expect an all pro performance.

Sound logic.

To an extent, I can understand that logic.

Every single scout out there said Fisher has rare tools to be a premier LEFT tackle at the NFL level.

I mean, the guy could be the Robert Gallery of this generation, but I sure hope not.

Surely he'll get a little better in his 2nd year.

And you're this regime's Eeyore.

I'm sorry that if I don't blindly jump off cliffs because a guy struggles in his first season. I hated the pick. I still do. And I don't think he's an elite Left Tackle. I laid out plenty of reasons why he may be better but have never said he's a guaranteed success. I'm sorry if even the smallest hint of optimism smells like farts to you.

And you have to stop obsessing about where he was picked. He was a terrible 1.1. He's never going to live up to the draft position. Once you get that out of your mind you'll realize it's way too soon to realize what he's got. Especially when you think of all the things stacked against him. Small school, incredibly shortened practice schedule, forced to switch positions and play extremely undersized.

85% of this kid's problem was that he was simply not strong enough.

Dorsey told him to put on weight and hit the gym. I guarantee you he's doing that shit right now and has been ever since the season was over.

Time will tell. We'll find out next year.

He was completely lost.

He's got guys that are 280 lbs JUKING him right off the line.

He's bull rushed over.

He's slapped and pushed.

He was beaten every way a man can be beaten short of prison seggs...

Man one season and he'll never live up to his potential. But this place sings stephensons praises after 3 years as a back up and a handful of ok starts.

The beginning of the season he looked flat out terrible. He improved in the middle of the season but looked terrible... that's going to happen to any rookie who squares off against JJ Watt, Von Miller twice, the Colts and Browns' solid defensive lines. At the end of the season, he looked like an ok player.

Of course he has to start playing a shitload better. But he did improve and he wasn't "terrible" at the end of the year. I've already mentioned lots of legit reasons why he could be better next season. And they are pretty big things.

Color me *shocked*


/sarcasm

If the SOLE reason he struggled last year was because he was playing out of position, what does that say about Andy Reid as a coach?

There's no way to pretty this up and make it not be a steaming pile of shit.

Either the GM didn't scout the right guy, the coach put him in a position to fail, or the player just isn't that good...

I'm not going to forget it.

It was the only 1.1 we've EVER had. That we wasted it on Eric Fisher is not something that should ever be forgotten.

I hate the pick too. He's never going to live up to the pick.

But he's on the team now. We have to start evaluating him as a player, not as the 1.1. As a player he improved quite a bit and has a ton of upside. He'll never live up to the 1.1, but there's lots of reasons to think he will continue to improve a lot as a starter.

It's also possible Andy Reid thought he needed a year befoer putting him on the blind side, especially given the shortened offseason practice schedule. He wasn't the only coach to move a LT to RT. Either that or blame Dorsey for botching the Albert trade.

Now you're talking about the future. That's fine.

Before you were talking about the PAST. And lining up 400 ****ing reasons why the guy sucked last year. I don't want to hear the excuses. He was the 1st overall pick. The excuses don't jive.

So put him on the right side and watch him fail? People talk all the time about sitting QBs so as to not "damage their psyche" but it's ok to do it with Fisher?

The double standards here are ridiculous.

this, well said

If you've given up on Fisher already, who was drafted on potential to develop, #1 overall in a shit stain of a prospect draft class, then you've already given up on Dorsey and Reid and the evaluations they've made. If you are, fine, but I'm not there yet.

If they were dead set on taking Fisher at 1, thee was no excuse not to get SOMETHING for Brandon Albert.

Once they knew they couldn't trade Albert, there was NO EXCUSE to not trade down...or take another player at 1.

I don't think anyone has "given up" on Fisher...but I CAN say that guys taken first overall NEED to flash the ability to play at a high level even as rookies.

I'm not sure i saw that out of Fisher.

If you truly believe that we should put QBs out there to fail early (I do), then we shouldn't be throwing bust labels at guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Fisher who are learning their way on the field in the first season. For as much as this fan base, both the homers and the critics, talk about taking chances we are way too risk averse.

Nobody ever called Poe a bust.

The guy flashed top end ability pretty quickly.

I didn't and never will understand why people think the true grade on a rookie, regardless of what position or where taken in the draft, is dependant on how they play in their rookie season. That's the kind of conversation that leads to safe picks, which is what Pioli was the king of.

I am not excusing Fisher's bad play last year. I am pointing out reasons why there's a good chance it's not representative of his actual skill set.And again, they aren't small reasons at all.

Pretty sure they could have traded Albert if they wanted to.

I believe the rumors right after the Chiefs picked Fisher was that the Dolphins were like the only team in talks and that they were offering a 3rd, but Dorsey was holding out for a 2nd.

But at least we'll get a 3rd round comp pick next year!

How they handled the Albert/first pick scenario was terrible wasting of resources.

It's like having 2-3 bananas that are ripe and going out and buying more bananas and eating them first and letting the older ones go bad and end up throwing them away when you are on a very limited income.

