Yeah we're going to pretend like the Cavs defense didn't fall off a cliff after Blatt left. And that that coach didn't prefer Scrappy defensive players to play beside LeBron.
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David Michael Blatt (Hebrew: דיוויד מייקל בלאט‎‎; born May 22, 1959), is an Israeli-American professional basketball coach, and a former professional basketball player. He is the head coach for Darüşşafaka of the Turkish Super League and the EuroLeague.

Hmm.

I tend to think the same thing, but the Cavaliers did beat the best team ever. The best team ever went 73-9. And Kyrie & Lebron BEAT THEM. The best team ever wasn't last year's GSW. But it's like splitting hairs.

Draymond had the worst fg% amongst starters for both teams in the Finals.

Wow. Cavs get much better in the short term.

That's a great deal for Cle

Maybe the Cavs gm really knows what he is doing

You typed what they said.

And then the best team ever added Kevin Durant and crushed them.

If you guys are quoting people you should give them credit

That's a great deal

I put where the quote came from when I post. I.E. (per whoever)

Also Cavs are in serious talks with D Rose

A lie. They were talking about what the Cavs might do/consider (trading LeBron). I then said here that would be the best case scenario for LeBron, which they didn't suggest or discuss.

NBA 2k18 comes out here soon and Kyrie is the cover athlete. And to think he won't be wearing a Cavs uniform

You just typed out what woj said almost word for word about 5 minutes after he said it.

You typed what they said, you thinking it might be best fur lebron doesn't matter. Them saying it made you think it would be best.

It wasn't even close to original. Some people do it quite a bit...

That was my opinion though. I havnt looked at Woj has said. If I saw it I would of given him credit

ROFL

LMAO Auto calling out guys for stealing takes.

ROFL you guys are too funny man. ROFL

LMAO

Auto with the hammer!

penbrook has being doing it all free agency in this thread for literally every move and hot take and now it's an issue? almost a month after the fact? lol

**** mcmenamin just said word for word what woj said live.

Or did he get it from penbook?

And you continue to lie. Unless they talked about trading LeBron in the context that I talked about (which you have now admitted they didn't), I didn't type what they said.

That makes no sense. Them saying the Cavs could/should trade LeBron to keep Kyrie had no bearing on why I thought it would be favourable to him. Why would it?

Its not an issue, I'm just talking shit. Bored, sucking up some a.c. on the last day of a REALLY ****ing good week of work.

Its more of a pointing and laughing at the monkeys thing.

ROFL but you knew exactly where it came from immediately.

And you typed the exact same words they said in the exact same order.

But hey, you do you. Or you do them, whatever works.

Lebron's 1st Cavs team was literally nothing but scrappy defensive players. Their supposed big push to get Lebron some scoring help was Mo ****ing Williams.

Lue is way out of his element as an NBA coach, but let's not pretend mean ol' Lebron told the next Phil Jackson to go **** himself

Mcmenamin reads CP!!

That's all he's ever ****ing done. Doesn't matter the sport. Football, baseball... he finds information and just spouts it without providing a source or a link

I literally give you a source! I.E. (Per whoever)

Of course I did. I had and have nothing to hide.

Again....unless they talked about trading LeBron in the context that I talked about (which you have since admitted they didn't), I didn't type what they said.

Again....them saying the Cavs could/should trade LeBron to keep Kyrie had no bearing on why I thought it would be favourable to him. Why would it? You have yet to answer this.

So the defense didn't get a lot worse when he left? Did he not prefer defensive scrappy players to play alongside LeBron?

Simple yes or no questions.
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Let's look at my post piece by piece:

They did not discuss the optics for LeBron of a potential LeBron move to LA.

They did not discuss whether a LeBron trade would be favourable for LeBron or what the "best case scenario" for LeBron was. Their "trade LeBron" discussion was entirely from a Cavs/asset management perspective.

You are lying if you suggest otherwise, Jason.

If only the Cavs still had miracle worker Blatt and Delley, Durant might not have mattered at all...

What I said was you typed the words they said in the same order.

ROFL. You didROFL you are an awful squirrelly ****er.

Cavs should just go for broke with this trade. Screw trying to pre-emptively restock the farm before Lebron leaves. All that's going to do is make you not terrible enough to tank properly.

Melo and Bledsoe look great, and I've seen ideas out there where Tyson Chandler is also involved. They should try to secure that instead of the one with the 1st round pick.

Watching Melo and Lebron play together would re-ignite the NBA. People would be interested to see what it will take for them to play well together.

