Giovani Bernard had 5 touches and the Bengals are 0-3. Trade for him!

I think we should try to get Akeem involved and see what he has to offer. I've liked what I've seen on ST's and I'm sick of seeing West in there.

I agree 100% with DJ.

Hunt is very strong and he's built like a rock, but it worries me seeing him taking shots to his shoulders, knees and hips. He got blasted twice by Addai and trucked him, but you could tell Kareem felt the blows.

This kind of workload isn't sustainable for Hunt. By week 10 he's going to slow down because his body is beat up so bad. We absolutely need a quality #2 back.

If Akeem has the pass pro down, sure, give him a whirl.

The Bengals aren't letting Bernard go, but I'm sure you could get Jeremy Hill for very little.

Hill is better than West.

shouldn't run him into the ground like we did Charles and Ware though, he'll need to be spelled with a competent and healthy back so that he's still smashing it come playoff time.. He's effective and I'm sure he's up for it but 18.6 touches a game is a little too much at this point of the season IMO

No. **** trading a pick for a rb

I imagine Ryan Matthews is gonna be on a plane to Philly in the next 12 hours.

I just realized who Kareem Hunt is.

A big, strong RB who plays a lot faster than he times, is tough as shit to bring down and is always falling forward.

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content..._006.jpg?w=620

Pick that jewel up over at the mange :o)

Mahomes, Hill and Hunt have the potential to be Big Ben, AB and Bell someday.

Throw in Kelce as well

Cream is a dream!

People compare Hunt to Ricky Williams but better out of the backfield recieving

Hunt is like prime Marshawn in terms of how hard he is to tackle, with even more explosiveness and home run hitting capability. Oh, and he has Le'Veon Bell esque ball security.

The kid could be an all-timer if he catches some breaks with health.

He wears defenses down with his running style, much like people once said about Marshawn. It is clear when you look at his 4th quarter stats. He takes over the game. The LBs and safeties don't want to come up and hit him anymore.

This offense can be so damn deadly just as long as the line remains respectable and Smith plays aggressively, consistently.

Marshawn's running style also wore him down.

At some point he may have to learn to balance ferocity with discretion. I get it - the kid's got a chip on his shoulder and right now he's running like every carry could be his last.

That's fun as hell to watch but he's not JC slipping through the line and avoiding solid contact (or even Marcus/Holmes). He's more like a shorter Eddie George going out there and bruising fools.

Eddie was washed up by 28 years old. Now that's a looooong ways away for a 22 yr old Hunt but at some point he may want to ask himself if another 200 yds/season by plowing into guys for his first 5 years is worth the 3-4 fewer effective seasons.

Honestly, it may be. Burn fast and bright is a totally acceptable career move for NFL RBs when the odds favor you being shot by 30 either way. But I sure do worry that we're looking at a guy that's going to be running on fumes by week 14.

George is the last guy I can recall running as hard as Hunt does and taking as many flush shots as Hunt takes. The guy's getting whacked out there.

The rookie RBs this year man...

https://i.imgur.com/lEYzGbm.gif

I definitely hear what you are saying, but so far the coaching staff is doing an excellent job of limiting his touches too. He is only 11th in the league in carries despite leading the NFL by over 100 yards rushing. He is also 11th in overall touches.

I felt like he was taking more straight on hits yesterday than he had the previous two weeks, at least to the naked eye.

They need to get the other Hunt up to speed and get him some carries.

It would never ever happen, but can someone maybe plant some heroine in Saquans car? Him and Hunt would be pretty splendid

Actually, if Ware comes back healthy, those two paired would be nightmarish for defenses. I still think they need a little scat 3rd down back though

So I said when we took Hunt that I preferred Kamara. I got that wrong, but in the end the guy I wanted wasn't even Kamara, it was Cohen.

I was eyeing Pumphrey in the late rounds for that role but holy Jesus, Cohen looks like Hill redux. I can't wrap my head around how awesome it would've been to snag that dude to go WITH Hunt. But he went a little earlier than I would've expected and man the Bears look to have struck gold there.

But if my memory serves the officials, as is their custom, ****ed up that call and ruled him OOB. Because the officiating has been gaaaaaarbage this year. Just absolutely awful.

Yeah he was definitely in.

