Shit.... the 4th and 9 DPI call is what you should be pissed about...that was game.

The refs have overtly screwed KC out of 2 wins this year...and your team's elimination is a byproduct of said corruption....that and being average.

You cant realistically think Miami was SB bound...so enjoy your higher draft pick...at least your team isnt a parasitic leach to a $4 billion stadium owner like San Diego.

They ain't average. They are 3 plays away from having the top seed.

KC also was hurt by some VERY iffy illegal contact calls against Baltimore.

BTW, we don't have our first round pick. We traded it to Phi. We have SF's.

Against him? You’re right….. calls in his favor? You’re troll….

Been mentioned a few times already

You'd think that Clark would rectify this issue by now

If that's what you need to tell yourself...then get on with your bad self. ROFL

Except that several players have out and out said it's rigged/manipulated...and 99% of the time, questions about "how the NFL keeps it all a secret" are redundant because it's not a secret at all. Some people choose to believe that it is.

It's really that simple at this point.

He had many calls go against him when he was in NE.

I watched most of his career.

This is not trolling, it's facts.

Like the Champ Bailey play in the divisional round in 2005
Or the OPI against the Colts in 2006
Or the uncalled holding on Tyree's catch
Or the illegal contact not called on the final play of the Eagles Super Bowl

Cool list. Now do the ones that benefited him.


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Clark rolls with the elites...which is "code" for exploiting the "useless eaters".

Dont pretend he is something he isnt...that glitch in serf perception is how they get away with it.

They are only as nice as they have to be...until they dont have to be. Their abundance of money affords them social camouflage and excludes them from critical ridicule.

Anyway...again a topic for the political section.

Kind of a blurred line between these rigged games, financial exploitation...and tiptoeing the line of what to say and what not to say...honesty is frowned upon. Full disclosure has been condemned to behind closed doors...and away from the ears of babes.

If I was that shitty at my job, I'd get ****ing fired.

Why do they get a pass? Is there no one else available?

They're all doctors and lawyers and shit. I guaran-****ing-tee they don't suck like that at THOSE jobs.

Why not expand the pool from which they choose? I reffed high school games and games at CMSU - can I apply?

We?

Average offensive talent with a young QB and great defensive coaching.

We saw that here all through the 90s.

.....and yet you still follow the team and watch the games. Spare everyone your hand wringing BS.

Not like we have much choice. Unless you want to watch the bra and panties football league.

The bad news is we have seen good quarterbacks get the calls that take them deep into the playoffs every year. It's a reality I have watched over and over and over for decades.
The good news is that the Chiefs finally/still have that necessary golden ticket to the playoffs. The unfortunate part is only one golden ticket holder gets the big trophy every year.

I just want to see the best football players in the world compete against each other. I only want to see a penalty when it's a clear and egregious foul that affects the play. On the majority of those calls that went against the Chiefs today, they shouldn't have called a thing.

I felt the PI they called against the Bengals early in the game was weak too. Kelce was the intended target. There's a lot of little grabs and little hooks and little pushoffs that are just natural for a receiver or a defender.

I'm just tired of the NFL. Can't even enjoy a big play because I'm too busy looking for that flag to pop up.

First Down and a Billion A great book written by a former owner of a NFL team that every fan of this league should read.

You do realize that you are currently watching grown men wearing tight spandex pants running around tackling one another. Think about it.

LMAO

You're still pretending to be a KC fan?

Some games just feel like “world football federation” games. The Chiefs have had a couple in their favour in the early Mahomes era IIRC, but lots more against them. Fortunately not every game is like that

The offside was an obvious call that even the announcers said had to be called. Tough to see when it was actually called by game footage since flag appears off the screen but I am assuming it was called quickly. Even most Chiefs fans have the common sense to blame Ford. Guy was 1 yard offsides and 1 yard there is just ridiculous. Now to be fair, the Chiefs one valid complaint may be Ford not be "warned" to get back on sides. If refs almost always do that, it sucks for the Chiefs for them to not do so in what turned out to be a big play.

Chris Jones appeared to be a bad call against the Chiefs but Edelman was held on that play anyways.

Chiefs committed more actual penalties but Patriots called for more.

