I haven't seen anyone hoping that the truth is hidden ... from anyone.

I've seen denial, anger, bargaining ... all the normal stages of grief. But I haven't seen anyone pleading for a cover-up. Maybe I missed it.

For my part, I would welcome absolute transparency in this deal. It would bring some closure for everybody and reveal the "whos" and "whys" that are extremely murky at this point.

Meanwhile, the sanctimonious posturing is a little hard to handle when it takes the form of conflating a reasonable desire for objectivity with abuse-abetting. I mean, damn ...

FAX

He said I didn't do nothing. That's a double let negative. He did something. Send him to the gallows.

You didn't translate it. Remember the movie Airplane, that politically correct masterpiece on air travel.

Nah, he beat his kid with a belt and switch so extreme that he caught the kid's nutsack and split it open...

That bitch is so dumb for making that recording. She just lost 30 million in child support

Worse she could end up in jail.... Nothing on the recording is going to hurt Tyreek legally, but it could hurt her.

If they had nothing to charge him with before, they sure as shit have nothing now. Her testimony in court wouldn't pass.

This is why the NFL needs to draw the line. If they don’t there will be a team that snags up Hill in a heartbeat the second the Chiefs cut him. They will care little to nothing for the court of public opinion as long as they are winning.

Why?

It's called the free market for a reason.

It is, absolutely. This is still a situation where the NFL has to get involved or else it is foolish for the Chiefs to cut him.

That was some major BS right there.

The woman seems highly manipulative in the audio.

Tyreek didn’t admit to any breaking of the law. Even her verbiage of “punching” the kid in the chest is highly misleading. Obviously hill isn’t “punching” the baby or there would
Be massive bruise marks and broken ribs

I'd be willing to guess that movie predates Superturtle's existence by at least a decade if not more.

We don't know that it's misleading. No, it isn't obvious that Hill wasn't "punching" nor do we know if there were any bruises.

But yes, it does seem that she was trying to manipulate something.

The kid is probably 30 pounds or something. There’s no way he was actually punching him in the chest.

That is deliberate, excessive abuse...it seems like people want use that word and it make all instances the same.

(I want to preface that Hill denies breaking his sons arm)

Hypothetically...what if Hill had his son by the arm and the kid twists away...Hill yanks him back and accidentally his arms breaks. Hill is a strong, compact human.

Did Hill DELIBERATLEY break his arm? Did he intentionally intend to injure him? Peterson actions were premeditated and he repeatedly injured his son...

Now..Crystal's Step-mother knows about Hill's past..and has made it known she doesn't like him. A picture of his son in a cast is blackmail gold. She knows the public is just waiting to crucify him and he has a contract looming. Crystal also knows by bringing up a chest punch (deliberate baiting)..it sounds damning yet she doesn't seem too distraught/worried over it. I wouldn't let anyone near my kid if they were punching them in chest..hard enough to hurt them. I dont think he was doing it hard enough to hurt him..

The moral of the story is "Abuse" is a big word....and it gets bounced around like it applies equally to every instance.

This. You're Tyreek Hill - why not just leave the discipline to Mom?

Here's a thought:

If you want to be the "good guy" so ****ing bad, how about not bringing this type of player in at all? The odds are clearly ****ing you in the ass, yet you persist in opening up the turnstile and yelling, "OKAY ASSHOLES, COME ON DOWN"!
And Clark, and Veachy-Poo, and Reidy-Bear ALL keep signing off of on this shit, don't they?

And this is why I'm giving ZERO ****ing sympathy to these clowns, and also why by God I DEMAND that they let the legal system and the NFL do their jobs instead of rushing to release the player for no compensation or patience to ride the storm out.
Because to ME, just releasing the player outright so that they can look like "good guys" and help ease the conscience of the COMPLETE ****ING HYPOCRITES who cheered this man on for three seasons KNOWING BEFOREHAND what type of person they were getting, are the actions of COMPLETE COWARDS.

If you don't want to ride the ride, don't buy the ****ing ticket.

I was messaged at 4:38 yesterday about the audio, could be nothing but when did the news first break?

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There's plenty of "way". We just don't know. It's stupid to assume otherwise.

The punch doesn't have to be a Mike Tyson left hook. It COULD be as light as a fist bump, it COULD be hard enough to inflict pain.

We don't know. So to say "there's no way" is just silly.

You're a ****ing loser of a father and I'm sure never married the mother because you're a junkie. You shouldn't even enter a thread revolving abuse of a child due to the fact your own mental abuse use you put on your own family. ****ing loser

Dude, lay off.

There's no need to get personal about this shit.

Man the **** up. Can you not debate with out going low and personal?

This. All day long this. The Chiefs suspended him. Now, let the legal system and the NFL do their jobs.

