This is about where I'm at.

For all of the people "waiting for facts", so many seem to be only waiting for facts that clear Hill. These text messages certainly look better for Tyreek but until they're independently verified, they really don't mean anything. They're not anymore concrete than the phone recording, the DA not pressing charges, or any of the rest of it. So why are all these "patient" people already declaring him innocent?

As for me, I certainly want him to be innocent. I want to see him play for the Chiefs again. I really don't want to see him play for someone else. But if we're going to wait for all of the fact to emerge, we have to be honest and wait for ALL of the fact to emerge.

They WERE.

By an INDEPENDENT computer forensics company.

The law firm didn't give it to their nerd in the back server room.

Because this evidence is ironclad and flies in the face of every piece of bullshit that the media tried to trump up as TYREEK HILL, WORST HUMAN TO WALK THE EARTH, HITLER IN PADS.

Spot on^


I used to laugh at his shit. Now it’s full-on SJW and screaming at people he seems to be bad people. It’s sad.

A company paid by the defense to analyze forensics data isn't independent. That's not how things work, dude.

C'mon, man. You really think these kind of lawyers would pay someone to fake that kind of data? It wouldn't hold up in court AT ALL.

Crystal and the media went off all half-cocked here and the pros hit a hanging curveball out of the park.

This is already over in my mind.

It's not about faking data. It's that even forensic evidence presented in a court of law is subject to interpretation and only as good as the sway it has on the jury.

How is that in nearly EVERY case where forensic evidence is key, BOTH sides have forensic "experts" and they always come to different conclusions?

It's because they aren't paid to be objective, they're paid to get an acquittal (or a conviction).

As for this being over, if the texts are real and true, as you believe they are, then Tyreek is probably in trouble for not handing them over before.

We all WANT this to be over. It isn't over and it probably won't be for a while yet, unfortunately.

This isn't going to court. ROFL

Only thing is all of the "facts" were not out there before everyone was crucifying Hill. I'm not waiting for facts to clear Hill, I'm waiting for facts to PROVE SOMETHING.

This is what I know, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hill was not home when he saw on his camera that his fiance was passed out with his kid running around.

The broken arm was investigated and determined that it was caused by an accident and NOT by abuse.

Text messages have been authenticated as real(I'm sure we'll see more into this).

We're not in Hill's situation. Did Hill or his fiance think it'd get this far? Have they fallen out since this went down? Did he realize she was recording conversations in a public area where he most likely just wanted to end it so it didn't cause a scene? Is he now releasing more evidence because it was not previously needed and now is trying to clear his name since everyone is characterizing him as some child abuser?

When your subject of interest in a criminal investigation, ALL evidence is relevant. There is no such thing as "well, I'm going to hold onto it because it isn't needed."

That's universal. I don't have to be in Hill's situation to know you don't withhold information from law enforcement during an active investigation.

The text messages were authenticated by a forensics expert hired by Hill's lawyers. You and I may want to believe they are true but it doesn't matter what we think. You can be sure others will weigh in on them. Until the DA or similar 2nd party comes out and agrees with the authentication, they're not authentic. It doesn't work that way.

You're making assumptions that the investigators asked all the right questions and insinuating he purposely withheld evidence. Do you have anything to back this up? Could it not be his team is still working with him to find more evidence due to the case rumored to be re-opened? His name being further dragged in the dirt and ultimately taking away what could have been a massive contract

It absolutely will go to civil court. In fact, it's already IN family court.

There's more to this than criminal allegations.

I agree, if he truly has months worth of texts like they say. It should be pretty easy to authenticate them based on previous conversations, how they talk, etc.

I've said all along that I'm making that assumption. That's why I've used words like "could" and "possibly".

The only difference between my assumption and the people assuming he's innocent is that I actually admit the following:

ALL of it is assumption. We literally don't know anything. Still.

I disagree, there are plenty of facts about this case that if known from the beginning could have changed public perception of Hill. Media sensationalizing headlines about a passed out women, etc.

Hill was not present at home when she was passed out.

The broken arm was deemed an accident and not by abuse.

Two big facts there.

^^^ Says this stupid shit, but has the noose tied for Tyreek because of unverified audio tapes manufactured by the crazy bitch ^^^

LMAO

False.

Crystal passed out? TYREEK MUST HAVE DONE IT!!!!

And most people fell for that shit. Myself included.

