No, I’m not ignoring anything. I just don’t see how that changes what I’m saying.

5 new starters is 5 new starters. Even if 2 are LDT and Niang, it’s still unlikely that they have 5 new starters.

Osemele, Remmers, Wylie, Allegretti etc. at least one of these guys will be starting probably 2.

Fisher
Allegretti
Reiter/early draft pick/FA signing
LDT
Niang

*Osemele, Remmers and a developing draft pick as depth

I think this will be our OL heading into the playoffs next year

Who the **** is starting for Fisher until he comes back?

I don't think we need to "plan for the playoffs" in terms of the OL. Don't get Mahomes killed in week 4.

I would so ****ing mad if they extended Reiter for anything more than a couple million AAV. I’m not sure I want him back at all.

I’d like to put a lynchpin at center. A top 100 pick or sign someone with serious talent.

Yea let Reiter walk and get a comp pick.

Draft Humphrey, Dickerson, Myers, or Meinerz.

That's the million dollar question.

I believe in the current NFL you need at least 3 really good OL.

Then you can cover up 1 mediocre and 1 below average guy.

I honestly don't think Reiter is all that bad. He's certainly no pro bowler but I think he's a legit starting center in this league. He was about the one guy that didn't get totally embarrassed in the Super Bowl on the line.

Now I wouldn't pay him what the open market probably would. But I would welcome him back on the cheap.

Please cut Jason Kelce Philly.

Have Rankin and Remmers hold this spot down until Fisher gets back.

Again. This needs to be repeating: we are not facing the Bucs pass rush every week. The closest thing is the Chargers and Melvin Ingram is probably leaving.

Some of you guys are acting like we’re playing the best pas rush in the league every week LMAO

If I'm Veach, and these guys clear medical concerns, I'd do this:

re-sign Osemele.
re-sign Remmers as super-sub.
sign Jason Peters as stop-gap/swing tackle/mentor for young'uns like Niang, a new draftee, Wanegho.
sign Justin Britt to a cheap deal.

and week one probably looks like:

Peters/early OT draftee like Eisenberg/Radunz/Little
Osemele
Britt
LDT
Niang

I would expect that Fisher returns at some point, and that Schwartz does not.

In my mind we need a LT and a center.

Allegretti and LDT will be the guards and Niang is your RT.

But they could surprise me and think that Niang can play LT.

You've either got to get a plug and play rookie LT (possible at 31 but probably unlikely) or go get a Jason Peters, Trent Williams type.

I don't know if we can afford to trot Wylie or Remmers out there again.

Go look at the Eagles cap situation. They lose money cutting Kelce. And they’re already like $40 million over the projected cap. I have no clue what the **** they’re going to do.

Please no Remmers or Wylie. They're like Ford and Berry to me. Never want to see them anywhere near this organization ever again.

i’m all in for Robinson or Golladay

If you could play him at LT and he's really good there, that fixes a problem long term really cheaply. I would do that.

Figure out the RT spot.

ROFL

Just no.

Cheap, short-term deal is fine with me. That at least kicks the can down the road a year and you can upgrade later.

If he’s your worst offensive starter, then you’re fine.

Our 25 year old Franchise QB has missed games and had injury concerns the last 2 years. If we have to go overboard a bit here, well, it is what it is.

You can find a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round. I’m hoping to God that Niang can hold down that LT spot and that was the plan for him.

Niang is the key to how quickly and easily we can fix the OL. Having one OT and both guards at least temporarily filled makes this whole offseason much more manageable.

Robinson is everything that Sammy Watkins is supposed to be for this offense in an ideal world. I would be beyond stoked if we got him.

But yeah, probably too expensive.

He is essentially a 2021 draft pick already made. His contract even reflects it now.

Exactly, which is why the rumors of him getting paid just have me flummoxed.

how the hell were they so shitty AND in cap hell?

LMAO

Dumb teams will scramble and pay money to offensive linemen because they’re so hard to find and develop.

well, let's hope some GM is using PFF rankings as his north star.

Because I'm really ready for an upgrade.

His knee was on a QB sneak. His ankle was on a rollout. His head/neck was a designed option run.

He hurt his toe due to pass rush.

I get that we need to protect him but it's not really true that he's getting the shit beat out of him because of a lack of pass blocking.

I just want to make this point;

Can you imagine the game last Sunday with this:

Fisher
Osemele
Reiter
Wylie
Schwartz

Just take a minute.