The thing is though, as good as he is, I'd still rather have Hunt. I don't think you can give Cohen 250 carries.

I'd much rather have a bellcow we can feed in the playoffs and pick up the tough yards. Ware could have been that guy but he pretty much failed in his audition I think.

Yeah, I cringed several times yesterday.

He got friggen decked several times yesterday. I don't think there's anybody in the league that can stand up to that pounding for long.

Like I said, if they lose a game or two trying to protect him but it doesn't cost them the division, they just need to deal with that. You can't pare him back against Oakland/Denver but maybe against Dallas? NYG? In games that have a little less weight, maybe try to find a way to get him a bit of a blow.

Because ****ing hell that was nasty on Sunday. For as few touches as he had, I feel like he took 6-8 really solid shots.

I agree - knowing what I know now about Hunt and his ability to break tackles and maintain his momentum (that cutback vision is also a thing of beauty), he's the guy you want. Dalvin Cook may be the only guy in the conversation from this class (another RB I didn't like. I may not know shit about RBs...)

But the theory I was after heading into the draft was to find a dynamic game-breaker to complement Ware and get maybe 150-200 touches and holy shit is Cohen ever that guy.

Had the passing offense not plateaued so hard yesterday, I think Hunt would have been able to rest a little easier in the 3rd and 4th quarters.. unfortunately, he was the only thing working yesterday for much of the game.

We need better consistency from the pass offense, and I hope that we will get it given that Kelce was completely invisible yesterday for whatever reason.

Look at that hole! So proud of our offensive lines run blocking this year. They are doing a great job.

The cutback lane is open so often and the personnel is so similar that it makes me wonder if maybe Ware just wasn't seeing some of those runs last year.

Perhaps I put too much blame on the line and not enough on Ware's vision.

I love that Andy is limiting his carries. And there's a reason why he's doing it. Look at who we're coming up against.

Texans, Steelers and Raiders in an 11 day span. That's by far our biggest obstacle this season and we are going to need this kid the most through that stretch.

That's a good question. My guess it probably was there. Ware is pretty slow compared to West so that may have been a factor.

Well, KC's interior OL was playing much worse last season.

That may factor in. That and the fact that Hunt is better.

Yeah, I hope they find a way to limit him against Washington if possible... I mean, win the game, but hopefully we can win with a more balanced, perhaps pass heavy offense on MNF.

I disagree. I'd never limit him. Obviously don't go too crazy with his carries but do what works. If running is working then do it. If passing is working then do that... Balance it out as much as possible but doing what is working is always the smart thing to do.

Injuries can happen on any play. Stupid to play scared. Hunt is well built. He isn't Charles. Run him a lot. He's a great weapon you want the ball in his hands...

Hunt should have 20-25 touches a game

I'm not saying limit him normally--but 3 games in an 11 day span against HOU, PIT, and OAK is going to be really tough physically. If we can get through Monday night without more than 15 touches and a win, that'd be great...

Agreed.

He needs to get the ball as much as he can. He's a great player who is built well. He isn't fragile like Charles or Hill. He can take hits...

I see what you are saying but Hunt is so young and well built I think he can get 20-25 touches a game and be fine.

And not to mention, college games usually go 11-13 games, depending on the schedule and if the team makes it to a bowl game.

The NFL is 16 games, plus possible playoff games. So there is more risk of wear and tear due to the additional 3-5 more games.

If Hunt gets hurt we’re lwft with West. My god

And Hunt. :D

Hunt shouldn't be getting the ball that much unless we really need it.

PFF has Hunts elusive rating at 158.0. The second best is Jordan Howard at 68.1.

I just saw a clip from Andy being interviewed in the locker room after the game. He was unhappy with Kareem for taking it to the house. He said that if he had just gotten the first down and went down the game is over. I guess he's right, but I think that a 2 TD lead at that point was pretty good too.

Hunts touches are fine.

That's ridiculous if true. Never stop scoring when the opportunity is there. Things can go wrong, or a snap can be fumbled. Always take more points.

Falling down short ends the game

Scoring is the only way the chargers have a chance

I can understand Andy. More plays more problems and no play is safer than a kneel down.

Unless if you scored it’s still a 1 possession game than you always score

What? How do they have a chance down 2 TDs with a minute left?

