Maybe, but it's probable, based on Andy's precedents. CEH is a rookie. Damien is a known quantity and Washington is also a known quantity and a vet. Unless CEH has a photographic memory and just blows up from day 1, he's going to slot behind the vets.

Woah hold on a sec. Let’s give some damn respect to Damien Williams. That guy is about as elusive as it gets. He also has 11 playoff TD’s in 2 years.

That’s not me arguing against CEH by saying that. Let’s just keep in mind how goddamn good Damien was for us. Give him his due.

There’s some injury issues there too.

More than anything, I just think we could get a lot more immediate impact from several other positions. Shenault, especially in this weird offseason, probably wouldn’t start a game for this offense in 2020. I know Watkins and Robinson could leave next year, but we can worry about that then.

Considering that Damien Williams is good for about 6 regular season games, as he's always injured during Training Camp, I don't think CEH would be behind anyone currently on this roster.

It's pretty clear the Chiefs targeted CEH as the Week 1 starter and are going to load him up this season.

Williams will be an afterthought, although he could be valuable as a spot back, if he's healthy, which certainly isn't a guarantee.

So the dude that said CEH to KC was his worst nightmare...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the exact moment I found out that Clyde Edwards-Helaire was going to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> on last night&#39;s live stream. <br><br>KC&#39;s wildest dream scenario is the rest of the AFC&#39;s worst nightmare. <a href="https://t.co/myoZM5iN9D">pic.twitter.com/myoZM5iN9D</a></p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1253696074734137345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No, it's not.

The ****ing guy has 1,200 rushing yards and 12 TD's in SIX ****ING SEASONS!

He's the furthest thing on this roster from a 16 game starter, especially at age 28.

He was easily replaceable so the Chiefs replaced him with a far superior running back.

Thats the thing, you don't need him to start, you make him a 10-20 play package guy where he can give you snaps all over the field even wildcat QB...that ads an element to the offense that is sick.

RB's are comically underpaid so I don't think putting the tag on a back is a big deal. That's why I was like **** it, do the 5th year option and even franchise tag him once.

That's 6 years of pretty good value with zero long term big money committment.

Exactly. If the Chiefs hit on a UDFA, he could even bring back a player in a trade before the season starts.

For whatever dumb reason, there's a large population of Damien Williams fans that think he's the guy that excelled in the 2019 playoffs and Super Bowl.

He's not. Not even close.

That's the player he could be, if healthy, but he's never been healthy, even going back to college, which is why he was a UDFA.

Shit man with the efficiency this team has operated with? I think it could be much longer than that. As long as Andy Reid doesn’t have a stroke we’re good for maybe the next decade.

Spags isn’t getting another HC job and we all know Toub isn’t either.

We’re going to have Mahomes, Veach, Andy, Spags and Toub running this football team.

Jesus. The Chiefs really could run the 2020’s.

That's hilarious. And eye-opening. I have a lot of respect for Kollmann's analytical capabilities. And it sounds like he thinks CEH is going to be the starter pretty quickly. Might have to take back my earlier thoughts about CEH slotting behind DW for the season.

He was good for 4 playoff games. He was only healthy enough to play in 6 regular season games.

The guy has talent but his body just can't hold up over the course of an NFL season.

Or six.

Jonathan Taylor is bigger, faster, had a more productive NCAA career.

Hmmmmm?

I’m as big of a Damien Williams homer as one can find and will die on that hill like I died on the Johnny Cueto is an ace hill.

But I’m stoked with this pick, absolutely stoked. I expect 2020 for Damien Williams will be a lot like 2017 for Alex Smith. If Damien can finally be the starter for 16 games, he’ll be playing for a contract on his next team. I’ll still root for Damien to slay it next year, but we all know who’s waiting in the wings.

Nobody is drafting for great ncaa status reerun

That's changed a bit over the past few years. Gurley got $15 million+ and McCaffrey received $16 million per.

If CEH lives up to expectations, he could see $18-20 million in 2024 on the 5th year option and maybe much more.

He also sucks as a receiver.

So why all the videos of NCAA exploits reerun?



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He also had a shit ton of carries and fumbles....

I disagree.

If the Chiefs can draft Shenault at #63 or even a bit higher, we're looking a guy that's going to be able to step in and make an impact this season.

Keep in mind, Sammy Watkins hasn't played a full 16 game season since 2014 and as much as the Chiefs like Hill and Hardman, I'd rather see a guy like Shenault late in the season rather than DRob, who just seems to wilt in pressure situations.

This team needs three dominant WR's to be effective and a guy like Shenault could do that if any of them missed any amount of time.

Wisconsin RB's come out really abused, he touched the ball more than any other back, he's a good runner with elite top end speed....he also isn't a good receiver..

I'm not a fan of Wisconsin backs, Melvin Gordon is good but all the other like Montee Ball were not.

If he hits the escalators well the money will probably be worth it.

The top back or two are nicely paid but generally they never typically see the big money portion and backs 4 and 5 are rather underpaid. I think it's still a quality option.