**** 'em.

Honestly, I've been logged in so off and on the past few months, I'm not even sure what "passing out" incident you guys are talking about. :D

:spock:

It could be worse...friend of mine wants him to hang so bad he's basically saying there aren't any text messages and the lawyer is lying because "that text is just typed" then he cites some lawyer that was on 610.

This is a witch hunt.

Tyreek is Trump, the broken arm is Russian collusion, him being a dick on tape is obstruction of justice.

And it's all bullshit.

I never fitted Hill for noose. The only thing I said that comes even remotely close is that I thought he did it and hoped the Chiefs cut him if he did.

All along, my commentary has been more about the NFL and their ability to punish him, whether he committed a crime or not.

And that is still pretty likely to happen, BTW. Goodell is a power hungry jerk.

Finally what I’ve wanted to say but didn’t want to bring DC into this :clap:

Innocent until PROVEN guilty. The media and quite a few fans need to put away their pitchforks and torches until there's a legitimate legal conviction. And NO, I don't think a parent should get jail time for spanking a kids ass. That's half the problem with kids of this generation. There was no serious repercussion for wrong doings and kids will push you as far as they can to see what they can get by with.

Down here in Texas, elementary & primary schools still use a wooden paddle. Imagine the outrage!

I had my ass paddled a few times, and I knew where the line was before there was a scolding harsher than "time out" that occurred. And the "punch to the chest", despite being wrong, is more than likely dramatized by the child's mother. Common damn sense tells you that Hill didn't outright punch the child. Both of my parents would have been burned at the stake if people here were judge and jury. I love both of them and have and will do anything they need. They taught me morals, work ethics, and took us to church to keep our priorities right.

WE GOOD..

Sadly, yes...

Look I'm not saying if he is isn't charged to not play him this year, sure go ahead and play him and try to make and win the superbowl, that's all good by me.

My take is that drama follows this guy in a bad way.

I'm for tagging him at the end of the season and trading him for a 1st round pick, if he keeps his nose clean someone won't be able to resist. If we walk away with a 1st then I'm good.

There is nothing to warrant a suspension, much less to cut him.

I'm not trading our Jerry Rice for 5 first round picks. Some partnerships can not be priced.

Tyreek will be in the HOF someday. Why people want to trade him I will never understand

Maybe a little suspicion, but not enough to halt our progress toward a Super Bowl with him helping as a member of our team.

You literally voted that you are in favor of releasing him. I still don't understand this line of thinking, outside of overly-emotional petulance.

Hear hear!

The Shameful 236.

Brand them and march them to the sea.

Nah, **** that.

KC releases Hill

The media would respond with "Oh, what a move by the chiefs, taking a stand. Good for them!"

Another team signs Tyreek Hill later and and it's all:

"Well, what a smart move to get a great player for so cheap. Everyone deserves second chances!"

Yeah, I already watched the Kareem Hunt thing play out, and I think he's THE best running back in the NFL. No more shedding great players for nothing if they're just going to play elsewhere. I don't want to play AGAINST Tyreek Hill. **** THAT. Leave it to the Patriots to sign him, rebrand him as a hall of famer, and everyone to just ****ing ignore all the negative shit.

NO!!

Mrs Piggy and KKK Kietzman can get a room with a view of riot night at Worlds of Fun

Carry on.........

Kietzman has no dick or balls, no need for a room.

True to that.
I try to listen to 810 on the internet. the afternoon kkk programing drives me bat shit crayz.

how did people think the hunt deal would go down? I mean, who didn’t think he’d suit up for another team as soon as he was reinstated?

When I’m able to listen I listen to Soren from 10-2, then immediately turn to 610.

KK is such a whiny little b*tch (about everything not just this). It gets nauseating.

Granted 610 was right there with him on the Tyreek thing, but they seem to have walked it back a little.

This freaking board is right there with them. Chief Fan doesn’t really give a **** about winning.

KC sports radio is some of the lamest s*** I've ever heard. I wouldn't even waste my time with that garbage.

I really needed to f*** your mom in the ass later that day, so I went ahead and voted no.

We good fam?

Tyreek trying to find Kietzman's tiny dick:


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Pursuing (and presumably conquering) ones mother and then voting no to the poll has nothing to do with one or the other. But I would assume you are good if you fed her and she left happy.