Nah it's personal with this racist POS.

Anyways, a child's arm was broken, logic and character assessment points to tyreek but let's hope the truth is revealed for the child so he can be safe.

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Yea we do bro, he would have broken bones and at the very least lots of soft tissue damage and Tyreek would have been charged. I have no idea if he abused his child just saying.

You're "special"... We know it. You don't have to prove it.

who does this mult belong to

Chris Benoit is a better father

It's tough NOT to get personal. This is a pretty charged situation, and it brings the worst out in a lot of us.

But **** it. Let's just move on.

Very good suggestion.

Lesson 101 in why you don't share private info with a bunch of internet strangers.

I think rabble is being as goofy as a pet raccoon on this subject but goddamn, guys

Yep..and the next team's fan base will rationalize the same once he makes them Playoff contenders...obviously morality is on a sliding scale. They will scream moral supremacy and justice on internet until he's helping their team win..

BTW...can the Brooke woman do a hit piece on Rothlesberger? I mean he actually raped a woman while his security guard watched the door. I know it happened a few years ago...but it STILL happened and he is playing in the NFL. How can the NFL allow this? Does time remove accountability...and would he be held to a different standard if he did the same exact thing this year?

Did the NFL apply a "no rapist" clause that is only applicable post 2014? You could rape away before that....and nobody brings it up? "It's OK...we didn't give a shit back then"

If the NFL is going to have this righteous code...it needs retro-actively to apply to everyone...even star QBs that are white.

No, a punch doesn't have to mean broken bones. It most likely wouldn't include broken bones unless he was trying to lay the kid out.

And we don't know if there was soft tissue damage. There very well could have been.

We just don't know. We shouldn't assume either way.

Screen shots in discord

Yeesh.

Screenshots of what?

In case anyone missed it...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Criminal case against Tyreek Hill, fiance reopened following audio&#39;s release <a href="https://t.co/MXfH83WFp0">https://t.co/MXfH83WFp0</a> <a href="https://t.co/NUnzCAKQCo">pic.twitter.com/NUnzCAKQCo</a></p>&mdash; KCTV5 News (@KCTV5) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5/status/1121854752030187521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I won't argue shades of gray, you know what I was getting at. I guess my only real issue is when she says certain things happened they could be taken way out of context and be very leading and assumptive like they sounded. Then again he could be the biggest asshole in the world. I can't even imagine ever hurting any child much less my own or seeing that they fear me in any way. It's really sad.

No, but she's apparently already published her hit piece on Frank Clark, so it's good to know that the fat, annoying SJW is doing her feminine duty to save all of our souls.

****ing ****. :#

Lock him up

IMHO, a criminal conviction and a significant jail sentence would be the one outcome everyone can get behind, fan or not. Eliminate the entire "ethics of the NFL" argument.

She was right from the jump in Reek. The cynicism here is awful.

Well looks like she was completely right about Hill - and all the over-the-top twitter harassment she got was bullshit.

Maybe if someone had dug into Hill's life earlier - there would have been some warning signs and he could have gotten help before it came to this.

Maybe the same goes for Hunt.

There's nothing wrong with doing your job as a reporter. In the long run it could even help us vs. covering up and enabling the problem until it turns into a Hill, Hunt, Belcher, etc.

I mean whether or not he intended to hurt the child is up in smoke but the child is still 3. You don't roughhouse with 3 year olds.

The point I've been making since last night. Her credibility is dogshit.

I used to box with my dad and took kenpo lessons when I was 3.

I totally agree.

I hope that fat **** has a tall glass of chilled antifreeze with her plate of reheated spaghetti tonight

The biggest problem I have with all of this is that KCTV isn't interested in justice. They aren't interested in protection of the child. They are interested in ratings.

I want to see them cover other child abuse topics with the same fervor. But they won't because it doesn't move the needle. They may (or may not) be doing some good here but it's self-serving.

Someone did, and yet we still welcomed him here with open arms, and cheered for him every Sunday.

NO SHE'S NOT! God DAMN. Let the ****ing courts do their job before proclaiming her some kind of ****ing clairvoyant, please.

And she's on my ****ing list. I'll be watching her every move VERY ****ing closely from here on out. Nope, I'm not done with her ass by a country mile yet.

She's probably still pissed that the Royals championship team materialized too quickly for her to torpedo it.

Ben has more than one rape to his credit.

There's been a few :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/broadly...sexual-assault

And he was creeping on Stormy Daniels :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc...er%3f_amp=true

This report clarifies that Crystal created this recording to save her ass. She then left it with a friend and the audio was passed around.

So yeah, that confirms that she set his ass up in this recording.