It also would make next year interesting. Melo and Lebron want to join CP3 in LA? Well, Lebron and Melo are already on the same team. Why build that juggernaut in LA when you can trade Love or Thompson and do it in Cleveland, where you can continue to enjoy free passes to the NBA Finals every year?

These are the exact same words they said.

Now you never really specifically said who it was the best case scenario for either.

Parrot.

A lie. You have already admitted they weren't discussing LeBron in the same context of my post.

You have also not answered the above yet. I wonder why. ROFL.

A lie. They did not discuss whether a LeBron trade would be favourable for LeBron or what the "best case scenario" for LeBron was. Their "trade LeBron" discussion was entirely from a Cavs/asset management perspective. You know this and have admitted as much.

Given the previous sentence in that post for context and my LeBron fanship, that was obvious. You also accepted this fact in post 577 of this thread.

Liar.

ROFL you typed the same words they said. Period.

Now go argue with someone else.

And you continue to lie needlessly and not answer. They did not discuss a LeBron trade from LeBron's perspective.

Maybe they could add better players if LeBron didn't force them to sign Thompson for $16M, JR Smith for 14M and Shumpert for 10M.

Funny how you like ignoring these things.
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It's not that he's ignoring them. Since there isn't 100% proof he's going to pretend it isn't true. Even though it clear as day.

once again these are the exact same words you said. You made the post at 4:41 literally minutes after it was said. You were watching the show and knew exactly what I meant.

Call me a liar and ill dvr it when it comes on again and post it up for you.

He forced them, did he? A convenient narrative. Unfortunately, it's pretty obvious now with Griffin's departure that LeBron's influence there was overstated.

Once again...a lie.

Of course. That's because they were discussing trading LeBron. They did not, however, discuss whether a LeBron trade would be favourable for LeBron or what the "best case scenario" for LeBron was (which my post did, I don't give a shit about the Cavs or their future). Their "trade LeBron" discussion was from a Cavs/asset management perspective. You have not refuted this.

Do it. I'd have done it myself if I could have.

Lol it's funny that you believe that.
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I suppose LeBron pushed Griffin out, then. Is that what I'm supposed to believe too?

if the Cavs were smart they would attach some salary dump along with them

Make a team take on TT, JR, Korver, etc

They should probably even trade Love too.

If they could get back guys like Bledsoe, Jabari Parker, plus assets and sign Rose in FA they would still make the Finals in the East. Celtics, Raptors and Wizards are still garbage and made no upgrades good enough to get passed Lebron

How are they getting Parker?

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Kyrie leading his own team would be interesting.

The Bucks are the mix for Kyrie

Kyries just trying to beat Lebron to the punch. He knows Lebron is as good as gone

Exactly.

So for all of LeBrons talk about how he loves playing with Kyrie, Kyrie knows it is BS otherwise LeBron would not leave the Cavs...

No. I doubt Gilbert gives a **** about appeasing LeBron anymore now that everybody knows he's leaving next year. But they absolutely appeased him the past 3 years. How else do you explain these contracts? How do you explain Blatt/Lue? How do you explain them trading their first overall pick for Love?
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Wait...so you're telling me that if you build a system 100% around one person...other players suffer when he isn't in the court? No ****ing way!
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So LeBron is holding the ISO player Kyrie back from his true potential? This is even better than the "Draymond isn't good" take. LMAO

Is like to see draymond on another team

LeBron brought a championship to the Cavs. He did his job but in the process he basically scared away Kyrie because of his lack of loyalty. Everyone knows he will leave.

MJ brought 6-championships to the bulls and never scared away any of their talent because he is not a traitor like LeBron. Players wanted to play w MJ despite how much of a dickhead he was to his teammates.

The whole GOAT argument is over... MJ > LeBron

Him and his chosen coach are holding the rest of the team back because there's NO system when LeBron is off the court.

Do you disagree? Why the **** would you get love if all you're going to do is have him stand outside the 3 point line waiting for a pass. Even when LeBron was out of the game they didn't bring him in to the post.

Do you think Lue installed a system that allowed LeBron's teammates to succeed without him? He had DWill, a great pick and roll point guard, playing the role of a spot up shooter, and people were surprised when he sucked at it.

You LeBron fan boys are something else.
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LeBrons new nickname is going to be Le3/6 in the finals....

Kyrie will never win anything without LeBron. A ISO ball hog point guard who is looking for stats and money. Knicks would be perfect for him.

So at 4:37 pti talked about trading lebron and keeping kyrie maybe being the best thing.