LMAO

It's a political statement really. The post makes as much sense as keeping Hill away from team activities at this point.

I have come to a conclusion-
90% of the other NFL teams/ fans are scared to even visit this forum
Claynus and the 86 thread is the icing on the cake.
KKK is reading this and will respond in the PM. Or will be twittering soon....
You all rock.
Carry on

It was ridiculous from the very first day to demand he be cut. It continues to be ridiculous at this point.

On the ridiculousness scale, it is also right up there to say we should trade him because of this, even if and when nothing comes of this whole situation.

Gorilla that is the problem- Nobody in the front office FULLY thought thru the actual /potential consequences with K Hunt release. With Tyreek- They are living once bitten twice shy. Damned if you Do / Damned if you don't has turned into the waiting game we are all living.

There was literally no downside to keeping Hunt; I said the same at the time.

Yes yes yes

Just don't get what releasing him proved, beyond the fact that no one is going to care when he takes the field in week 9 this year and the Chiefs got absolutely nothing for him.

I think the Chiefs expected the NFL to suspend him for the entire next season. They won't make the same mistake twice. Everyone knew he would suit up again.

I know that and regardless of what the uber lib /sjw crowd is espousing
I agree WITH YOU- as bad as it sound to the guy who works 9-5, drives a Prius and spends his weekend protesting the guberment for the injustice of the day.

Logic and reason is a powerful tool.

Even if they did, what’s the advantage in releasing him?

Zero. Zilch. Nada.
That means no advantage to those of you who went to private skool

Getting away from the media firestorm it caused. Thats pretty much the only thing they could have been thinking.

Lord knows the Browns are certainly taking it on the chin.

Well of course, they are the saviors that provided him a second chance. They come out smelling like roses. He will probably get comeback player of the year too.

Its a load of crap but it is what it is.

Just how does having 1/2 of your offence being violent crininals charged or not affect he value of the team?

At what point does Clark say "Take the offer, get it in front of the League. I quit"?

So "violent criminals" is now kicking a racist, drunk chick in the ass ...Damn, I think Quentin Tarantino has his next villain for a new movie.

"Dont look him in eye...He's been known to kick people in the ass for calling him n#gger...even the rarest of all cherished life-forms arent safe...a white entitled brat from the suburbs...he knows no bounds. He's a dangerous monster"

The internet has ruined humans...

Feel like this should be pinned to the top for reference.

After the initial media releases, Hill looks like he probably didn't do it. We don't know and until we know the team shouldn't release him. Unless there is concrete proof, hell no.

fyp

What if the Chiefs went ahead and announced that Tyreek will be back with the team next year?

Take the media shit storm now and no one will care by the time the season starts. There will be a bit of a circus at training camp, but this at least gives our players time to prepare for that. Reid has plenty of time to coach everyone up on their responses to the reporters.

Then you walk into a mob of protesters and reporters swarming the first day of TC. I suppose you could announce it and then have press conferences every day until they all get worn out and stop coming.

It certainly wouldn't hurt, but the Chiefs don't exactly make smart decisions (see: Hunt, Kareem).

Who gives a ****?

I imagine that Tyreek Hill, Andy Reid, and Veach care because they have to sit there and take shit for a couple of hours each day. At least they would probably get tired of asking the same questions and stop showing up.

If that’s going to happen, wouldn’t you prefer it happen at the beginning of Training Camp as opposed to Week 1? Go ahead and take the lumps if you know they’re coming.

Nothing says the Chiefs can’t release Tyreek Hill later if new evidence comes out. Just deal with it then.

Yea, i get it. But it Hill would also get lost in the swarm of stuff going on during the start of training camp. Everyone interviewing people all over. Hill would be less of a spectacle when surrounded by a ton of other stuff during TC.

I don't know, there's good and bad either way. Hill is going to have to stand up and take shit sooner or later. The Chiefs would do well to take Hill to school about doing interviews. Teach him how to avoid certain words and never show anger etc. How Hill presents himself during Press Conference will help or hurt a lot.

Release him once the evidence says so.
Until then, u keep him suspended and practice and play without him.

ROFL

dude didn't do anything

how about we just let him play and skull**** everyone and give a giant middle finger to the rest of the league and the media?

What if Mahomes says he won't sign an extension if we cut Hill?

Dude.

Tyreek Hill is not going to be cut under any circumstances.

Stop reading bullshit in the media.