They have a bigger chance if he fell down because they could hope for a fumbled snap or something. Remember the chiefs/chargers Halloween game?
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Studebaker!! It was Pitt but Studebaker!!

Man can you imagine him in a Chiefs uniform with Tyreek, Kelce & Hunt.

This is beyond ****ing stupid, if true, and makes me question Andy's coaching acumen.

Fluky shit happens that you can't plan for, you ALWAYS take the points when the opportunity is there. A 2 TD lead is much better than one at the end of the game, no matter which team has the ball.

Tell that to Rivers at the arrowhead game where he fumbled a snap that allowed us to win the game when they had it locked up. I take the score all day long in that scenario.

link?

How many fumbled snaps have their been in a kneel down? Even then, if he falls at the 2, with a fumbled snap, they have to go 98 yards with no timeouts and score a td.

Vs being down 2 scores with 1:50 ish left.

Odds are low either way, but kneeling it is a higher probability

I don't know w/o looking it up, but probably about the same amount as 14+ point comeback wins with 1:50 left in the game . . . . . . . hardly any.

And what happens if the fumbled snap happens on first down vs. 3rd down? Then Rivers has 1:45 to negotiate a 95 yard drive only down 7. You'd rather have that possible scenario than him having the ball at his own 25, down 14, with 1:50 to play? That makes no sense.

The TD happened right after the 2 minute warning. After the TD, the Chargers had 1:49 and a TO. The Eagles almost came back from 2 TDs in the same amount of time.

I was actually thinking during Hunt's run that maybe he should take a knee at the 5 yard line. The Chiefs could have kneeled down 3 times, forcing the Chargers to use their TO. Then kick a short FG, making the Chargers two scores down with about 20 seconds left.

That said, fluky shit can happen like having the FG blocked and returned for a TD or a fumble (ala Rivers at Arrowhead a few years ago). Even though the Eagles almost came back, being down 2 TDs with less than 2 minutes left requires a lot of stuff to happen to tie it up so scoring on the long run was the best call, imo.

So I'm guessing you don't actually think before you type?

Your second quote PERFECTLY encapsulates the folly of your first.

The Chargers still had a timeout so the Chiefs couldn't have kneeled it out completely.

I think they could have though.

Even with the time out

**** that. You score and get back on defense.

They could have.

If he goes down, the Chiefs have 1st and 10 from the one and the Chargers have to use their last timeout with 1:50 left.

1st down: The Chiefs snap it at 1:50, go down at 1:49 and the clock ticks...
2nd down: The Chiefs snap it at 1:10, go down at 1:09 and the clock continues to tick
3rd down: The Chiefs snap it at 29 seconds - game over.

Reid was right and he's actually had a RB do that in the past (I believe it was Westbrook). But he also wasn't 'upset' about it; he used almost that grandpa voice where he was proud of the kid but hey, he has something to remember if that situation pops up again.

The right answer was to go down. Sure, they could've flubbed a snap, but given that they just flubbed an onside kick the week before after allowing an easy 'prevent' TD, I'd say the odds favored taking the knee.

Why?

You're almost certainly talking 6 in one hand, half dozen in another. And the snap is literally the most practiced thing in all of pro football. How many fumbled exchanges do you see anymore?

Now if there's a wrinkle in this instance it's that Fulton is the backup C and the Chiefs do a lot from shotgun. Moreover, we saw the Chargers botch a simple snap/re-align a few years ago. But even that was to set up for FG and they were trying to do more than simply take a knee.

The victory formation has gone awry one time in the history of pro football and it's one of the most iconic moments ever BECAUSE of how unlikely it was. Granted, giving up 2 scores in 1:50 was damn unlikely as well.

I have a hard time giving him any static over it; young kid saw the endzone and the 'go score!' mentality is hardwired into these guys. But that being said, taking the knee was the safer play, IMO.

Shit. I spaced that the clock would have still been running if Hunt had taken a knee. Definitely could have run the clock out with almost no risk. Probably would have been the right move.

The TD is more fun though. :D

http://m.chiefs.com/s/30852/VideoAudio

You can find it in 2 different videos. The Andy Reid one and then they ask Kareem Hunt about it when they interviewed him and he said that coach got after him about it.

