Well, we have the Cap Space to pay him if we decide to pull the trigger on a trade. Would have to be a 2nd + another pick from what I can tell.

"Dallas offered a second-round pick, but that wasn’t enough for Seattle. The Seahawks wanted more."

sign him today..he can start vs Denver

but he'll most likely be a cowboy...they may have been waiting till after they played them to trade him there..now they played them and won ..

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Earl Thomas said a couple of Cowboys coaches said to him before the game, “You ready for the trade tomorrow?”

7:01 AM - Sep 24, 2018

Berry, Thomas, Fuller...one stud CB away from a complete set IMO

Trade him for our 1st next year it would end up being the 32nd pick of the 1st round so that's close to a second.

I'm not worried about giving up a higher pick it's not like this team is going to be sitting at top 10 during the draft.

Thomas probably has about 4-5 years of elite play left in him and honestly at the end of the first you'd take that from your pick and be happy with it.

Wow, tampering out the ass!

I just read a thing that said the average retirement age for an upper tier Safety/CB is 32-36. He is 29. I think he has Woodson toughness and durability. I say we trade for him and extend him for 3-4 years.

Yep.

Brian Dawkins written all over him

It will most likely not happen but just getting Murray off the field would improve the defense a ton.

I agree...plus, we would know for sure that we hit on our 1st round pick if we use our 1st on him...wouldn’t have to worry about any Jon Baldwins’, Glenn Dorseys’ or Tyson Jacksons.’ He’s worth it.

Of course it is a PR thing too, there will be some people that get annoyed about giving up a 1, or "Brett Veach sucks at the draft" when he won't have a 1, 2 drafts in a row..

I can't be happy giving up a #1 for a partial season rental, especially when we have Bob Sutton as the common denominator. =(

If you make that deal you assume there is a new contract because his cap number is pretty high.

Thomas wants to get paid so I doubt you are dealing for him unless you are ready to pay him.

Berry has a 16 mil cap hit next year. I don't see how any team ties up 25 mil plus in one year on safeties.

It would likely be a one year rental for a 2nd round +. That's going all in this year.

This. 25+ mil in Safeties and 1 of them can't see the field. Berry is going to be rusty IF he ever comes back, and Earl may need some weeks to adjust to Bob's D.

You get away with it because you have Ford, Bailey and Houston likely coming off the book after this year.

Who's to say this team doesn't walk on Berry in 2 years?

Bob Sutton's defenses were excellent when the talent was there. This defense sorely needs talent and using Bob Sutton as an excuse to not acquire it is inexcusable...

When Mahomes is this far ahead of schedule, going all in makes perfect sense.

Why wouldn't you go all in? The AFC is in shambles, the Steelers are a dramafied mess, the Patriots look old and untalented, Jacksonville has no offense.

The spot is there for the taking right now.

Exactly.

We have to stick to the PLAN, younger and faster on defense.

Because the "plan" has won us so many Super Bowls.

Again, Patrick Mahomes changes EVERYTHING. He's having a one-in-a-lifetime season right now. You have to take advantage of it.

He's just getting started. Manning, brees and Brady didn't have their best football year 1.

How long are you going to have that offense rolling that way?

At some point we are going to have a less talented offense to have an average defense and a QB making a ton of money.

The time is right now.

His start is better than any of those guys. When you have a winning lottery ticket in your hand, you cash it in. You don't stick it in your pocket and say "I think I'll just keep playing to see if I can get a bigger jackpot".

This year's team can win a Super Bowl. They need more talent on defense. Wasting this opportunity would be a real shame.

If you can bring in Earl Thomas and get Berry back out there you do a ton right there to improve this defense...then you either hope a young guy or some dude like Breeland when he's ready signs up to finish out the year and you could easily be a super bowl team.

to the people that keep calling the defense a plan or a ____ year project. I just have to laugh at you. This isnt baseball. QB is playing elite on a rookie contract the Super Bowl window starts now in these next 5 years. Gets much harder when hes getting 120 million garunteed on a 185 million deal. Time to go all in is literally now.

Edit: He sat a year so its actually 4 years. Even more reason to speed this up

Agree. The plan is to win a super bowl. The previous plan as you say has failed this franchise for many years. KC has Mahomes on a cheap contract for 3 years. Go bold for 3 years before everything changes

I'd give up anything aside from a 1st rounder.

Why wouldn't you give up a 1st rounder? It's likely to be in the high 20's at the very least. Who are we going to get with that pick that would be better than 3-4 years of Earl Thomas?

This.

I think lots of people don't realize that this window is open right now, before this year lots of people bullshitted themselves into that this was a 7 win team and the window wouldn't be open until next year.

It doesn't help that Terez Paylor is pumping that the Chiefs are still an 8-8 team cause he said that before the year so you know how these guys are about coming off what they said.

You are going to give up a 2nd round pick plus a mid round pick for Thomas, and pay him with the money that would have went to Ford, Bailey and Houston? That would mean next year you are down two draft picks plus you need to basically rebuild your front 7.

