That may be true, but we're still talking about a good decade where he was the best player.

It isn't OK. Don't give in to rings logic. Mahomes is better.

I'm just here for the KCC meltdown.

Somebody has to defend the GOAT from the unmitigated hate and jealousy. It can't just be Nick Wright.

Lots of QBs are/were better than peak Brady, they just weren't as lucky.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;LeBron was the most hyped athlete we&#39;ve had in any sport. He hasn&#39;t just lived up to the hype, he&#39;s exceeded anyone&#39;s realistic expectations. ... I think this record stands the rest of my life.&quot;<br><br>— <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@getnickwright</a> on LeBron passing Kareem to become NBA’s all-time scoring leader: <a href="https://t.co/x8bF8FBii0">pic.twitter.com/x8bF8FBii0</a></p>&mdash; First Things First (@FTFonFS1) <a href="https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1623414687026085889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Agreed.

The fact that MJ is that high on the career scoring list despite playing far fewer games than the other 4 guys is a testament to his dominance.

I don't want to hate LeBron. He was my favorite player of this generation...I'm only seven months older than him... But he's devolved in a crying, grandstanding, crass, stat padder. I mean I'm watching the game excited for him to break the record but disgusted because he was blatantly playing on one end. He wasn't even thinking of challenging shots just looking for boards like it's some kind of shootaraound

More self-owns from KCC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His greatest accomplishment is getting a 73 win team to slut themselves out in the Hamptons for Kevin Durant.<br><br>That&#39;s what real fear looks like. <a href="https://t.co/5zLBCarmAo">https://t.co/5zLBCarmAo</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1623455355538898944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Only Lebron's allowed to try to create super teams!"

Yeah. Of all the self owns that's probably the most embarrassing.

Didn’t mean to downvote this one. But man LeBron played in ****in Cleveland. It’s no wonder he left for Miami

Lebron is 1x scoring champion.

Imagine if Mahomes only had 1 season of leading the league in yards/touchdowns.

Nobody faulted him for simply leaving though.

Lebron gets a pass for trying to build multiple super teams, but his competitors are pussies for fighting fire with fire.

"Faulty logic"

Why do you think "MJ fans" would feel any differently about lebron for passing a record that MJ never owned? If lebron had passed Michael for #1 then I'd understand why you'd think they were being defensive about lebron being #1. But as it stands it changes nothing in the debate between the two since MJ never claimed that title.

Maybe if lebron didn't force his teams to trade all their draft capital and young talent all the time his teams could have developed some players.

Looks like somebody isn't familiar with the 2003-2010 Cavs.

LeBron adding one of the most significant records in basketball history to his body of work appears to have bothered them. I think it's obvious why that would be.

It's as meaningful as Emmitt Smith becoming the all-time rushing leader.

Absolutely hilarious that it means more to you than championships. More "faulty logic".

The teams that only kept their first round draft picks for 1-2 years (one lasted 3) before trading them for veterans?

Or that didn't have a 1st round pick in 05, 07 or 10?

What were you trying to prove?

Hold up, are you suggesting here that LeBron was in any way responsible for how the Cavs built those teams? How Larry Hughes and Mo Williams were the best players he ever played with on them?

Talk about your revisionist history.

Any way responsible? Absolutely

Was he effectively being the gm all those years like he became in the lead up to his move to Miami and then continued for the rest of his career? No.

And I'd contend Carlos boozer, Anderson verijao and zydraunas ilgakus (spelling is wrong on those two I'm sure) were as good or better than the two you mentioned.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Acquiring Russell Westbrook is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Lakers. Dumping him with a protected first for this haul of three players might just save their season.<br><br>Jarred Vanderbilt provides excellent defensive versatility, connective passing, and solid… <a href="https://t.co/ZEzZDRh94g">https://t.co/ZEzZDRh94g</a></p>&mdash; Kevin O&#39;Connor (@KevinOConnorNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1623502436873932800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is the longest tweet I've ever seen.

Are you going to say the same thing if Mahomes ends up short of Brady’s 7 rings?