Hill is simply too fast and even strong to be held much. Patriots contained Hill since they had a somewhat fast defensive back and they often doubled him. It wasn't one defensive back containing Hill by holding him, it was the double teams and some pressure on Mahomes that did it more than anything else.

There was an illegal pick play freeing up Sammy Watkins that setup a big Chiefs touchdown in the 2nd half of the game. Picks within 1 yard of line of scrimmage are legal but Chiefs did a pick well beyond 1 yard. Belichick was justifiably very upset after that play since it was a very egregious non call that easily could have won the game for KC.

While penalties/penalty yards often don't tell the story in that playoff game they were somewhat illustrative that the refs clearly were not favoring the Patriots.

Chiefs penalties that day 4-28 yards.
Patriots penalties 6 for 61 yards.

When Patriots held the Chiefs receivers that day and on a few plays they did, they were usually called for it.

Chiefs were often allowed to routinely hold Patriots receivers and they got away with it most of the time that day.

Everything you say is true. The irony is that on the pick play, the refs NOT calling may have WON the game for the PATRIOTS. If they had called it, it may have enabled to Chiefs to run more clock before scoring, leaving New England without a chance to respond,

Edelman was held on that play, but the ball may have been uncatchable since it was behind him

It’s happened before..I believe the Donks
Or Pack did it in the SB or playoffs…don’t quite remember the exact game.

I can say with 1,000,000% guarantee that this is not accurate. The flag came out immediately. I knew it was offsides or some neutral zone infraction and threw up my hands when they intercepted it as I was sure it wasn't going to stand.

This was very eye-opening. Oh my.

Confirmation bias is what I am going to call it. The Chiefs and Mahomes have been the darlings and feel good story of the NFL after winning their second SB in 50 years. Now we have the Bengals and Burrow. The Bengals haven't done anything for a long time and have been really bad which has allowed them to stockpile some very good players. Add in a little bit of unreal play by their star receiver, some timely penalties and a stagnant second half Chiefs offense and you get a game that keeps fans glued to their seats for the entire game.

I was entertained and I was more disappointed that the defense never adjusted by doubling up on Chase. The offense went into a shell for some reason. We will never know if the Chiefs would have gotten those same types of penalties because they weren't trying those types of plays.

I'm frustrated, disappointed and want a target for it.

Shut the hell up, you just happy you are going to the playoffs because the NFL wanted the latest wonder boy of the week to get in.

That's just not true. We only had 3 possessions in the 2nd half. One of those ended with Hill getting knocked down but no illegal contact penalty?? Especially after some of the ticky tack stuff they called on our DBs. Another ended due to an offensive holding call on us. And the last one we took a FG. On the flip side you have 5 or 6 first down penalties given to the Bungholes. Refs, on purpose or not, determined the outcome of this game.

Yup 1000% true, we weren't going to be allowed to win this game.

And now the game at Denver is on Saturday. More proof the league wanted us to lose so week 18 matters to all teams still in it. We may have had a break if the Titans lost before our game. Now we have to play and we need the win for the 2 seed. We got ****ed yesterday plain and simple.

It's all theater.

After some more reflection I think having the chiefs as backs against the wall, scrappy underdog suits the NFL narrative. ‘We’ all want to see Mahomes lift the team on his shoulders and carry the small town team to the SB. KC with a bye and home field advantage throughout doesn’t fit that narrative. I’m not sure the NFL is against the chiefs but it seems they only want us to win a certain way. Just my 2 cents

What the **** else am I going to watch!?

It's literally been my favorite TV show my entire life. The best reality TV show ever.

He gets it...

It's entertainment and a highly profitable one at that. Just think how much more money is going to be made with the ability to make bets on every play.

I'm a bit surprised this isn't a thing now. Hell, you can bet on the coin toss.

Well, you were there and I was dazed, so I stand corrected.

That's what I said.

Instead of resting Mahomes + starters for week 18...

The NFL now has Mahomes on a national game for Sat afternoon, wild card weekend, and possibly 3 weekends after.

They're not ****ing stupid.

Nobody has ever been able to satisfactorily explain, if the NFL is truly rigged, why teams like the Lions and Browns have never been allowed to go to the Super Bowl, while the Patriots made it 9 times in an 18 year span.

Why would they allow that?

