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oldman 05-05-2023 07:31 AM

Would we even be having this argument if Mahomes was left handed?

But one more time for “some people”. Best case scenario, Taylor makes the switch without a problem, Niang steps up to be a outstanding RT. Smith becomes a relativity cheap insurance policy and Morris red-shirts with a few snaps in mop up duty, becoming the RT in 2024. Option B is Smith starts at LT, Taylor stays at RT and Morris red-shirts/backup Smith. After the season, we say goodbye to Smith and hand him a lovely parting gift of a SB ring, Morris is the LT in 2024.

As mentioned before, there are a lot of teams that have 2 good EDGE guys, we may be one of them. If you want more weapons not having to keep a TE or RB out of the pattern because you need a chip blocker seems to be a good place to start. The bottom line is we have to keep PMII upright and endorsement pretty because our fate lies with him. Sorry, Gabbert is no Magic Moore so no miracles seem to be on the horizon.

duncan_idaho 05-05-2023 07:44 AM

So what IS the best-case scenario for the Chiefs' OL?

Best-case for 2023 would be:
Donovan Smith returning to his 2021 form LT, allowing Jawaan Taylor to play RT, and giving the Chiefs the same level of play from LT-RG they received in 21 and 22 (or slightly better, given Smith's talents are a better fit for this style of offense), with Taylor providing a massive upgrade at RT.

This would be the best offensive line in football, Smith would get paid at the end of the year, and it would likely pay off with a comp pick for KC.

Best-case long-term would be:
Wanya Morris blossoms under the wing of Heck, and by the end of the year is entrenched as the starter at RT, while Taylor has smoothly transitioned to LT and is providing above-average play there.

Now you're set at the tackles for 2024, 25, and 26. You still have one more cheap year of Humphrey and Smith, and you're likely in your last year with Joe Thuney at LG. So you draft a LG to develop, probably pay Creed Humphrey, and play out 2024 with the same OL starters, before working in 1-2 new guys at G in 2025.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 07:48 AM

Best case scenario would be:

Taylor successfully transitioning to LT and locking down the LT position for the remainder of his contract.
Niang stays healthy and proves that he's the RT they envisioned in this offense.
Smith is our insurance policy for LT.
Morris gets a redshirt year and becomes our swing tackle moving forward.

kcbubb 05-05-2023 07:56 AM

If what you’ve quoted below is true, I hate the trade up for Wanya Morris. He’s a better fit at RT. KC traded with Cincinnati, giving up picks No. 95 and 217 — a sixth-round compensatory selection — to get No. 92. We could have stayed at 92 and picked several good players. Why trade up to get a RT if we are planning to play Taylor at RT and we have Niang, Remmers and Prince that we can play at RT? That’s a lot of draft capital to spend on Wanya if they penciled in Taylor at RT.

I think the chiefs are just trying to get as much depth as possible and they will give Taylor a shot at the LT spot. If he struggles, they will move him back and put smith in at LT. He’s an insurance policy and a cheap one if Taylor doesn’t adjust or in case of injury. They will let these guys compete and put the best 5 starters on the field.

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16932421)
The guy is starting at LT this year and Taylor is staying at RT. Pretty much that simple. They’ll get Taylor some reps an LT in practice and if he looks good enough they’ll move him over next year and let Morris take over RT. You’re not signing a tackle with this kind of experience at LT to be a backup so you can play a guy who’s never played LT, and then start a guy like Niang at RT.

You start the 2 best tackles on the roster, and that’s Smith and Taylor. LT vs RT is pretty insignificant at this point, and you’re not going to play two guys on the opposites sides of where they’ve played and thrived their whole careers. That makes zero sense whatsoever. Stop looking at the money, it doesn’t matter at this point. You have 2 starting tackles making a total of $29 million (at most) which is doable. You can slowly transition Taylor and plug him in at LT next year if he shows enough. This gives you more time to figure that out.