Yeah, if you get rid of Houston Ford and Bailey, that's money off, but you've still gotta replace them.

He wouldn't get all of that money, also the Chiefs are having 18 million of dead money come off the cap next year.

I'm saying this team does have money in the coming years where they can pay him.

I'm not worried about next year, I'm worried about now and guess what you can sign some cheap guys and get the same production you are getting from several of these guys.

They drafted guys for those spots this year. They have to play and play well or this defense is doomed no matter what they do.

This.

What's the buzz on this fine Monday morning?

They need some Dl depth but if you don't think they can play KPass or Speaks then they are ****ed either way and need Thomas more to maximize this shot this year.

I'll only believe it when someone credible, like Nick Athan, is saying it! How's yo boi Clay?!

I'm just going to have to disagree with you man, and that's fine... a difference of opinion makes things interesting.

I see Bob Sutton as the leader of the defense. Just like a QB makes average players around him better, the DC should be putting players in position to succeed.
Now, I agree the tackling is a shit show this season, but IMO that still falls on the DC. He needs to figure out a way to toughen up his squad. If that takes benching players, fine (it can't get much worse). If that takes a Todd Haley approach at being a dick-head to get production... so be it. This defense sucks and just like in the real world, it eventually is a telling tale on management.

To me, looking at the stat sheet on Bob Sutton's defense over the past few years is the same as looking at Alex Smith's stat sheet and thinking he is [good enough]. The stats are skewed, and the eye-test tells a more telling story. That's not saying the Chiefs defense Hasn't shown up in some games over the past 5 years, because they have.

Say the Chiefs defense game plans VERY well against an offense and they haven't been able to do much all game, and then in Q4... Bob Sutton switches to a prevent which opens up everything for the offense to march down field and score TD's. This allows the offense to get right back into the game and gain a ton of momentum. WHY NOT just use the same plan that had been working most of the game? As much as I blame Sutton for not adjusting, he sometimes seems to adjust in the WRONG direction when something has been working.

Side Note:
The Chiefs defense benefited from an insane amount of Luck (the ball bouncing their way) and Marcus Peters going off with a ton of INT's and Strips. Some of us around here have said that hoping for THAT many turnovers is not sustainable and we were right, because the Defense isn't getting them anymore.

Bob Sutton had THE SAME talent/personnel in both playoff collapses... why does his plan fail in the late 3rd and 4th Quarters no matter what his talent is on the field? I don't really think you can replace Sutton with another DC during mid-season, but until I see different I still think the DC position needs to be heavily looked at this off-season.

Hell, maybe Sutton turns his defense around in week 4+... I would love to eat crow, but Sutton has been tiresome to me the past few seasons and that was WITH all of the turnovers. I may even regret this post, and I may not know as much as everyone else, but this is just how I feel right now.

The Chiefs have some dudes with really bad football IQ's, Eric Murray doesn't understand how to drop into a zone properly...how the **** can you help a guy who's probably played since he was 5 figure that out?

Another thing about Earl is he plays a position that many greats like himself have been able to be awesome at into their 30s. So I’m not sure the age makes it all that bad of an investment still. He looked 25 on the field yesterday...

Yes!

So whose fault is it if Sutton says "you need to be here" and the player goes somewhere else? Eric Murray is out of position on nearly every play. That's on Eric Murray, not Bob Sutton.

They only have so many guys on game day. We have to assume that the guys on the bench are actually worse than the ones on the field, or they wouldn't be on the bench. You're REALLY overestimating the impact of coaching on NFL players. Coaches scheme and call plays. When guys can't do the fundamentals, like tackling, that's a personnel issue. NFL defensive coordinators don't teach tackling. Heck, they CAN'T teach tackling. If they have to spend appreciable time teaching tackling, the team is screwed before they even start.

You know why you observe this? Because this is coming from the head coach, not from Bob Sutton. The same tendencies we see from the defense when we have a big lead or late in the game were present in the offense over the last 5 years. What's different this year? Patrick Mahomes replaced Alex Smith. We need a Mahomes on the defense, we don't even have Alex Smith.

Even if this team had pro bowl dudes on the field, they'd be backing off up 35-7.

Teams score and come back against it because we have no playmakers to make anything happen.

Yep.

Watch other games, teams play soft zones in that situation all the time. The difference is that they create long drives and force the opposition into mistakes.

Our guys blow coverages and give up big chunks of yards in a defense that is supposed to prevent that very thing.

Trade for Earl

Just do it

We have tons of young talent we're going to have to pay and Kelce is approaching 30.

It's time to go all in right now.

DIG IT!

Tight ends and RB's are killing the Chiefs in the pass game. The Corners are surprisingly playing pretty well. They gave up less than 100 yards yesterday against the 9ers WR's.

Safety play is really the issue.