Exactly like Bruce Mathew's first season...He was a low 1st round pick himself, with a lot of expectations, and he was flat out terrible year 1. Mathews has stated many times that Fish has everything to become an excellent LT. He knows a bit about the subject and situation. I for one believe him. However, I understand how many folks wouldn't.

Please. Throughout the season there was a nonstop bitchfest about how dumb the Chiefs were for taking a guy who flashed nothing in Memphis. The "bust" label may not have been thrown out as much, but the majority of posters on CP hated the pick all of last year.

A lot of posters didnt like the pick until the guy got on the field.

By mid season as a rookie, he was already playing at starters level and by years end was making plays.

That didn't stop people from bitching. The majority of people still hated the pick. It wasn't until this preseason that people started to change their minds. I know, because I was one of the few that defended the pick from day 1 (different from Fisher, where I've criticized the pick from day 1)

I think all players should play. I've never been a fan of sitting players.

But the same people here that make excuse after excuse for a guy like Fisher are the ones that say we should sit a QB and let him learn behind a veteran.

It's all the same message - just win 9 games and make the playoffs. "Give me hope."

It's all BS.

I don't remember it going down like that at all.

Sorry.

I dont even recall people hating the pick.

I recall a bunch of people just wondering why the Chiefs couldn't have traded down to the late teens/early 20's and making the same pick while adding more draft picks.

Because it was a shit draft and no one wanted to move up.

Are you serious? Trades were happening left and ****ing right that draft.

In fact, Seattle traded the pick right after ours to go down 3 spots and added a 4th and 6th round pick.

Fisher also played with a severely hurt shoulder and hand all year. That's not easy.

All he wanted was a number...

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No one wanted 1.1. Why the **** would they?

He's talking about the Poe draft.

I know jd1020 was talking about 2012, but even this is bullshit.

The Raiders traded down from #3 overall. We could have easily done the same with the Dolphins and made Branden Albert a part of the deal.

Show me where I have ever been critical of Fisher.
I've been critical of Dorsey for picking Fisher, but not of Fisher himself.

The Rufus Dawes comment is about you and the way your every post in every thread is defending every thing the Chiefs are doing.

I feel like I'm at a sewage facility and you're trying to tell me that smell in the air is chocolate.

You guys have very selective memories.

No freaking kidding man. At least admit you hated the pick and wanted to see him do more. I can at least do that.

Give me a ****ing break.

Except that I hated the Fisher pick from day 1
I was critical of overpaying Bowe and others, and I called the chiefs out for looking inexperienced shopping our 1.1 and albert
I have never praised last year's draft. In fact I've said it doesn't give much confidence in a draft first strategy, even if I think that's the right direction
There were only a handful of people lukewarm on the Reid hiring. I was and still am one of them.

I'm sorry if those negative comments means I should join the herd and be unreasonably critical of Fisher, even if I didn't and still don't like the pick. I'm sorry if liking the strategy this year, even after hating it last year and having low confidence that we will execute effectively on the strategy is confused with endless sunshine and optimism.

Claiming I'm a mouthpiece for the organization is laughable.

And a lot of people that are saying, "Look at Poe! Chiefs Planet was wrong about him!" don't quite remember just how ****ing awful he looked in his college game tape. Just being right about something in the end doesn't mean the people who thought it was a terrible idea are stupid.

If you've got a job and your boss says he's going to have to make some layoffs to afford the new employee insurance that protects against Godzilla, you'd think he was pretty dumb, right? Well, let's say 6 months later, Godzilla wrecks shit around the city. Are you going to chuckle to yourself and say, "Welp, that's why he's got his job and I've got mine lol!"

Here's another good example: Anthony Sherman. Everybody thinks Dorsey was a genius for making this trade. Even though the trade was netting us a ****ing FB when we had JUST drafted one in the 6th round, had a 7th round FB from the year before, and were just about to pick up a promising rookie free agent FB. To make matters worse, that trade was at the expense of Javier Arenas, who wasn't anything special but at least he was SOMETHING in terms of CB depth. Dorsey looked at the depth behind Flowers and Smith, saw Jalil Brown, Dunta Robinson, and Vince ****ing Agnew, and said, "Yep. Looks good. We'll be fine" and made the ****ing trade anyway.

The ONLY goddamn reason why the trade wasn't a disaster was because one of the two CBs (Smith) was healthy all year and because we just found Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker sitting in a dumpster a full four months after Dorsey pulled the trigger like a ****ing moron on that trade.

Because the trade worked out doesn't mean Dorsey could see things that we couldn't. He had no ****ing clue that Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker would be available. Not one damn clue. And if you want to tout that he was a brilliant judge of Anthony Sherman's talent, then why the **** did he piss away a 6th round pick on Braden Wilson only to basically pronounce his death sentence less than 3 days later by making the Sherman trade?

Sometimes GMs do really ****ing stupid shit and then get rewarded for it. That's just a part of this game. All GMs do it. Pioli had it happen on multiple occasions. The problem is it's just so ****ing hard for CP members to grasp the incredibly simple concept that just because a situation works out in the end doesn't mean it was a smart idea at the time.