She's doing a bang up job of removing/tarnishing KC's best payers...I appreciate her "helping" the Chiefs...all the way out of SB contention.

I hope every SJW feels vindicated...for about 2 days until there is another cause to bitch on the internet about...then watch the Chiefs lose in the Play-offs because they are "better" somehow.

Not one ****ing person ever viewed Hill as a role model...they viewed him as the fastest player in the history of the NFL. That's all he ever was...his personal life has no bearing on your life what so ever. He was hired to entertain you on a football field..not cure cancer. He owes nothing more than that...I'm trying to figure when people starting thinking they did. That their personal life somehow became their business too...maybe when reality TV started.

Well, they won't try to keep each other out of trouble now, the time has come with the audio out that they will both turn on each other!

Both are going to be charged with contempt of court as well as Obstruction of Justice.

Dear lord

Her ass is bigger than a country mile.

Accurate.

Premeditated line of questioning, no doubt.

It's not her job to help the Chiefs. She's reporting the facts. If she writes an opinion piece, it's her opinion - it's not fact and shouldn't be treated as such. Just because YOU have a problem with that mechanism speaks about YOUR shortcomings as an informed citizen.

So what does this mean?

He good?

It means he's ****ed and won't be a Chief come OTA's.

Damn, he not good.

What's the big deal? He's been beating on this kid since before it was born. But he's fast.

Best thing for him to do is lock himself in a gym for the next few years and only come out for practice and games. He needs to keep that 40 time low for as long as he can because the split second he can no longer burn it's over for him. No post-football career, no ring of fame, no endorsements, no nothing.

He's a piece of shit who can help his team win a ring so good people that ordinarily wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire will tolerate him for the time being.
I get it.

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As others have pointed out, with the release of the tape, the big bucks are gone. There's a good chance they turn on one another. Additionally, the tape, if unknown by the Chiefs and the NFL (and even Hill) blows apart any PR strategy that may have been in play. Hard to see how how Hill plays for us again unless there is some other dramatic new revelation implicating Crystal (or Hill's mom) for the broken arm.

Simply amazing that the two dumbshits found a way to torch $100 million.

She's the worst thing to happen to KC sports reporting since Teicher, but at least he's just a harmless idiot trying to earn a paycheck.

....so much dysfunction.

another 50 years of futility?

Informed...you mean like viciously living through the private life of an athlete. Yeah...i dont give a **** about TMZ, character assassinations and moral hit pieces. I dont care about Hill's family problems...the internet has created a sickness..Its spreading poisonous gossip that has given voice to those who should never say or judge anything....it's the white plague of consciousness.

If Crystals step-mother hadn't tried to peddle this story to TMZ for retribution...nobody would know or care about Hills home life....as they shouldn't. It's none of their business..

The PM2 Force with you is weak...Pat should help to make-up for what we've usually lacked....

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She should be more worried about Tyreek. When he heard that audio, he freaked out for sure.

I despise most political correctness, social media, and the hyper-sensitivity of modern society. However, this is NOT what that is...it's about a guy who didn't learn his lesson, and a whole bunch of other people trying to rationalize his relapse.

It will be a better world when this type of narrow-minded and self-serving perspective diminishes greatly with the passing of the Boomers.....

I don't know what's more embarrassing...Tyreek's behavior or the justification of it.

Throughout the course of this whole debacle, I've seen:
- Going after and getting personal about Brooke Pryor
- Talking about how our culture is "soft" and needs more discipline (beating isn't discipline, by the way).
- Blaming Tyreek's upbringing
- Talking about the legality of the audio
- Putting the blame on the fiancee for lying to investigators to protect Tyreek for something he didn't do.

I'm definitely in the "let the process play out before taking definitive action" crowd, but considering his history and all the smoke around him now, we should stop acting like Raiders fans and justifying/explaining/defending someone who is probably a POS just because he is incredibly talented.

And C'mon...if he wasn't our superstar, none of you self-appointed defenders of justice would waste another minute thinking about him.

It sucks all around.

He should probably be on a suicide watch--seriously; this thing could go Belcher if they aren't careful...

Because Chiefs.

So what did she lie about?

There has to be somewhere between beating your kids or letting them get away with anything they want. I grew up in the era of spare the rod/spoil the child however the only times I was ever spanked was was when I hit one of my sisters. Even so, most of the time, my parents simply took away something that I liked and let me know what I was going to lose if I kept misbehaving. Actions have consequences. After a while, just knowing that I had disappointed my parents hurt worse than any spanking I ever got.

I believe parents do the best that they can with the knowledge that the have. If you only have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

To me, the problem is due to parents being unable to say NO and wanting to be their childs friend instead of a parent because it seems easier.

What's that? That doesn't really exist, man. Get real.