You do realize that the term "High ankle sprain" doesn't explain the severity correct? It could be mild to severe, it appears this one is mild.

You also know they have said this one isn't as bad as the one in 2019 where he never missed a snap over it and played well correct? Was he only 50% when he threw for 443 yards and 4TDs against the Raiders?

Considering Mahomes did not have a boot, reporters said he was moving fine after the game and the fact he has an extra day?

He’s at 75% at worst. He’s getting the toradol shot and won’t feel anything for the half life of 5 hours

Yea, there is just way too much being reported that he is doing well despite the injury. It appears to be mild. Obviously he won't be 100% but won't be surprised to see him appear closer than not to it out there. Hope the O line can keep him upright, i am sure i will panick if he comes up gimpy later in the game after playing on it.

2 totally different situations. The line movement cause is real. But it’s still a rumor. Lines move all the time in Vegas based on rumor or maybe BS.

The other is just looney bin shit.

Lines move based on which way people are betting

I'm aware of all of this. If it was anything other than mild I don't see any world where Mahomes would even be in discussion to play. And in early 2019 it was his left leg, which will be different from a throwing platform. If you notice, there were just about zero rushing yards early in 2019. That doesn't sound like something way north of 50% overall. We also had good to great play at both tackle positions.

Trying to put a percent on all of this may be futile. I'll settle for him being able to throw from a stable-ish platform at 90%, but not run around much at all, which probably balances it all down to somewhere closer to 50% of creating the magic that Mahomes is capable of.

We need the game plan we had against the Bucs, where we just flicked the ball out in 2 seconds. Quick passes and keep him upright, hope a big one opens up you feel is worth the risk. Run the ball.

Surely Andy won't go all pat holds the ball for 5 seconds.

Yes, but why are they betting a certain way? That is based on information, real or not. Your statement might just as well of read "Lines move because people are living", because if they're not, the lines don't move.

Jesus Christ, you'd think Because Chiefs was still a thing around here.

Mahomes might not be 100% but anybody that thinks they're going to trot him out there at 50% is reeruned.

He's going to play and he's going to play well. Stop being pussies.

Right now, the public is betting on the Bengals because they look unstoppable and Mahomes has an injury. It's Wednesday. Wait and see what the line does closer to game time.

Yup. Zero chance Andy risks him long term by playing Mahomes if he didn’t think Patrick could play and at a high level.

/thread

Seriously, what more needs to be said?

It's so manly to ignore facts and medical science. Stop being pussies, everyone.

It's not 'because Chiefs', it's because Wylie and Brown Jr. Absolutely no faith in those two bumble****s to not give up immediate pressures even on a 3 man rush and I have the feeling Reid won't either. Thus we'll probably be relegated to running a neutered offense like week 2 against the Chargers for precautionary reasons and I don't think it'll be enough to win.

What medical science? Are you a team trainer? Do you know EXACTLY what Mahomes' injury is and how severe?

Exactly. You don't know shit. You're just guessing like everybody else. But you're assuming the news is negative.

Yeah, it always goes back to Wylie and Brown. They're not good enough. We're only 15-3 and hosting the AFC Championship again.

Mahomes may absolutely be at 50%. Shit in terms of mobility probably even less. But hes a QB so even if his mobility was 90% less (like last game) he can still make due and AS A QB would be a much higher number like 85%.

I think having a week to learn to throw with the injury is huge. He will know what he can and cant do. How he can make certain throws with lack of the back leg.

Have no fear.

They're a massive part of the reason why we're 0-3 against the Bengals in 2022

I'm assuming he has a mild high ankle sprain, and that Mahomes and the training staff will do everything they can to make the best of it.

I hope the line goes higher to the Bengals

So let's roll over and forfeit. We've got no chance.

**** the negativity. You guys do you. Spend the week worrying and being miserable.

The Chiefs are going to win. Get over it.

I'd bet money that Mahomes is more mobile at this moment than Peyton Manning was in his prime.

LMAO I'm not worrying or miserable at all. Silver lining if we lose we're far more likely to tell OBJ to **** off.

Last year's AFCCG is primarily on Reid and Mahomes, who apparently suffered synchronized strokes at halftime.

This season's loss is primarily on Butker and Kelce.

When I used to bet on sports, one of the best rules was to bet against the Big 10 teams because their fans would always overbet their teams and move the lines in your favor. In this case, it’s a bunch of oSU fans driving the number in our betting favor.

Mahomes won’t be 100% and our tackles are not good. Because of that Mahomes will not be as elusive on the run. As such I expect the game plan will take that into account and hopefully provide those two tackles help.

Please, regale us with the specific facts and science of this exact injury that Mr. Mahomes has suffered.

LMAO Yeah, I watched Orlando Brown almost singlehandedly wreck any chance we had on the last play Mahomes had the ball in his hand because Hendrickson mauled him so thoroughly on a 3 man rush. I'm pretty comfortable in pointing the finger at him as well.