Don't forget that if he hadn't had hit on Cooper.....we would have had Dunta Robinson at NB for 16 games.

And keep in mind, there's a difference between making a calculated risk and being stupid. The Willie Roaf trade was brilliant not because it worked out but because we spent very little draft stock (which we apparently didn't need anyway because the Vermeil drafts sucked dick) to potentially have in our possession one of the greatest LTs to play the game.

Poe rides the line of risk/stupidity in a very delicate way. On the one hand he possessed the highest upside of any NT in the draft that we've seen in years. Picking him could be validated very easily if we just had ANY kind of evidence that he was capable of doing what he was doing at the college level. Perhaps a flash here or there that demonstrates his unbelievable speed for a dude his size. Or maybe just instances where he DIDN'T get shoved off the line of scrimmage on nearly every play against Arkansas State and other C-USA schools. People would have understood the pick far better if we just had that little morsel of hope to look at in his college tape, I think.

Instead, all we could think about was a Bruce Campbell-type of combine performance combined with Bruce Campbell-type lack of production. Except instead of getting him in the 4th like the Raiders did, we drafted Poe in the top half of the 1st. That was the frustrating and potentially idiotic part of what made people angry about selecting Poe at the time.

I sure as hell don't remeber any critisisms you,ve ever directed at this regime without some "but" disclamer.

And the only person besides myself that didn't like hiring Reid that I can remember is Keg.

The only positive thing I can say about your dumb ass is that you are a really articulate moron.

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here. :)

LMAO

This is exactly what the :arrow: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/image...hcan_small.gif http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/image.../paperclip.gif Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA thread has turned into.

one of the dumbest picks in draft history

a team that hasn't won a playoff game in decades, or drafted a QB in the first round for even longer...uses the #1 pick in the draft to replace a probowl LT with a small school pussy who was almost literally the worst RT in the league (when he wasn't just injured like a pussy)..


genius like that is hard to find, much less appreciate...luckily we have Chiefs fans

Yeah, that's why the "optimists" follow the "pessimists" around and shit on every thread they post in, even if the post wasn't pessimistic at all.

Take off the blinders and get a clue.

i picture you getting throat banged by marcellus

I find it ironic that we're getting a lecture on pessimism from a ****ING FORTYNINER FAN.

He roots for a team that's had more success in the last TWO YEARS than the Chiefs have had in the LAST TWO ****ING DECADES.

Okay which one of these guys are you?

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/truestfans.gif

It shouldnt be considered a negative outlook if you as a fan are cheering for the team succeed when they acquire a 29 year old QB to lead the team, and you actually want/wish that QB would lead the team far and maybe even to the Super Bowl. There is no other reason to justify acquiring him, and if you spin it to just "be competitive/tread water/transition QB" then YOU are actually the negative one against the Chiefs.

The problem is Alex Smith, the QB everyone on here cheers for needs help. A lot of people, on here, realize that, and it comes off negative that they push the agenda of "please get some ****ing help around our QB so he can keep us in games/win them without the other 21 starters (mostly the 11 on defense) pissing it away/losing it.

Russel Wilson doesn't win a Super Bowl without all the help he had on that defense.

But that's the problem with the Chiefs, people want FA help because the Chiefs aren't getting much help from the draft. If the Chiefs actually had good ****ing drafts that helped the team nobody would give a shit about FAs. But the Chiefs are a franchise that walks the line of getting no help from the draft and doing nothing in FA and YOU CANT DO BOTH LIKE THAT. You either need to get some FA help if your drafts are shitty or stay out of FA if you have good drafts. The Chiefs don't do either of those well. And that's the conundrum.

temper is a 49ers fan?

God, the infestation is permanent, isn't it? If we ever wanted to get rid of all the 49er termites, we'd have to burn this place to the goddamn ground and start over again.

He's a 49er fan.

Wasn't lecturing you... Just making an observation.

well yea it must be nice when you are a 49ers fan and you get Joe ****ing Staley but when the Chiefs pluck from the same dumpy wishing well we end up with Eric Fisher

thus is the Chiefs luck

An extremely condescending observation.

49er termites?

Whatever dude. You've been pretty much singling me out for a whole now. You can look up my history on the Fisher pick, look into the thread talking about Dorsey being exec of the year, talk to guys like htisimage who've had lots of back and forth.

I've been consistent on those points. You're just so intent on knocking me down that you only read what you want to read.

Why is it condescending? I've read a number of threads lately with people trying to prove their level of negativity, and others trying to EXPOSE them as being positive - as if being positive is somehow a bad thing. Very strange. Not condescending, just a true observation.

Yeah... the niners have had more success than the Chiefs. I'm not here to rub it in your faces. On the contrary. I don't even talk about the niners except to not lie about being a fan (I live in Sacramento - it was either the niners or the raiders - give me a break). I'm a fan of Smith's and so I am now a fan of the Chiefs. What's the problem?

nobody would be negative on this forum if we had 2 decades of Hall of Fame QB play like the 49ers had.

Staley wasn't a stud year 1 either.