Patrick’s injuries didn’t happen from OL protection. His knee injury was from a sneak, his concussion symptom injury was from an option play and his toe injury appeared to be from running as he normally did ina game where he wasn’t under duress.

I think the goal should be to make sure we don’t have Andrew Wylie’s starting anymore.
LDT and Allegretti were fine and will be fine if we have decent C and T’s.

We drafted Niang. Trust your scouts. Draft a C early.

Trust Veach and his scouts

If Fisher comes back, then what do you do with Niang? Move him inside? What if he's playing well at RT?

I don't see them drafting a young LT prospect AND keeping Fisher but that's just me. I see that as an either/or situation.

Wylie still gets beat?

Unfortunately, Wylie will be back. Unless some team does something super dumb and offers him a contract the Chiefs don't want to match.

And that’s fine as long as he’s never starting at T ever again. Not even a snap.

A QB with great protection will get sacked 15-20 times and hit 50+ times in a season. It’s going to happen.

I’m convinced that’s why Andrew Luck retired. His last season, he was only sacked like 14 times and hit 40 times. And he still came away with an injury.

Yeah, that experiment needs to be ****ing over.

Fixed

**** that. I'd rather watch a decrepit old sloth dying of mesothelioma and AIDS protect Mahomes.

Yep.

The Packers have continuously invested in the offensive line and despite that, Rodgers has had 2 season-ending injuries in 8 years.

Injuries happen for a lot of reasons.

I don’t think he’s that bad as a spot starter at G. I really don’t. You’d just prefer the guys around him to be better than they were this year.

Let's hope he's a backup next year.

I don't see any way he's off the team completely.

I wish I could say otherwise by realistically, he's a cheap RFA. He's going to be on the team and probably at least in consideration to start somewhere.

If Fisher comes back and somehow we have two first year tackles playing so well that he can't unseat one of them, I would view that as a HUGE win.

This season has taught me that you cannot have too many good offensive tackles.

If somehow Fisher can't get into the starting lineup, then you move him in the offseason. Plenty of teams would be happy to take him if he's healthy.

I don't want to be in a situation again where we have embarassingly bad OT play in a play-off game or Super Bowl.

This is Fishers last year under contract.

I’m guessing the worst possible OL situation looks like this for week 1:

Journeyman FA Swing Tackle with hopes Fisher returns
Wylie
Allegretti
LDT
Niang

That basically assumes that we don’t make any significant move for a vet, we don’t draft anyone who’s ready to start, Schwartz is done, and Reiter leaves in FA.

as it stands, but I doubt very seriously they don't extend/restructure as he'll be rehabbing at least half of the year.

How many teams have that kind of depth?

You're both assuming they're going to ride out the last year of his contract at a $12M cap hit, which they absolutely could do but I just don't see it.

I think they're going to re-sign him with the idea that they get cap space now and will have him locked up once he's ready to come back.

I don't know, the whole situation sucks because they're basically in limbo for 9 months now.

We could.

Would've come in handy this year, I'd say.

If they extend him, they won't be letting him go in a year. That would be cost prohibitive unless they structure it as a 1-year deal. Do you think Fisher would agree to that? I don't.

That’s wishful thinking. Offensive line play is down and has been down over the last 5 years. Less practices in the offseason and the offenses that colleges run now. The Cowboys invested all of that capital into the offensive line and it didn’t get them shit. Plus they have Cam Erving on their roster.

And even though that's worst case, it's certainly possible it could happen. :shake:

I'm totally assuming they extend/restructure Fisher.

I still don't think we have money for a starting level LT free agent unless it's something like old man Peters, which I'm in favor of. I wouldn't expect HIM to make it through a full season at LT either, which is why I'm for drafting a potential LT pretty early.

I'm hedging my bets in case of more catastrophic injury problems moving forward. Giving Mahomes time is paramount.

Oh I don’t like the thought of that either, but luckily it’s just a worst case. I’m sure the situation will be better than that.

You know, I wonder if Justin Britt could be our starting C next year. It’s clearly crossed Veach’s mind.

The guy was looked at in the draft as a C but Seattle put him at Tackle and he looked horrible. Then they moved him to LG and he looked much better over time.
Then they moved him to C where he was so good that he was a pro bowl alternate.

Sucks that he had a bad knee injury but that was in October of 2019. I think it could be worth a shot if his medicals clear. The kid is only 29.