At 4:41 kc**** brings up the same thing after admittedly watching it, but his was an original thought :rolleyes

LeBron is leaving next year anyway. Might as well leave now and avoid having to stay in Cleveland.
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Cool timeline. I know you're so proud that you had to post it again a day later, but nobody gives a ****.

ROFL **** you. He called me a liar. I didn't catch the relay until this afternoon.

**** you again.

You should have posted the video. The "trade LeBron" idea in itself wasn't "original," but my belief/opinion that it was the best case scenario for LeBron certainly was (which is what my post was about). I didn't repeat anybody's take.

Apparently LeBron leaked the Kyrie trade request. LMAO

Bitter bitches.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Timberwolves exploring Andrew Wiggins for Kyrie Irving with &quot;incredible seriousness&quot;, (per <a href="https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski">@APkrawczynski</a>) <a href="https://t.co/qzbWkjqMvy">pic.twitter.com/qzbWkjqMvy</a></p>&mdash; SportsTalk Minnesota (@MinnySportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/MinnySportsTalk/status/890225637226672129">July 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No.

No no no no no no no.

No.

**** Kyrie with AIDS. Giving up Wiggins to put Kyrie on the floor is a dumb idea. What, is Jeff Teague going to come off the ****ing bench when you just paid him $57 million?

And how the hell does this make Cleveland better?

ROFL.

I'd rather have Kyrie than Teague. When Atlanta traded Teague I was almost as happy as when they traded Joe Johnson or when they traded Dwight Howard. He sucks.

Timberwolves have literally nobody to start at the 3 if they trade Wiggins. That's the problem. Do they move Butler there? That compromises his impact on the court. Start Brandon ****ing Rush?

We're not a team to be messing around with this.

Wiggins ****ing sucks. Michael Redd 2.0. TWolves will win nothing with him.

Superstar league.

Kyrie is one of the best pure scorers we've seen in the decade. He's fearless and has outstanding handles. As 'LeBron's baby bro' I actually think it's led to him being a bit underrated.

There are still teams with cap space that would be willing to make a Teague move if you needed to. Might even get an asset back rather than just clear space.

It'll hurt the perimeter defense but, and this is a notable but, if Thibs can convince Irving to play defense (and everything in his toolbox says he should be able to), you have one of the top 5 players in the league on your hands.

If the Wolves can get Irving straight across for Wiggins, I think they should do it. Wiggins will get max level money soon (if he hasn't already; I don't recall) and he'll never be as impactful a player in the NBA as Irving is now, IMO.

He's not the kind of PG I prefer, but he's the kind of PG that's suddenly winning a lot in this league. I can't see why you wouldn't want to add that unless you think Butler or KAT need the ball in their hands (and I don't think that's where either guy truly excels).

League's getting away from the 1-2-3-4-5 distinction.

Why do you think Butler at the 3 lessens his impact? With his increased range, having him as a stretch 3 against longer but slower forwards could help him even more offensively. Defensively, he's quick enough to harass most forwards and with KAT's length/athleticism on the interior, that's all he really needs to do.

The question isn't SF, IMO - that answer is easy. The question is what the hell purpose Teague serves if you have Irving as the primary ball-handler. Teague's a fine player but he's pretty much a pure 1. I don't see him as a guy that can accomplish much off the ball; not elite athleticism or size, isn't great at creating his own shot and while he's a solid shooter, he's not a dead-eye out there.

I seem to remember his defense being solid but unspectacular; not an asset, just not a liability.

Y'all would need to figure out something to do with the backcourt as I think Teague and Irving are awkward fits. But I'd risk it to bring Irving in - he's a really damn good player.

I'm not married to Teague by any means. I'm only worried about the money at this point. I can't help it as a Wolves fan, but I just got through 13 years of zero playoffs, and the best team I had to watch in that time was a Rick Adelman-coached group of Kevin Love, Andrei Kirilenko, and oft-injured Ricky Rubio. We just got through a grueling tanking process and actually came out ahead of the game. And now I worry that we're stocking up too soon. Butler, Irving, and KAT all have only two years left. Wiggins was more likely to accept staying here through an extension, and now if we can't keep one of them, are all of them going to bolt?

It'd pretty much end up being two years of competitive basketball in the Western Conference playoffs and then back to the sewer where we belong.

And I do worry that length would get to Butler or at least prevent what he's capable of doing defensively against guards.

I'd take Lue as the coach of my team in a heartbeat.

Your KU hate is showing

College basketball isn't a sport.