What becomes of Darwin Thompson? 3rd string status forever?

Also it's the 32nd freaking pick. It's not like RBs all of a sudden become ok value at 33 because it's now the second round.

People talk about the 2nd overall pick and 32nd as "first round" like they have anything in common with each other.

very different skillset.

Way more mileage.


Not as perfect a fit.

Uh, I was one of the people that pointed out Damien's career stats at the beginning of last season when we picked up Shady, but thanks for the refresher.

None of that changes the fact that Andy likes veterans over rookies. But as I said above, Kollmann seems to believe that CEH will be a starter sooner rather than later, and I respect his opinion. That said, I have to rethink my position, but we all know that Andy is a vet over rookie coach. So IMO, Damien will start to begin with, but maybe CEH takes over by mid-season. A lot will depend on his pass pro, which isn't a strength in his game, and just as importantly, his blitz recognition, which actually looks like a strength, in the highlight clips I've seen.

He left college with five receiving TD's, CEH....one.

That's a gigantic "IF', especially given that he's 28 and has never been able to stay healthy throughout the course of a season.

But that said, he's certainly a valuable spot back that can give CEH a breather, but he's in no way, shape or form, a 25+ touches per game type of guy, not in college, not in Miami and not with the Chiefs.

Poor guy in the red is a Texans fan.

Jesus, his reaction reminds me so much of how I felt watching other franchises running circles around us as we stayed content with 9-7 in the mid 2000's.

Taylor has fumbling issues too IIRC.

No offense but I think your takes here are ****ing stupid.

The Chiefs aren't taking a guy like CEH at #32, then making him sit behind a walking Injury Report.

Not gonna happen.

I'm not holding my breath, but if there's a season where he magically puts it together for 16 games - it's this one (where millions are on the line).

15-20 touches a game is optimal for Williams and I have a feeling he'd be right around that number at the start of next season with CEH getting more and more of a share as the season progresses. If Williams gets hurt early, I'm sure CEH will get a Kareem Hunt like chance to take the rock and never have to give it back.

I think you guys that favoring Williams over CEH are smoking crack.

But then again, more than 50% of people that read my reasoning for taking a Feature Back early thought it would never happen because of Damien.

I don't agree with that, at all, and I'm very happy the Chiefs agree with me, not them.

The ability of this offense to stretch the field just seems downright unfair, as if that was not already the case. Clyde causing 97 missed tackles against a top flight schedule translates to many future first downs and visits to the end zone.

You really think that Andy's going to start CEH from day 1?

It's gonna be like 1a and 1b thing this year

Cut list, ideally.

I wonder how many teams wanted Love.

We're talking about different things.

Damien's VERY fast, and if he's got a hole, he can take it all the way.

He can also get you some yards after contact at the second level, and bull his way through.

But he needs a clean hole or he's toast.

What I'm talking about with elusive is that CEH has that crazy jitterbug thing and can take a 5 yard loss and turn it into a big gain by making people just flat miss. That's some rare stuff.

Damien's done a nice job, and in the play-offs was very good, but he's injury prone and doesn't have the best vision. CEH excels in lateral agility (making guys miss) and vision. He's also got a low center of gravity and can bull his way for extra yardage too. And have you seen him run slot receiver type routes?

Sorry, this is a different level of talent.

Brian Westbrook left college as the all time all purpose yards leader with 9,952. And if CEH is better than him ....wow!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolute positively

according to Reid, yeah.

I think I'll take Big Red's word for it for now.

I expect earlier in the year, you'd see more of Damien, with some Clyde packages of plays.

As the season wears on, you'll see more and more of Clyde as he has more and more of the offense under his belt.

I expect a nice even overall season split between them.

Williams of course isn't super durable while CEH will be adjusting to NFL power, speed and the much longer season. They probably shouldn't overwork him as a rookie while they still have DWill.

I think if there's any question, any question at all over CEH's pass blocking on Day 1 then Damien will be the starter. Reid has always put a lot of value in that in the offense and watching the All 22 of the Super Bowl it's clear why. Part of why I think Damien might be the starter isn't due to Damien homerism, but the likelihood that training camp will be cancelled due to COVID. CEH is just not going to get the reps he would in a traditional offseason.

If he stays healthy, I'm about at 100% that CEH will be the starter by the end of the year, though. Potentially much earlier.

Why do people do that? Say 'Hmmmmm' after stupid shit they think is brilliant? I never see actual brilliant people say shit like that.

Also, JT is great, tons of wear, not nearly the receiver CEH is, and his name is too close to 90s tiny teen bopper JTT. **** him.

I think I'll wait and see the guy play first.

Westbrook had a 1333 season, he had a 90 catch season and he scored over 70 td's,

Well, then we have a difference of opinion.

I don't think Andy's going to demote Damien after what he did in the last quarter of the season and the playoffs, and most particularly how Damien balled in the SB. Damien earned the right to start the season. Plus, Damien knows the playbook, and at this point, he's the better pass pro guy.