I'm not big on trading away high picks and paying older players as you have a prime example in Seattle of what can happen, but if they do it, I get it.

I'm willing to admit that I could be completely wrong and everything you type could be the answer. You make many valid points.

I'm watching the defense as a "unit" rather than watching the secondary as "individual players" and judging their positions. If some of you guys that are more experienced in defensive schemes are digging your heals in that it's a couple of individual players, then I hope you are correct in your analyst.

Perhaps I am burying my head in the sand in thinking it's much easier to replace 1 guy, than it is 8-11 players.


And maybe it's not fair because it's 2 opposite sides of the ball, but I was a big promoter of the following scenario over the years. (and I was so right.)

While many Chiefs fans were claiming "Alex Smith is elite and needs an entire new OLine and some Elite Receivers." I was countering with... "no, we need a real QB who can make our OLine and WR's look better."
I was right. Mahomes made Albert Wilson look great. Mahomes makes Robinson look good. Mahomes is taking Hill to another level.

I'd feel better about a big trade like this if they could wait a few weeks. See how the team responds to a bad game.

Defense is more about all 11 working together though. Little bit different.

Then the obvious question is this: How the hell is he on a NFL roster? I ask myself that question every time I see several of these guys out there....

Well, if it's any consolation, you and I were in COMPLETE agreement on this.... :D

And by the way, I could be wrong too. I've been wrong a lot in my near 2 decades posting here.

Especially in zone defense. The defense is a chain. One weak link could break the entire thing.

Wait, For what exactly? “Hey captain there’s a hole in the side of the boat. Should I buy this patch to fix it? *Captain* “naa lets give it a bit and see how she responds”.....

In agreement, we all know SOMETHING has to be done.
Whether it's a big acquisition like Earl Thomas, or it's the interim promotion of a new DC, or it's Eric Berry bandaging up his wounded vagina... this organization can't just sit back and waste the potential of this team because "all they do is win." Eventually not doing something about the defense is going to come back to bite them in another historic playoff collapse. And to add to that... it's not really fair for Mahomes. The kid is playing out of his mind and he doesn't deserve the pressure to know that if he makes 1 mistake, this defense may not be able to help him back into the game.

JUST DO IT!!!!!

Falcons just lost their 2nd starting safety for the season to an Achilles. They might step up and make this move now.

WHY ISN'T EARL THOMAS A CHIEF YET???? FIRE VEACH!!!!!

NNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL GO FULL GENERAL SHERMAN ON ATLANTA IF THEY SO MUCH AS MAKE A PHONE CALL

we have to sign Breeland first,..once his foot cancer heals we'll sign him and then we'll get earl

Maybe we should sign Thomas, then trade Berry to the Falcons? At least Thomas is healthy at the present !

Don't worry. Their thread is starting from ground zero. We're already 600+ posts in. We've got this.

i don't know who you've been watching but they've had 3 bad games to "respond"

Now I feel better

Does getting tied up and flogged in Tokyo qualify as Dark Tourism? Getting gonorrhea in Osaka? Food poisoning in Kyoto? Not that I've done any of that...

Now that we have a qb I agree 100%. Even 1st round picks are a gamble a sure thing for a gamble sounds good to me even if it is short term. What you said would be about the length of Pat's rookie window. That is long term planning enough for now.

Generically speaking, draft picks are relatively less valuable when you have a cheap, rookie-contract, franchise QB and relatively more valuable when a vet franchise QB is eating up your cap.

I'm not excited about trading a 2nd (or more) for a guy who is either a short term rental or an older player demanding a big contract extension, but if you're ever going to trade valuable picks for ready-to-go players or if you're ever going to sign high priced free agents, the next couple of years is the time.

Yes!

Bingo.

I saw this resume on ZipRecruiter:

So, just because other teams in the league do it that makes prevent D an acceptable scheme regardless of the fact that our players **** it up damn near every time? I propose an alternative: just run the defense that has gotten you the best results throughout the whole game. Our players don't seem to have as much of a problem doing that.
Pittsburgh game is a good example. 2nd quarter we go into prevent, give up 21 points. Bob Sutton adjusts back to what worked in the 1st quarter. It works in quarters 3 and 4. Is it really that complicated?

I'm not sure why people seem to think it's really optional on giving this guy a new deal or not.

He's been in one spot his entire career and is only making a stink now because he wants a new deal. I don't see a situation where he shows up to a new city without that new deal.

If you do that and proceed to give up 14 points in 2 minutes, which is a possibility people are going to react the exact same way.

I dont think we are playing as much "prevent" as people think..the opponent figures our D out after about the first quarter and start moving the ball and our players fold up like soft garbage and Sutton is simply in over his head

If he's accepted that he's not getting a new deal this year, he might be happier not playing for the team that didn't show him enough loyalty (in his opinion). If the new team promises to let him go to free agency without tagging him, he might be OK with the rental arrangement.

Sure didn't go that way for the Steelers, and they have one of the best offenses we're facing this year.