He has a high ankle sprain.

And as we know, all ankle sprains and people's pain tolerance to said sprain are created equal. :)

Because he needs to play amazing to beat the Bengals.

Playing well gives you a good chance but it may not be enough.

If you're wondering why we all care about the difference between 75% Mahomes and 90% Mahomes, that's why.

The Bengals and Chiefs are extremely evenly matched with a healthy Mahomes.

A really bad mistake, or even an observable disadvantage may tilt the scales one way or the other.

Mahomes isn't escaping this type of pressure with a high ankle sprain.

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The Chiefs are going to win. Deal with it.

This is my main concern. Hopefully, we can get the running game going early. That will help tremendously

You know what the best play on that clip was? Other than Brown handling Hendrickson better?

Dumping it to McKinnon immediately when he decides not to chip.

Mahomes, if the sprain has him at less than 100 percent, is going to have to be more efficient and more willing to take checkdowns. And shoot, that might just be what the doctor ordered.

LMAO "decides" not to chip. He was squaring up and getting ready to. Hendrickson just babyshook OBJ so effectively there he had no chance to.

And I'll double down.

For me, Mahomes being amazing against the Bengals isn't him running around doing hero stuff. They defend that really well.

Him being amazing is trusting the flow of the offense and being efficient and decisive.

I also think having a healthy Brown and Thuney out there together for only the second time against the Bengals will help a lot. On the sack that was posted, Allegretti dives inside to double team the NT for... reasons? Maybe that was the play design?

Thuney probably realizes he doesn't need to do that and covers Brown's right shoulder and helps shut down that inside move.

Because other than chiefs fans on forums, most people aren't getting day by day minute by minute rumors on how Mahomes ankle is recovering. All they know is that it's a high ankle sprain, he was limping badly and the Bengals looked great last game.

I.... think I'll manage to deal with it very well if the Chiefs win. I kind of like the team.

How do you think you'll manage if they lose?

Well, Allegretti is probably keeping an eye on the spy as well. If he has to turn and help Brown Jr not get completely demolished almost immediately that LB is shooting the gap for a sack.

They're not going to lose so it won't matter.

Use whatever language you want to describe McKinnon not chipping. I'm not assigning blame. Just pointing out that he had a window to McKinnon there. The LB was shading inside to cover routes over the middle. If Mahomes' response to the pressure is to flip the ball to McKinnon instead of scrambling, they likely gain at least some positive yardage there, depending on where the outside corner is and how McKinnon does 1x1 against Pratt as Pratt recovers.

Brown has to play better. He was a major liability in that game, to a level he was NOT against the Bengals at Arrowhead last year. Having Thuney next to him should help with that. Having a home crowd that's quiet should help with that.

But yeah, either way, I agree with the comment about his agent being a dummy and saving the Chiefs from a deal he has not played up to this year.

This is my source of hope. If Reid has his hand forced to draft a new game plan, maybe that shift is what actually can give us an edge.

Or further abandoning the RB in the flat...

I don't care what the betting public is doing. The betting public is bad at betting, or books wouldn't stay in business.

What matters is where the "shark" money is going. That can be indicative of something unseen, especially when it is operating opposite of the betting public movement.

That's the "silver lining" with the Mahomes injury... it's going to force the Chiefs to do things... i.e. RUN THE FOOTBALL that actually give them the best chance to beat Cincy (even if Mahomes was healthy).

With how wide the DE is lined up I can't help wonder if Allegretti or McKinnon were supposed to pick up the inside gap on that play.

Mahomes is a tough SOB, but his bread and butter is buying time and scrambling to make plays. That's going to be tough with a bad right ankle. What's most troublesome is that Cincy has quick strike capability while KC is limited in that regard without Hill. KC is going to have to play mistake free ball to keep the chains moving. That's a tough order. It's a little troubling they couldn't keep the chains moving against the Jags to kill the clock on the last two possessions.

Let's all just throw out random numbers.

Mahomes is 420% He's also 69% x 100000000000 ÷3

Worst update thread ever.

Rumors flying now that the 420% number might have been a little low. But we're sticking with it for now

Hendrickson is probably getting a hand on that ball to at least bat, or worse, tip it into the air when he's in front of Mahomes, and Mahomes is probably thinking if I cock it back after Hendrickson is behind me and strips this ball the game is over, so he immediately moves up in the pocket.

Hank is going to give us the straight scoop.

Just a reminder that Mahomes... just from the pocket... would still be the favorite to win the MVP this season.

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Yeah **** that.. We have the best QB and the best coach in the league and these pussies are coming to our house. We're going to kick their ass and remind them why Mahomes is the BEST.

It's amazing how much our fans turtle up when presented with any sort of hurdle, especially given how much success we've had under Mahomes/Reid. I mean, the Bengals are a great team, but ****n' A, we're playing in our 5th cons AFCCG at Arrowhead. Have a little faith!