At some point after week 6, CEH might take over (assuming Damien stays healthy, then all bets are off).

Well good thing nobody is consulting your stupid ****ing ass

**** this dude is sexy

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Why say.....not nearly the receiver......when JT scored five times catching the ball, CEH....one td.

Taylor is 5-11 220, CEH 5-8 208, Taylor cooks a sizzlin' 4.38 40, CEH a ho hum 4,60. Taylor did more at the NCAA level than CEH.

If you must spend a first round pick on a RB it had to be Taylor.

You mean talking to a guy who can talk LSU RB;s since Billy Cannon?

Holy **** you’re an idiot.

Maybe because Edwards-Helaire had more catches last year than Taylor had over three years.

I don't don't think so and after Taylor has the better rookie season and career, you'll feel silly.

You'll be dead though so who cares

I like Taylor, but you can’t ignore the mileage and CEH is a better scheme for the passing game and has better hands. The Chiefs made the right pick.

Edelman was a QB in college, Gates a basketball player. All that....he caught more......means nothing.

Lmao

We don't know that, what we do know is Taylor is bigger and far faster and more productive.

How about we take a wait and see approach, I think Taylor will be the better NFLer.

He won't have to demote Damian Williams. He'll get hurt at some point and be demoted by default.

Regardless of when that happens, I think they still are going to rotate the two. I'd expect Williams to get more snaps when they're in 12 personnel and CEH to be their guy in 11 personnel.

Williams' one-cut speed works well in the 2 TE sets from under center. CEH's lightning quick feet and make-you-miss ability is huge in shotgun run plays.

Since they're in 11 personnel about 65 percent of the time, CEH will get more touches.

Thankfully the franchise tag number for RBs is manageable. And if this offseason is any indication, a 3-year deal is the new 5-year deal.

Getting waaaaaaaay ahead of ourselves here, but if Clyde is special enough to warrant that higher pricetag of a 5th year option, it might be worth it to just extend him anyway.

And neither do you. The point is, CEH is a better scheme fit for the Chiefs. He catches a ton better and he doesn’t have the fumbling issues, Taylor does. CEH is a more complete player and that’s what you want out of your 1st rounder.

I don’t think we’ve been this universally excited about a pick since Patrick, and I think it’s because of the excitement that is trickling down from Brett, Andy, EB, Toub and Patrick.

Everyone that matters was *all-****ing-in* on this player. We should be too.

Of course mahomes wanted him. That means more passing. Taylor would have slightly changed the formations and play calls

LMAO @ "Far Faster".

I don't give a damn what he timed. When you watch him play, he's not playing at sub 4.4 speed.

And CEH is quicker and shiftier inside a box, which is a far more necessary trait in the NFL, especially when it comes to short yardage situations and making guys miss in open space.

Taylor won't even be the next RB off the board. And i like Taylor.

You simply cannot pass up on a college RB putting up....

frosh...1977 6.6 13
soph....2194 7.1 16
jr........2003 6.3 21

That is amazing.

60 rushing TD's in three seasons? Over 6000 yards in three seasons?

Wow!

We don't know if the guy can catch, we do know he can run a 4.38 40.

And yet he's still on the board. Maybe you're missing something? I wonder what it could be that you're not considering....

Taylor is very good, no doubt. He was never a fit here. All 4 RB's people have talked about have strengths and weaknesses and Taylor's strengths don't play in our offense. We throw the ball a lot, get people in space, and use outside zone running.

Yes a 4.38 is far faster than a 4.60.

Taylor can wear down a defense, he breaks tackles, and he can out run DB's. Watch what happens this season.



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No there was good intelligence that the Colts wanted to take him at 34.

Have you even taken the time to watch CEH? You’re just rattling off measurables.

Kareem ran like a 4.65. Who GAF.

Yep, this has always been my rationalization.

If a player demonstrates that's he's a solid, if not spectacular player after Year 3, lock him up for three more years at minimum. Don't wait until the end of Year 4 or 5.

I think if Chris Jones had shown he was the same dominant player in his rookie and second seasons, he'd have been locked up a while ago but unfortunately, he did not.

Yeah you suck at this.

Again, PLAY SPEED. Speed in pads. Not in tights.

His game speed isn't special. When he's running down that field he's not a sub 4.4 guy. IDGAF what he timed in shorts.

CEH isn't a 4.6 guy. I already explained that.

You're going to have to do better than a highlight package of him blowing up the likes of Kent State, Central Michigan and S. Florida.

Behind an O-line that is either decimated by injuries or simply bad, I'd want CEH in the backfield over just about any other RB in the draft. Really, it's not difficult at all to watch film and see why the Chiefs chose him over the rest.

Great point. CEH was already playing in the NFL.

What are you watching guy, yes his playing speed is special. As is his 60 td's and over 6000 yards rushing.

Why go with a less productive, smaller, slower RB if you plan on spending a first round pick?