Didn't read the tweet but Lakers fans and LeBron stans have to be excited. I'd think this trade is better for the team than a kyrie trade would have been.

Football championships and basketball championships aren't equal. Nba players play both ways and there's only 5 starters and maybe 7 rotational players. Whereas an individual football player is relying on 21 other starters and at least 10 rotational players.

D-Lo is back?!?

I liked the dude. I just can't help it.

I mean, I'm still rooting against the Lakers until LeBron is gone, but at least they finally did something that isn't completely reeruned.

I don't really care much as that team won't contend anyway but they should at least make the play-in now without Westbrook and that would be (somewhat) interesting. The three players they acquired are honestly good enough to start on that roster with LeBron and AD.

Lol. You enjoy him.

I'm seeing rumors about teams like the Clippers and Bulls being interested in Westbrook if he's bought out and I have to think those are coming directly from his agent because they make absolutely no sense. Westbrook is literally one of only a handful of players that could be considered the worst player in the league at this point.

I know. It's wrongheaded. I think I mostly like him because of how much I HATED Lonzo ****ing Ball.

And that he ended up a villain in a spat with Nick Young of all people.

There's nothing rational to it and ultimately it doesn't matter because again - I'm rooting against LA for the foreseeable future.

So, why did that Lakers trade FOR him? Is Paton their GM as well?

Because Lebron James is an excellent basketball player and a SHIT basketball executive.

No idea. Apparently whoever made that decision didn't actually watch Westbrook play at all in the previous season. If LeBron was insisting on it, somebody in the front office should have sat him down and showed him the video.

Again, precisely what Paton did.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: The Phoenix Suns are nearing a blockbuster trade to acquire Brooklyn Nets star Kevin Durant, sources tell ESPN. Durant wanted move to Suns, and new owner Mat Ishbia pushing to get deal done tonight.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623563811759304704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Nets are trading Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns for a package including Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, four first-round picks and additional draft compensation, league sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthletic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. <a href="https://t.co/fJoFHv3i7M">https://t.co/fJoFHv3i7M</a></p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623564019037614082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Suns are sending Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four first-round picks, a 2028 pick swap for Durant and TJ Warren, sources tell ESPN. Durant wanted move and new owner Mat Ishbia pushed to get deal done tonight. <a href="https://t.co/fqFUMIDllo">https://t.co/fqFUMIDllo</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623564676066934785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nets gets unprotected picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, source tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623567057324281861?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Omygod lol</p>&mdash; Mikal Bridges (@mikal_bridges) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikal_bridges/status/1623564575462379520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

God damnt…not Bridges man. I didn’t want to see him leave.

Dude, I forgot you're a Suns fan.

I think the fact that they got KD without losing Ayton is huge.

Suns are the best team in the league by far now (KD, Booker, Paul, Ayton) and the best hope to finally end the Warriors dynasty once and for all. Better not blow it.

They better win it all then because that was a ton to give up.

The Suns are going to be the favorites to win the title for the next 2-3 years because of this. The picks don't matter at all to them, nor should they.

Like KCC said, you guys will be the favorite for the next few years. It's all worth it IMO.

If anything, it's light to me for 3+ years of Durant.

Durant's a top 10 player in NBA history and while not at his peak anymore is still an unstoppable scorer showing no real signs of slowing down. I'm pretty surprised they didn't get Ayton off them really.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Raptors bring back the center they drafted, developed and traded for Kawhi Leonard with an intention of signing him to a new contract this summer, sources tell ESPN. Toronto&#39;s been desperate for a center and they&#39;ve landed him in Poeltl now. <a href="https://t.co/AUmGfKqWu9">https://t.co/AUmGfKqWu9</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623561179300786176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Looks like the Raptors aren't going to be engaging in a firesale after all tomorrow. I do like Poeltl at least and have since they traded him for Kawhi four years ago.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">February 2022 ➡️ February 2023 <a href="https://t.co/1PcbN8ks4F">pic.twitter.com/1PcbN8ks4F</a></p>&mdash; Bradeaux (@BradeauxNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradeauxNBA/status/1623570110395850756?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

Booker and KD on the same team. Zoinks!

