Judging by Nate Taylor's comment we are looking for a veteran rusher so maybe we are planning on taking a late round project at DE.

But I agree. I would get a Edge rusher in the first group of 5-6 which will all go by pick 40.

Yep. If they're really going to invest multiple picks on the line, trading down seems like a good bet. You could get a starting center in the mid 2nd and with those extra picks get some OT depth.

Pick 1:

Samuel Cosmi
Teven Jenkins
Jalen Mayfield


I’ve been really leaning Jenkins here as of late. I think we need to get tougher up front, and he has the versatility to get a day 1 starting spot somewhere.

what's funny is-

I'm the guy arguing all over the board about drafting offensive linemen higher than we normally do-

and I would prefer to go DE in the 1st.

Preferrably, a trade down to the 40 range (maybe someone wants Mac Jones?) and nab a Phillips/Oweh/Perkins.

net an extra 3rd.

Oh me as well, as I don’t think either of those T’s will be available.

If they are, that’s very difficult to pass up.

Have you guys been following the NFL.com mock drafts and a few others?

WR looks like our best bet if those guys are correct as Philips, Oweh, Perkins, Jenkins, Mayfield, and Cosmi are all coming off the board before we pick.

They have us taking guys like Dickerson and Little there which to me seems like terrible value.

yeah, except that I don't think their mocks make any more sense than anyone else's.

I mean there's just NO consensus outside of maybe the first ten to fifteen guys. And I mean that's true most years, but not like this- I mean, people have guys going in the first that others have as third or fourth rounders. It's nuts.

I mean, maybe it goes that way, and if it does, yeah, we should absolutely look at WR as that means one of the best ones will be there.

I just doubt it.

AND

I think Dickerson or Little at #31 would be terrible value too.

I like either in the third.

Actually, I don't like Dickerson. The injury history freaks me out. I'd prefer Meinerz if we're going IOL there. Little I like a lot.

Preferrably an extra 3rd from trading down to 40ish because someone wanted Mac Jones.

:)

I think it’s becoming obvious that the NFL REALLY loves Dickerson, and apparently he’s going to be ready for TC. Dude has an awful injury history, but he’s supposedly a freak of nature and is absolutely attacking his rehab. I think all the love has a lot to do with his intangibles. He’s the kind of guy that comes in and will immediately be a leader on the OL.

It scares the shit out of me, but it’s a possibility we all need to accept at this point.

As for Little, I’m not buying him going in the 1st at this point. Maybe that will change.

Dickerson's injury history is a non-starter for me.

You guys know how I am about guys that can't play because they're hurt all the time.

I'm just starting to get the sense that it's something the Chiefs might actually do.

It’s not a risk I’m personally willing to take at 31. At 63? Fine. But you’re absolutely right. It’s a legitimate possibility that everybody should prepare for.

I will however say this, if we took him at 31 and he stays healthy, we got one hell of a player.

I mean this guy is NASTY. He’s the kind of guy that changes the culture and attitude of the OL like Clark and Mathieu did defensively.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flex on em’ Landon Dickerson...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassProIsNotPassive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassProIsNotPassive</a> <a href="https://t.co/1H07fZ0t8B">pic.twitter.com/1H07fZ0t8B</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178306880139083777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Show up for the double by <a href="https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlabamaFTBL</a> RG &amp; RT Landon Dickerson &amp; Jedrick Wills...wait for the extra sauce at the end. <a href="https://t.co/hNjN0JGaXT">pic.twitter.com/hNjN0JGaXT</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1178771532128100352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Again, not a risk I’m willing to take at 31. Just trying to show why the NFL loves this guy.

I look at Little as a Niang clone.

TONS of talent, absolutely COULD be the best OT in this class. But there was the injury, and then covid opt out, and there's just not much tape there.

But they don't let dummies into Stanford, and he's got all the physical attributes.

It might take a year, but I think his ceiling is very high, and his floor fairly high too.

I doubt he'll go in round one. Maybe in two, but all the various draft engines are ranking him in the third. If that's where he goes, that would be a steal I think.

IF we were able to drop out of #31 to 40-ish, nab an extra 3rd and pick him up we'd be in really good shape at OT moving forward.

That's no small thing.

*okay, so...in the same way that Niang LOOKS like Roaf, in the way he's built and the way he moves...Little looks like Bakhtiari to me. Not saying either reaches those status of players, just saying they look the part, move the same way, etc. I can see that projection. Which is, of course, wishful thinking.

