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Perhaps clinging to the hope that he deeply cares (just silently) is a coping mechanism too. :shrug: I'm just saying I've not seen anything that says he cares.

:rolleyes: Well we've been alienated from a SB appearance for 48 years.

If they needed a special reffing crew in order to rig this game, how do they rig all the other ones?
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Coming to grips with it being rigged influenced doesn't make you hate the game you grew up playing, it makes you wonder if this is the year the NFL gives your small market team the nod.

And for those on the other side of the ledger, those who think the NFL is 100% unbiased toward certain teams fulfilling the most profitable script, and those thinking the Hunt family actually cares deeply about getting a SB victory, still can't explain how we've been SB dry for 48 years in a league of 32 teams and 6.25% of the teams attend the SB every year? Hell, the law of averages has us in the SB 3 times in the last 48 years, yet we've never sniffed one. Why? Just a coincidence? A run of bad luck? C'mon, the Hunts are the ONLY constant in the Chiefs organization for those 48 years, they never seem to say a ****ing thing, but we're supposed to conclude that they really care, they just can't bring themselves to express it publically?

I'm putting my money on the side of "don't care" (at least not much) instead of "silently care".

Why do you care?

1) Why? It seems with the cash these officials are getting paid, the lack of bias they claim to have, and knowing that there's a hold (on the line) on every play, why don't they start doing their job?

2) What if got you to the top is bullshit? IOW, what if our folks aren't doing anything more than any other team does?

3) If you truly believe it's subliminal (not on purpose), not suggested/directed/nudged from NFL NYC, perhaps it's time for the NFL to look into something better than the current officiating paradigm. Don't the fan deserve a balanced and unbiased officiating experience?

Perhaps the flip question is, why did they need a specially crafted crew?

Exactly.

The answers to those questions, imho, lie in :

The merger
Super Bowls III & IV
The Kansas City Shuffle

Why am I curious if he is gonna be able to hold off if he steps away? Why is anybody ever curious about anything? As a fellow fan that has suffered, I'm very interested in hearing if somebody really believes they can hold out.

And the chiefs failure is not a smoking gun of anything.

The mlb loves Chicago and the red Sox and look how long they went.

If somehow Clark gets to hold that trophy up @ Arrowhead and say: This is for you Dad!!!


I'm gonna lose it.

The Chiefs were the least penalized team in football for most of Marty's tenure. We didn't win shit.

Good teams overcome bad calls.

Because they wanted the best refs to ref their biggest game of the year.

So answer my question instead of trying to flip it.
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Tears. Guaranteed

It's really that simple. If we don't turn the ball over, it doesn't matter how many penalties the refs called, we would have won that game.
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If we only turn it over 4 times we win that game

Literally nobody has mentioned how we got away with a clear pass interference in the end zone. If scandrick holds on to the ball plenty of Rams fans would claim the refs let it go because of the "mahomes mania". And that's why they lost.

If that play happened against KC a thread would be dedicated to it.

Smoking gun, perhaps not. Something very noteworthy in a league with parity, yes, very noteworthy...

But alas, the Hunts have had enough!!!! What they've had enough of is the question...

Someone take the alcohol away from this guy please.

That's the carrot out in front of us for sure.

I will as well. And then I'll say "about ****ing time".

I think it would be more noteworthy if we had good QB's over the years and still didn't get over the hump. You can't just run probability numbers because this isn't a coin toss.

Plenty of teams in sports, even those in big markets, have gone as long or longer than KC has. If KC has been held out for specific reasons, why have the Jets? Certainly it isn't the market.

LMAO

The Cowboys haven't been to the SB in 24 years. Their owner runs his mouth nonstop.

I don't understand this. As King asked, if they already do a fine job of fixing games, why would they need a special crew? If you need a special crew to fix a game, then it stands to reason that you can't fix a game without it.

Do you have something that tells you that claim is remotely true? Some published stats of some sort? Or, perhaps it was because they wanted the refs who are most on board with the NFL's saga storyline and narrative.

Wow!

All of this. 100% agree.