Winners screw the cheerleaders, losers blame the refs...

Or so someone told me. I never got to screw a cheerleader... I guess I'm a loser.

There it is, plainly spelled out for everyone.

Woke up and am still mad about this game.

#1 seed? Gone.

Bye week? Gone

Fewer games to SB? Gone

HFA? Gone

Road to SB? Infinitely harder

All because of some bullshit, one sided officiating.

What a ****ing joke.

Rigged? who knows. Influenced by refs when it shouldn't be? Absolutely. It's the old saying in sports, let the players on the field determine who wins. If it's not influenced intentionally, then the league needs to tell the refs to quit calling stuff that doesn't matter, and they need to allow the "eye in the sky" to overrule calls on the field on all penalties called or uncalled. Of course, that will never happen due to time restraints.

Having said all that, I said right before the 3rd and 27 play, "I don't care if they get 20 yards here, double team both widouts and play a mid depth dime package" and they blitzed. Now, maybe they break up the pass and then the refs screw the CHiefs on the next drive. We will never know.

I bet we're laughing about this in a month when the Bengals and Titans are eliminated and we're hosting the AFCCG.

Even if the Chiefs followed your plan on the 3rd and 27 play and stopped them short you know a flag would have been thrown to give the Bengals a first down. They had all the bases covered by the zebras. We'll get our revenge in 3 weeks when the Bengals come to Arrowhead for the rematch!:D

It's like 4 people who think the NFL is rigged and have thought that way for years, calm your tits. Or more likely, run back to the Bengals Board, which won't even allow Chiefs fans to post, and tell them "everyone over here is crying rigged".

It was a great game. Tons of offense, Mahomes looked great, the Chiefs' run game looked great, got some good pressure on Burrow at times.... Burrow looked great, his wide outs are freakin legit, Bengals D almost had Mahomes picked a couple times.

All the pregame talk was about how the Bengals' schedule didn't really prove much and they proved something yesterday... and it came down to what really could have been a fantastic two minutes, win or lose, that was completely botched by the refs..... and that was a damn shame.

Hope they meet again in the playoffs, it would be a lot of fun.

You gotta make penalties reviewable. The one on Sneed was just....I dunno. You can't have game changing shit like that happe.

Moderator badges?

"We don't need no stinkin moderator badges"

LMAO

I don't disagree but I doubt they would've overturned it....remember when PI was reviewable and they flat refused to overturn anything because the refs were bitter about it?

:D

It originally came up while talking about a couple of other (non-mod) badge/icon ideas that you'll see around, and Bug had created that one as an avatar a while back.

We were playing around with it one night and I personally really like this one...

https://i.imgur.com/EYMdCLn.png

Why does this matter? You won't be convinced otherwise anyway.

But good question, maybe more people would then see how 'truly' rigged the game is, or like you say they plain suck, hmm bad product on the field = ?

The level of riggery in this one was without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable behaviour on the part of the refs.

That's probably true in the sense that you can make up a halfway convincing conspiracy in hindsight for pretty much anything in sports.

Browns and Lions fans are so loyal, they don't need a winning team, and they need the Patriots to be great because of larger market share and rivalries and things.

Boom, change_my_mind.jpg.

Had the calls gone the Chiefs' way yesterday, the NFL would clearly have wanted Mahomes in the driver's seat while the Bengals can still win their division, setting up a rematch at Arrowhead. Boom, conspiracy.

So what you’re saying is that the Chiefs organization is complicit (at the very least after the fact) in rigging games. But “Go, Chiefs!”

Okay. It’s your time, your dollar and your emotional well-being. Spend them however you choose.

But if you know all this shit to be true, it seems to me that you should just stop bitching about a feature of the game and the team you care so much about. It’s not good for you and it will make no difference.

I'm much more distraught that Invincibill didn't like one of my comments.

Didn't you give up on the season in week 7?

LMAO

That settles it, I am convinced now. :rolleyes:

Even Joe Burrow post-game was talking about "getting lucky and we got some calls"

A horse collar when at the point the player is down there isn't even a hand on his back.

A hands to the face, when hands never touched the face.

And of course, to keep this analytics shit going we need to bail out back to back fails on 4th down to convert.

It got pretty stupid honestly.