I get it, I love it too. I just see a very similar player when I watch Meinerz tape, and he's not got a laundry list of injury problems.

and of course, I get it, different level of competition. But the nasty streak is the same.

All those injuries though. Man.

I'm not FER it.

But I could understand it.

Picking #31 or #32 every year, you're going to have to get a little lucky; and maybe taking a chance on a player who drops not due to talent but something other than that is how you can stay on top.

But man, so many injuries with that guy.

I kind of feel similar about Jaelen Phillips.

IMO, I believe Walker Little will be guy Veach will target because he's Reid's prototypical OT

He’s started at every single position on the OL in college as well so he’s a good prospect, he’s just a broke dick.

I really do understand the Dickerson love. He’s perfect save for the injury history. That’s a big blemish, though.

Personally, a the best situation IMO is a trade down scenario where they end up in position to secure Little and grab one of Humphrey or Meinerz. Pair that with a FA bandaid for LT and I think you’ve got the OL addressed and set up well for the future.

They get an upgrade at C immediately and have a couple of different ways to attack both LT and RT if Fisher and Schwartz aren’t able to go or get reinjured.

What do you guys think of Spence Brown out of Northern Iowa? Everything I have read and seen on him seem like a good fit here, and could be someone we could get in the 2nd for sure, and possibly the 3rd. Almost 6-9. 315, benches 500 lbs. Runs a sub 5 40. Seems like a guy that would fit our MO.

Yea he’s absolutely a fit and I’m sure there’s some interest there.

Liam Eichenberg

That’s the popular name on Chiefs Twitter. I could see them taking him

Serious question. What/who is considered Chiefs Twitter? Fans? Media?

Give me Dillon Radunz or James Hudson.

Arrowhead pride, bj kissel, reporters like Herbie and Nate and many other chiefs fans.

I think they’re locked in on him because he’s generally there at #31 and he has a high floor (but a lower ceiling). They all think he can come in and start day 1.

Yup he’s got a high floor which is absolute insanity in this draft. LT’s like that are never available that late.

Penei Sewell
Rashawn Slater
Alijah Vera-Tucker
Christian Darrisaw
Jalen Mayfield
Teven Jenkins

All 6 of those guys are definitely going before Eichenberg. That leaves him and Samuel Cosmi at the end of round 1. I’d be more than happy with either.

Either way I think we’re taking a lineman. DE or tackle for cost cutting and talent infusion

I can see Eichenberg being the pick, but a high floor pick like that just doesn’t scream Veach.

Here’s my question though. Say we take Eichenberg at #31.

What the **** happens to Fisher? Do you just cut him? If he comes back in the middle of the season....do you bench the rookie if he’s playing well?

Yea that’s certainly a good question.

My guess? They get a veteran (Peters or Beachum for example) and draft somebody like Hudson/Little/Smith on day 2. Just makes more sense unless they’re willing to completely move on from Fisher.

The odds of Fisher and Schwartz both being extended after 2021 are low IMO. Whether they have Niang ready for RT or not I think they’re still going to have tackle as a high priority to protect themselves.

In this scenario Eichenberg would start at LT until Fisher gets back (mid season IMO). He could move to G which has been a pain point for the majority of the Andy Reid era and give us an even better OL overall.

And yeah I understand the people saying Fisher moved positions his rookie year, but from what I’ve read Lucas Niang never played G in college and they were planning to start him at G as well.

He could also be the swing tackle this year when Fisher comes back. And yeah I get it people would bitch, but this is not a sprint.

We have to work on replacements for high end vulnerable pieces to our team like our injured older tackles and Frank Clark.

That all sounds great, but Andy has never started a rookie at LT. I think that’s something that can’t be said enough.

Yes. With that context...

It's hard to see them taking Eichenberg, IMO.

Vet band-aid (for all of 2021 or until Fisher is ready to play) plus a developmental guy makes a lot more sense in that context, IMO.

Agreed.

Like I said, they’ll probably sign a vet like Peters or Beachum then draft some like Hudson/Little/Smith/Brown on day 2.

I really think they go DE in the 1st.

They need to stop with the Chinese fire drills.

Pick a guy, find his spot, and leave him there.

If Fisher is coming back and the plan is for him to start in October, put your 2nd string OT in there and ride it out.

Any drafted OL should stay wherever he is. It's hard enough to adjust to the NFL and then when you add in the offseason COVID stuff and shuffling positions - I'm not in favor at all.