We had two chances and blew them both. Shit happens. It was inevitable.

I think this loss will help this team tremendously in the playoffs. It was a great learning experience, especially for Mahomes.

Except Reid was the one that needed to learn, Mahomes was in a bad spot on that playcall under 2 minutes. That play looked more like a hail mary than a normal pass play. Sure Mahomes will learn but Reid needs to give him a chance to succeed on every play and teach him when hero ball is not needed on the agenda.

Common sense. There are something like 64 active officials in the NFL, now imagine how many have retired, been fired, replaced or whatever over the last 25 years for example.

You going to actually believe all these people involved in this conspiracy over the years and never a peep about it from any of them or anyone else involved in the NFL which would total probably 500+ people?

The turnovers were a definite contribution to the field position and the scoreboard favoring the Rams.

The officiating also had a significant impact on favorable field position for the Rams, resulting in points.

A bit of questionable game management in the later moments was involved in the final minutes restricting a comeback to a last gasp.

All combined to gift us a Chief's loss and a gift for the NFL.

IMHO.

Yeah I’ve been raging on Andy about that in another thread. He isn’t going to change. Not after 20 years of doing this.

It blows my mind that there are people who watch this and don’t admit it’s a huge problem.

I just asked for the NFL's scoring sheet that showed these folks were the best. Actually I'd like to see all the scoring sheets! And I'd like to know how they're scored. All we know now is they NFL claimed they were the best, but nothing to back it up that I know of.

Wouldn't it be great to know if the NFL has a "totally blown calls" and "s/he missed THAT O-line hold"?

Doesn't that sentiment go both ways? You are speaking just as matter of fact as he is, and have just as much to go on as he does.

Reed is upset about that missed call.


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He should be.

Dude, that wasn't a missed call. That was an ignored call. Everyone watching saw it.

I just want to know how the NFL scores their officials and where each ranks. With a sport the "stat'd" to the nth degree, is that too much to ask? If not, what are they hiding?

The NFL calls everything it sees, but only sees what it wants.

Believe me I am quite aware of that since I jumped on their bandwagon when they won it.

But the man at the top needs to handle things like a professional IMO. If he doesn't the whole organization is ****ed.

Like I said Cowboys owner is a loud mouth, that team hasn't been relevant going on 25 years. Glory's thought process on this is just a bunch of loud bluster based on nothing but emotion.

"Professionally" LMAO Why does that always mean "take it in the ass, don't whine, and don't do anything about it"? The man/men at the top seem to have let their "professionalism" get us to 48 years of no SB. Perhaps they might try something other than letting their team get ****ed while they walk away with millions upon millions. Unfortunately your description of professional and people who don't give a shit just happen to present themselves exactly the same.

That's a whole different question altogether. I'd be right there with you on that one. I personally would love it if officials also made statements after the game. I think European soccer does it if I remember correctly. I guess it might make the mob even more angry, but for me I would actually be able to get over calls if I actually heard the human being explain himself.

:rolleyes:

I'm not wrong dude, you are just jilted for some reason, You take every single chance you have to bash Clark and I am 100% certain you were part of the "Chiefs will never draft a QB in the 1st round" crowd.

When you are wrong sometimes just admit you are wrong, you double down.

Having them speak and take questions would be a watermelon-sized cherry on top, but for now I'd just like to see how the NFL scores their officials, and where each ranks. But alas, all the speaking they do is done with a yellow flag with no apparent repercussions.

Thats not an unreasonable idea as much shit as I give you about other ideas. :D

I'll admit it, I doubted they would take a QB in the first round. And man did they get a winner. WOW!!! It still doesn't change my opinion of the Hunt family, I don't think Clark cares too much about a SB, not as much as the fan base, and not as much as the cash he gets for being alive. He's a pawn in the owner's group, they know if he gets paid, he'll play more of an NPC role in their game.

Meh you are just literally making shit up in your head.

One of your "opinions" of the Hunt family already got ****ing steam rolled because they drafted a QB at #10 which would be enough but they also traded another 1st rounder to do it. 2 1st rounders for a QB. I mean thats like being as wrong as you can be about something.