The Chiefs' two best and most complete games offensively, by far, this season, came against the Bucs and 49ers and featured plans where the Chiefs were clearly accounting for pressure in their game plan and focused on getting the ball out quick, being balanced, and relying on something other than "Well, if it goes bad, Patrick will run around and make magic happen."

Personally, I'm excited to see what the plans look like for that.

Check. It. Down.


They are clearly trying to take away Kelce in the middle of the field. Get McKinnon the ball in space and he’s beating 1v1 most of the time.

Stretch them out. Make them go sideline to sideline.

Calm down… There will be chips and max protections… The ball is coming out quick..

When is he supposed to check it down? When Hendrickson is in position to bat the ball or strip the ball? Mahomes took the best move available and rushed as fast as he could up the pocket to mitigate Hendrickson being behind him.

Hell, you can even see it in the video. If Mahomes goes to throw when McKinnon turns his head Hendrickson's hand is swiping at where Mahomes would be making the arm motion to pass it to him. Strip sack. Game over.

Looks like he's moving around just fine.

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When Hendrickson is engaged.

Mahomes had the time and space to get the ball out without Hendrickson affecting it.

Nice! Again, no boot...

True statement. Plus, it's a common myth that Vegas creates odds/spreads/lines based on how they believe the public will bet. That's not true.

The opening odds are the oddsmakers' best guesses as to how the game will play out based on the information they have at the time (including injuries, weather, historical performance, home/away, etc). Lines move after that based partly on money coming in, but it includes other factors.

The fact that the Chiefs STILL opened as the favorite vs the Bengals - and those odds factored in Mahomes' injury - says a lot about the talent on this team and about how well Mahomes played through the injury vs the Jaguars. He led a touchdown drive in a critical moment on a bum ankle.

Plus it's freaking Patrick Mahomes. Ya know....the guy that once converted a 3rd down on the run left-handed while being wrapped up by Von Miller.

The idea Cincy looks unstoppable is hyperbole at its best. They almost lost to Tyler Huntley at home and beat a Buffalo team in a snowstorm that's been in a spiral for a long while.

From PFF earlier this week:

Patrick Mahomes Dropback Splits
Overall Grade Rank* Passing Grade Rank*
Straight Drops Wks 1-12 90.3 2nd 87.4 2nd
Straight Drops Wks 13-18 72.6 17th 71.0 16th
Rolls/Scrambles Wks 1-12 86.2 1st 77.9 1st
Rolls/Scrambles Wks 13-18 88.3 2nd 85.6 2nd
*Among passers with at least 25 such dropbacks in each timeframe

The magic clearly hasn’t waned, but something is amiss from the pocket. One might ask why Week 13 was so arbitrarily used as the cutoff in the above table. The answer? That's when Kansas City faced its upcoming conference championship opponent, the Cincinnati Bengals.

Since then, Mahomes has been very ordinary when dropping straight back and throwing from the pocket. The Chiefs' approach appears to have become far more conservative, too. There are struggles at wide receiver, as well as a declining amount of man coverage being played against Kansas City since that Bengals game.

If recent trends hold, there will be many nervous onlookers waiting to see if Mahomes’ injury hampers his seemingly unstoppable improvisational skills. If that is the case, then we will see a battle of two quarterbacks dueling from the pocket. The difference between them? Mahomes has struggled of late from there, while Joe Burrow is currently the best pocket passer the league has to offer.

Nice post. Great to see an ambulatory Mahomes. He looks like he might be pissed. Maybe he's just hyperfocused on dismantling the 'Gals. :D

Oh I don't disagree. But the majority of fans don't believe it. They truly think the Bengals are going to trounce the Chiefs.

Buffalo's Defense n the post season vs competent to good qb play has been extremely torchable. Public going to get suckered into this one.

Is this from today?

He is pissed. He's a professional on a freaking mission and some douche bag is asking stupid questions to film tick tock videos.
I'd be pissed too.

According to some on that Reddit thread, it was from last week

poop

Starting to feel pretty optimistic! A fully mobile Mahomes still gives us the best chance to win, of course, but I think the circumstances are actually lining up in our favor. Excited to see the game plan they come up with!

Posted yesterday afternoon. So no, that's not from when he had his injury.

I mean, he's going to be able to walk staight just fine regardless. How he performs when he tweaks it and when hes trying to move sideways are the key.

Every quarterback is better in the pocket.

Well that and blowing a huge lead in the Championship game last season when they rushed 3 and dropped 8 which totally confused Pat and the offensive play callers and the Travis Kelce’s fumble in the game earlier this season. But let’s keep blaming the offensive tackles on the highest scoring team in the league.

Shouldn't he hobble around in practice when the cameras are rolling to fool the opposition? Or is that something the league could punish somehow?