Hunt not kneeling there cost us what .01% win equity? He probably has a greater chance of getting injured trying to do some awkward move at the goal line (see Giants Superbowl) or losing the ball somehow for a touchback. And there's definitely a higher % chance we screw up the FG somehow.

Just let him score, get the stats, let the fans cheer. It's worth the tiny tiny extra risk of losing the game imo. Maybe if it's a playoff game - then yeah, sit down on the 1.

Yes.

Let's not give the ball to an elite weapon much because he might get hurt. We need to lean on West so that we don't have to rely on West!
Sensible.

:rolleyes:

He's not even getting 20 touches a game, what do you want to cut him down to? 10? 7?

He's on pace for 250 carries. Is that now considered too much for an NFL RB?

This isn't the first time I've seen the 'don't use our good players too much, they might get hurt' positon on this forum, and it's the silliest position I've ever heard. Can you IMAGINE saying that to a coach?

"Hey coach, I know you have this RB tearing up the NFL, but 17 carries is WAY too much for a game. Can you cut that down to 12?"

Sure.

But he's also a rookie who's never played 16+ games in the league and runs with a very physical style. Dude took some shots on Sunday and those add up.

Just like every other rookie in the history of the NFL.

The way folks are talking here you'd think he was on pace for 350+ carries and 60+ catches.

The guy is on pace for less than 300 total touches rushing and receiving. That's not over working a starting RB.

He's actually on pace to touch the ball less in 16 games as a pro than he did in 13 games at Toledo. He can handle it. Injuries happen.

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Andy drafted him because they saw him getting stronger the more carries he got. The guy is a stallion- let him run!

We definitely need to get the running game in high gear this week vs. the Skins.

For a normal rb I'd agree. Rookies are always a question on when or if they hit the wall.

I'd also imagine the hits he's taking in the NFL are a bit different than at Toledo

But he's a difference maker and needs the touches for the offense to be effective so it's a balancing act.

What I'm saying is that he's being used properly.

Not too much, or not enough. The porridge is just right.

I don't have a problem with it as is, moreso that I wish our other backs were doing more

Ride him like a rented mule.

He has 46 of our 71 rushes. Between Alex's options, Reeks sweeps, West's quick fill ins, and the other gadget runs, we're still getting some production elsewhere.

Not Kareen has 24 rushes of our 71 rushes... though I don't know how many of the alex runs are scrambles as opposed to designed options.

We're using him fine. It seems like you just want KC to run the ball more period, which isn't a bad idea.

Had KC ran more against SD, the game would have got out of hand. The chargers can't tackle for shit.

So you agree that he shouldn't be getting the ball 320-400 times this year?

Because that's what I said.

Go attack strawmen somewhere else.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Who's saying to cut him down to 12 carries? At most, the majority of folks are saying that Reid is working him about right. Some folks are being stupid and saying he should carry 20-25 times/gm, which is a really good way to ensure your RB absolutely sucks going forward.

BC said he shouldn't be getting that many carries - he's right. There has been exactly 1 RB that's remained effective after getting 25 carries/gm. Moreover, there have been very very few that have had much of a career after getting better than 350 touches - period.

Being a ballcarrier is damn tough work and extremely hard on a body. It's worse still when you run like Hunt does. If Reid can keep Hunt in the 15-20 touches/gm range he'd greatly increase the likelihood that Hunt is healthy come the post-season and greatly increase his long term value to the franchise.

I don't even see this as being particularly worth arguing.

If you find yourself siding with penbrook, you're almost certainly wrong.

I think that the reason people are complaining is that it seems like Reid is not using Hunt enough throughout the game. But it's clear to see the plan there. Keep him around 15-20 carries a game, while saving him for the 4th quarter to help put the game away. If you need a 4 minute drive to ice the game, Hunt needs to still be fresh to do it. It seems like he has been getting close to half of his carries in the 4th quarter, and that's a good thing.

Why can’t EB be our head coach? He would definently give Hunt the carries. Remember the Pats game where he said “catch your breath because we’re about to feed yo ass”.

Chiefs have scored a TD for 50 plus yards in 9 consecutive games dating back o last year. WOW!

I got a 50 bet with my barber that kareems rookie year he outgains zekes from last year

Why not keep it the way it is. We haven't lost with our current formula. He will get more carries when a game says he needs to.

More carried mean the better chance he has at breaking the regular season rushing record