Somehow that hasn't made you question your other beliefs on the same subject. Think about that.

This is directed at everyone, but NJChiefsFan's comment made me think about it.

We know that no human being is perfect, so we can't reasonably expect 100 percent accuracy and consistency on officials' calls. If we fed truth serum to officials and then interviewed them, they'd admit on some calls that they messed up. Even if they don't, a detailed review would show errors on some calls.

So recognizing that we can't find a perfect official, what's the minimum accuracy rate that's acceptable? Is it 90%? 95%? 99%? 99.0%? Assume that these are errors that aren't corrected via review.

It would be easier to swallow if it weren't 90% of the blown calls against one team or for another. Just sayin' man.

Hunt has thrown money at the best gm prospect at the time. When that didn't work, he threw money to get the best available coach. And the after that, he gave the go ahead to trade 2 first rounders for our franchise QB.

I don't see how you can criticize Hunt for anything. At worst, he's tried really hard for get us to a championship.
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They took a great QB at #10 and you're mad at me? Wow!

And my beliefs are a result of trying to figure out how the Hunt family could have failed in the business' ultimate goal, or even playing in it, for 48 years.

Why do you always dismiss those 48 years in your replies? If you don't you never type it. Just too painful? Leads you to conclusions that aren't comfortable? If your hero is Clark Hunt, what about the years between 1970 and when Clark took over in 2006/7? What happened in those 36 years? Just bad luck?

That's a good point. So maybe the key isn't improving officiating, but being sure that it's consistent. I don't know if that's easier to solve, but it might be.

You really don’t know the answer to this question?

Really?

Half of the fight is actually fighting, something I have rarely seen from Reid or our players. Look at the Donkeys I can still hear them complaining about that call/non call against them vs us earlier this year. Oh ya the delay of game, the entire donkey collective let it known it was bs and was even heavily covered in the media for a few days.

I'd like to ask them why a tug of the jersey in the secondary is a penalty and a spot foul, but jersey tugs on the O-line aren't, and why don't they call it when Chiefs defenders have the O-linemen's arms wrapped around their necks? And "I didn't see it" isn't OK, it's happen right in front of them, that's a lie. I know the answer is, "The NFL says it wants more scoring", we all know that, I just want to hear them admit it.

My argument is simple, the Hunt's didn't "not try" they just didn't succeed.

You are literally a person who argues everything in hindsight as if its fact that backs your argument.

If you were a Dallas fan right now, I am 100% certain you would be bitching about their last 24 years of futility and claiming Jerry stopped trying to win after 1994.

Here is an idea, just enjoy the here and now and stop worrying about the past.

Seriously he has to ask, he doesn't get it.

Look at the response below yours.

No, I've only guessed at it, the Hunt family's leadership.

The Chiefs were very successful in the late 60’s and won a Super Bowl.

The closest the Chiefs have been to the Super Bowl since then was in 93 when they went to the AFC Championhip game.

What was the difference between those years in Chiefs history and the rest?

The Hunts have counted on that exact enthusiasm for 48 years. While we glibly live in the here and now, earlier this year (I suspect), they divvy'd-up and spend the loot the NFL provides them.

As for the Cowboys, that's not what I'm looking for, perhaps I'm just looking for something more than what he's doing.

I don't know.

HOF QB and lack of HOF QBs

Certainly it's a plus (kind of a no-brainer "plus"), so why did the Hunts buck the system? Why did Clark continue the Hunt'ism until they drafted PM?

Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 1 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

I also think sometimes we assume refs enjoy calling in favor of the offense. The league creates the new rules. The refs get stuck trying to make black and white calls on grey rules. The unfair advantage for the wr drives me nuts at times.

Again maybe I'm in the minority but if I heard a guy, or the league, just admit when the call got ****ed up I would move on easier. NHL does it sometimes. NFL does it once in a blue moon.

Like when the ump admitted he screwed up the white Sox no hitter a few years back. I went from blasting the guy to respecting him. Same thing when I'm coaching baseball. Ump tells me he missed a call, I don't have much left to say.