If they extend Fisher....then they aren’t drafting his replacement. They’ll find a stop gap in FA or already on the roster.

I just don't see it.

I see the Fisher vs. drafted LT situation to be either/or. If they redo Fisher, it will be with the idea that he's coming back long-term and they'll sign a stop-gap to bridge.

The only way they draft a LT is if Fisher is no longer in the long-term plans.

That doesn't preclude them from drafting a RIGHT tackle but then they'd be looking at moving Niang inside.

they can't cut him.

They can't pay him $15m.

They're going to have to do SOMETHING.

They can't go into the season with Remmers or Rankin (who apparently can't beat out Remmers) at LT.

If you think you can get 10 games out of Peters I guess you could do that.

But I'd rather a guy like that was insurance, and you had talented youth in the house.

Exactly.

I've said that like 10 times.

I think this last year was never going to be a year where they plugged in guys to see what they are capable of. We were running it back. That means we aren’t plugging in guys with no experience. I think that’s why we didn’t see Rankin.

If the Chiefs liked what they saw in his workout, they would have signed him.

Dude's a JAG, anyway.

Well, after your insistence that Reid can scheme around any talent deficiencies on the line, you'll excuse me if I ignore your opinion.

I get that.

But in your scenario, the most likely "something" is them signing him to a deal that's cut friendly after 1 year.

I don't see any reason why Eric Fisher would agree to that at all. You'd think he'd just sit on his ass and get paid. They can't cut him, he has all the leverage.

I think the more likely scenario, given that they need some of his cap hit back, is that they resign him to a deal that gives him more long-term security. Which means HE is the long-term plan and a LT in the draft is no longer an option.

Who says Fisher gets his spot back when he returns?

I think you extend him to a realistic deal. If the Chiefs hit on a LT in the draft great, maybe Fish goes to RT or moves inside.

The only logical thing I can see where they extend Fisher and draft a replacement is signing him to a 2 year deal to lower his cap hit this year. You draft a replacement and then you see how Fisher comes back from his injury. If he is good...then you give him a new deal and his replacement plays RT. If not....then you have his replacement.

They're not going to draft a LT and then have a competition. Eric Fisher is the entrenched starter, he's either in the long-term plans or he's not. He's not going to take some discount or team-friendly deal - he has all the leverage.

And there's no way he plays at RT. One, he'd never agree to it because he's not going to lose his job to injury and two, his skillset doesn't really fit anyway.

But if you're Fisher, why would you agree to that? He doesn't have an injury history at all. He'd basically just give up his all of his leverage to do the Chiefs a solid?

I don't see it.

The only issue with that is what about Niang?

He’s going to start at either RT or LT.

I mean Fisher and the Chiefs seem to like each other and want him around. Maybe he doesn’t want to go into FA with only a partial season being the last time that he’s played.

Maybe they view Niang as a guard. Who the **** knows.

They'd probably move him back inside which is where they wanted him to start out anyway.

I mean for all we know....they could like Rankin at RT. They put him there when Schwartz went down two years ago. He played one snap and then was out for the season.

All I know is that we don’t know shit right now.

Yea but that was when Fisher and Schwartz were healthy and there wasn’t an opening at both T spots. Huge difference.

All he would have to do is show teams the Super Bowl tape and say "see what they were able to do without me?"

I don't know man, I think it's going to have to work for both sides. I don't see Fisher giving them a bunch of cap space and not getting something for it in return.

There really isn’t much out there at C in FA. We know that Andy doesn’t traditionally value G’s as highly as C and T’s.

It’s early but I would bring Chris Conley back. The guy is available and had 5 TD’s in 2 of the last 3 years, coincidentally when he didn’t have shit for QB in 2020. Not saying he’s “the guy” but he’s a hell of a lot better than Sammy and Robinson.

Did I mention he’s cheap?

Based on Matt Miller’s mock, I’d do this (assuming we can’t trade back):

1. Joe Tryon DE Washington
2. Creed Humphrey C OU
3. Anthony Schwartz Auburn

For those who don’t know Schwartz, go watch him. He looks like a taller better version of Hardman.

Well the hypothetical I was responding to was assuming Fisher was at LT and a draft pick was at RT.

I was actually thinking about Conley as well. He was much better in that 3rd WR role than Robinson has been the last two years. Not a game breaker, but seemed to make some plays. Needs to take care of the ball though.

I would like to see JuJu come in opposite Tyreek. Willing to go over the middle and get head knocked off and can block as well.