Still, you cannot call zero blitz on 3rd n 27. Even if somehow you pulled it off with not getting scorched or flagged, it's still playing with fire at the highest level. Far more risk than reward.

It's dumb football, and if you engage in dumb football, you can't complain when you lose.

Dude, the refs willed him to a Super Bowl three years ago in arrowhead. Game was over. Flag came out AFTER the interception. I watched it live.

Didn't half this board?

You're living up to your username, dude. The flag comes out the exact second the ball is snapped. It's clear as day.

https://youtu.be/IPJv9YzozoQ

Beer goggles, buddy! Hell, the ref has his hand on his flag ready to throw when the ball is snapped. Video won't embed, but can clink link to view.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJv...sasCityLunatic

No, you were unique. I think we all remember that you'd been a Chiefs fan for like 8 minutes and then proceeded to give up a whine loudly about the failure of the organization and what talentless losers we had as GM and head coach guiding us.

Don't think you're ever escaping that.

Come on. If vegas ever starts laying the odds, and idiots started placing the proper bets, you’d get a Detroit vs cincy Super Bowl. Until those bets get made, no one stands to win money.

Betcha life a lot of “important” people made money when TB won the Super Bowl. Abd a lot are making money con the chiefs this year. It’s as fixed as fixed can be.

In my best Barney Stenson voice; “dudes! Come on, I’m trying to troll the troll….”

Lol. Ok. I go do something productive. You guys suck.

To be fair, there was also the dipshit who kept posting the same bullshit about getting a top 10 pick for weeks on end.

So, that's two, beyond the normal chicken littles who are always crying about the sky falling.

Except we held them for 4 downs. Should have had the ball with the game still tied.

:thumb:

Do they come with snappy, tailor made SS uniforms?

;)

yup

It's funny, I was more riled up yesterday, than I was when we were 3-4.

Then, I was of the mindset, and I think it still applies today:

Still a lot of football left to be played.

Yep, entertainment. The NFL is entertainment and I have been entertained a lot in the last 52 years of dedicated fandom.

For those that say we shouldn't watch if we think the outcome is predetermined, I just watched the finale of Yellowstone and it was predetermined.

Nope.

We can argue about motive all day when it comes to the one-sided officiating. It doesn't really matter to me. It ruins the game all the same. It's way more nefarious if it's in any way rigged of course.

One thing has become plainly obvious. The refs sometimes steer games to keep them close and to set up a dramatic ending. Especially if it's a marquee game. They don't want a 28-0 game in the first half. They want people on the edge of their seat for the entire game. It's all about people seeing those commercials. Sometimes blowouts in big games do happen and there just isn't much the refs can do about it. They're probably instructed to "do what they can when/if they can". I don't know.

The Brady refs in the SB was the angriest I've been over sports in about 20 years.... if a team doesn't play well enough to win, then so be it, but don't yank away their chances or ruin a game with bullshit calls.

So, yesterday was more of a nudge or a reminder heading into the playoffs for me... it was a great game and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the first 58 minutes, just for the refs to completely ruin the final two (plus the DPI on the comeback route, which was a seriously bad call). But, by then, you're waiting on a flag to be thrown... I could only laugh at the dual holding calls.

It was a reminder not to get crazy amped and excited for the playoffs like last season (granted, this year has been crazy enough to not do so anyway).... hope they play in a great game or four in the playoffs and the refs let the players decide the outcome and only call what's there.

It was a laughable call because it was so terrible. Normally, no ref would make that call because it clearly was not even close to a penalty. BTW, the ball was also severely under thrown, which makes the call even more ludicrous.

Those calls in the SB completely neutered the Chiefs defense... And you're right about yesterday's game being a reminder, that any game at any time can be manipulated by bad officiating.

why did King Tonga never win the WWF heavyweight belt?

Between the SB DPIs, yesterday's call, and a few others I've seen this season... it feels like I missed a rule change about uncatchable balls and DPI.

I mean, catchable is a LITTLE subjective, unless Brady is the QB and can get a DPI call after throwing it into the stands... but yeah, there was zero chance the Bengals receiver was catching that comeback route (or poor throw) since he wasn't within a yard of the ball.

It would be nice if the refs knew the rules.