It's when they won't talk to each other or to the coach, when they won't explain themselves or know the rules that I get mad.

Like tripplett. I don't care that a ref screws up. But this guy is in a game he doesn't deserve to be in and seems to care little that he royally blew a call. He just rides into the sunset. If he said "damn I can't believe my last act as a ref included that call", I could actually let it go. Nope. Nothing from him or the league.

NFL refs just walk around looking everywhere but the sidelines on questionable calls. Sorry, didn't hear a word you said.

I can see where you would like for Clark Hunt to rant and rave, pound his shoe on the table. That would clearly appeal to you.

For you to state that he doesn't care, is at the minimum a very poor observation.

If he didn't care, he would not have spent the kind of money hiring what seemed to be the best available GMs and HCs over the years.

You have no idea what he does or says to the NFL behind closed doors or in private.

You know, after watching those games yesterday, I am more confused than ever about the actual problem with the officiating.

I don't think it is a single issue.

The game/rules has become too complicated and fast for them to even be above average on accuracy. It seems like when the pace is slow, they get it right, but when it gets hectic, the officials cave.

Throw in the human factor of the home crowd, NFL marketing agendas and we have the current product.

That hit yesterday at the end of the Redskins game on the receiver was just astounding that it didn't draw a flag. The official just ignored it when confronted. I would bet it will draw a fine.

I have seen numerous hits on QBs in the last week that were much rougher than those that were drawing roughing calls earlier in other games.

All three favorites covered yesterday. Coincidence? I honestly have no idea what is going on, other than entertainment.

It's not a coincidence that we reached afc title games with dawson and montana.

By far, MOST of those QBs are hof qbs

We have one now. Just sit back and enjoy

I don't know why so many KC fans clamor for Clark to act like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder.

Jerry was lucky that as a new owner he was humble enough to let Jimmy Johnson do HIS thing and bring him a superstar team and 3 SB's (including Switzer's gravy train). Outside of that both guys just make their teams jokes.

I want my owner to do his best to hire the most qualified candidates. The man FINALLY got rid of Carl Peterson. While Pioli was a freaking disaster, it's not like he was some 'good old boy network scrub'. He was the most highly pursued GM candidate in the NFL. Pioli opted to hire Haley and Crennel. After that Clark decided he'd hire the damn coach.

With Reid it's the same thing. Reid was a big name coaching candidate, not some budget clown you bring in if you don't give a shit.

I'm far from traumatized that Clark didn't demand by fiat that KC draft Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith.

Instead he's responsible for the staff that drafted probably the best QB KC will ever have.

Basically GloryDayz is saying he’s mad Andy didn’t do this because the refs jobbed us.

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I couldn't agree more.

I would have lost a lot of money betting on the drafting of a QB when they took Mahomes. I was very pissed when they didn't draft Claussen or Rodgers when they were sitting there on the board for the taking.

My only real problem with Clark Hunt was that I was convinced there was a referendum put forth by Lamar never to draft in the first again.

I am just a fan and they are actually football people that know what they are doing I guess.

I agree on Andy doing something publicly, but not Clark.

Pound his shoe on the table? LMAO No, but speak to them sternly about life's realities would be nice. Who knows, maybe back in 2008 or 2009 they would have told him that he needs to pay attention to the NFL instead of the MLS, and see that no team without a franchise QB is going to enjoy the favor of the NFL's officiating crews (then wink at him). And, if that is true (the whole QB thing), why have the Hunts been so stupid about getting a QB?

As for him spending money, they all do, what's your point? How much of his ~#100M "clean" did buying your continued loyalty really cost him? 48 years of no SB, ~20% of those 48 years are on his watch, and it took 46 to get a great QB. Again, the consistent name with Chiefs failure here is "Hunt", nobody else.

Yet some will claim the officials aren't having the NFLs priorities and concerns expressed to them, but the focus of calls seem to change. Kind of odd.

Oh, and offensive holding is neither complicated nor difficult to see, they just need to start calling it. And call it with the same standard for holding that's applied to the defensive secondary.