Ayton is kind of a bum. Honestly Id play Biyombo a little more now that they have that scoring punch. Ayton not a guy that will do the dirty work.

Suns did a Rams trade. Risky but Rams did win a SB. We will see if it works out.

Haaaaaaahahaha!!!!

Way to give up future assets to 'maximize' the last years of Lebron only to get blown off the map by a division rival.

Y'all are so good at this...

The '23 and '25 picks won't be worth dick.

This was a heist by Phoenix.

The funny thing is that it's just going to give LeBron even more incentive to leave as soon as possible. Lakers are a low end playoff team at best in the next few years especially with the way AD is looking these days.

You can't do much better than Ayton as a 4th option on a NBA team. And while not elite, he's also quite a good rebounder and defender. Their team is absolutely stacked. As currently constructed, anything less than a title would be a huge disappointment.

KD couldn't win with Harden and Kyrie. Yes circumstances got in the way but Booker and Paul aren't them guys and Paul is getting older as each game goes by whilst Ayton will be leaving soon too. KD's injury history lately is quite bad aswell. It's gonna be interesting to see how this goes tbh.

The three of them played like 16 games together total, so that's pretty irrelevant.

If KD is healthy come playoff time, the Suns are the favorites.

Because of injury and have you looked at Chris Paul's injury record too? Him and KD can't stay on the court.

Love it! Great time to be a Chiefs and Suns fan! Yes, risky because of the injury history of KD, Paul and Book but the Suns had a shot to win a title with their core group and didn't get it done. It was roll the dice or be the 6th seed for the next few years until Book left to go get a ring somewhere and the Suns fell back into mediocrity at best. Plus, KD is under contract for 3 more seasons. Bummed that Bridges and especially CJ had to go, but again, those guys weren't gonna be the keys to a title. KD could be.

Correct. The 1st rounders will always be crappy. I don't love losing Bridges and CJ but to make an omelette, you have to crack a few eggs. Obviously getting KD for those guys is a trade you make any day.

As I’ve said before in this thread, I’m a lifelong Suns fan. I’m so stoked about this trade and hope it finally puts us over the top. Man I hate losing Bridges, but it was necessary if you want to take this step. Just crossing my fingers that everyone stays healthy and we should contend. The only thing we’re missing now is that true 3-and-D wing. I guess I’ll just have fun watching it play out.

wow. woke up this morning to the Woj bomb. That definitely shakes up the West and makes on paper the Suns one of the favorites. That being said they don't have much depth now and have to stay healthy which isn't a given with CP3's age and KD has been hurt every season here recently.

The Mavs - Suns games about to get spicy though.

We’re Suns fans. We’re used to disappointment. We were born into it…molded by it.

Boy, ain’t that the truth. Being a lifelong Chiefs, Royals, and Suns fan no one can say I’m a jock jumper. LOL

The shitty thing is....is that I'm a Chiefs, Suns and Dodgers fan. Not like the Dodgers haven't had their fair share of disappointment over the years. For the longest time until Mahomes, I just always assumed I would never see a championship.

Booker isn't THAT guy?

And where is Ayton going? Traded? Because he's under contract.

I'll def be a Suns fan for rest of the year. I like Chris Paul and Devin Booker. Should be lethal now with Durant.

God damnt....there went any chance of winning a title.

Aren't the Lakers the favorites? 2 top 10 guys and all those pieces added? Anything less would be a huge disappointment IMO

I'm still a Kansas City Kings fan.

Just realized....but Jae Crowder sat out because he lost his job to Cam Johnson.

Dude just got traded along with Cam Johnson.

Get ****ed Crowder.

:mad:

LMAO Now that’s funny! I never understood why he did that. He’d basically be a role player no matter where he went. That is pretty hilarious though.

Because he's a bitch? He could have helped us out so much this year but chose to be a ****ing child and sit out.

Lolwut?

Suns got a new owner and within 24 hours on the job....he traded for Durant.

Nets collecting picks lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Jae Crowder in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for five second-round picks, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthletic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623728860301852672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>