I absolutely love this move, and I applaud Veach for covering his ass with Taylor, and then clearly seeing another opportunity to give Patrick even more protection and taking advantage of it. I feel so much better with a combo of Smith/Taylor than I would have with Taylor/Niang, and I don’t know how anyone could disagree. The tackle spots have been drastically upgraded. I cannot believe people are complaining about this. It makes us a better team without question. If Smith returns to his 2021 form, you possibly have the best offensive line in the league, and you also have a ton of depth. Just awesome. Veach truly never, ever stops.


Hoover 05-05-2023 07:56 AM

Man too many people on this board are obsessed with Comp picks. Yeah it would be nice, but who really cares. If it happens it happens.

Smith is a rental, there is absolutely no way he is on the team after this year. We have big decisions to make with Creed and Smith, and that's were the Chiefs need to spend their money.

At this point you have to trust Veach and the front office as well as the coaches. I don't think Smith is the second coming, but I feel a whole lot better after adding him to the roster just from a depth perspective.

Perhaps the thing that has been overlooked with Taylor is that he's already 10x the leader than OBJ was. This dude is willing to do whatever is best for the team, you want him at RT fine. You want him at LT - cool. That was never the case for Brown, and frankly I think that is the only reason he's not on this roster. What a refreshing change.

RunKC 05-05-2023 07:57 AM

Niang isn’t doing anything here. Might as well accept that now

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16934233)
If what you’ve quoted below is true, I hate the trade up for Wanya Morris. He’s a better fit at RT. KC traded with Cincinnati, giving up picks No. 95 and 217 — a sixth-round compensatory selection — to get No. 92. We could have stayed at 92 and picked several good players. Why trade up to get a RT if we are planning to play Taylor at RT and we have Niang, Remmers and Prince that we can play at RT? That’s a lot of draft capital to spend on Wanya if they penciled in Taylor at RT.

I think the chiefs are just trying to get as much depth as possible and they will give Taylor a shot at the LT spot. If he struggles, they will move him back and put smith in at LT. He’s an insurance policy and a cheap one if Taylor doesn’t adjust or in case of injury. They will let these guys compete and put the best 5 starters on the field.

They dumped their 6th rounder (actually the Bears 6th; the first in the round) for a pick next season.

Veach clearly felt like they'd run out of guys they really wanted to get their hands on.

Karl Brooks, Kei'Trel Clark, JL Skinner, Kayshon Boutte, Trey Palmer, AT Perry, Zack Kuntz - a lot of guys were still on the board at that point and at that moment in time Veach decided that none of them were worth using a 6th round pick on.

And you're getting wound up about moving pick 217? We traded the first pick of the 6th round for a pick that's probably gonna be maybe 10 picks ahead of that next season. And you 'hate' that we gave up the last pick of said round?

Who ****ing cares? You walk about the quality players we could've drafted at 95 but that's immaterial as we could've taken any of them at 92. The only relevant consideration is the pick they gave up to get it done and Veach demonstrated, loud and clear, that the pick was simply irrelevant to him.

duncan_idaho 05-05-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16934234)
Man too many people on this board are obsessed with Comp picks. Yeah it would be nice, but who really cares. If it happens it happens.

Smith is a rental, there is absolutely no way he is on the team after this year. We have big decisions to make with Creed and Smith, and that's were the Chiefs need to spend their money.

At this point you have to trust Veach and the front office as well as the coaches. I don't think Smith is the second coming, but I feel a whole lot better after adding him to the roster just from a depth perspective.

Perhaps the thing that has been overlooked with Taylor is that he's already 10x the leader than OBJ was. This dude is willing to do whatever is best for the team, you want him at RT fine. You want him at LT - cool. That was never the case for Brown, and frankly I think that is the only reason he's not on this roster. What a refreshing change.

Comp picks are just a bonus. Having extra picks makes it easier to move around in the draft, which is nice flexibility to have.

When I was thinking about best case for 2023, that was a distant, secondary factor.

Chris Meck 05-05-2023 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16934233)
If what you’ve quoted below is true, I hate the trade up for Wanya Morris. He’s a better fit at RT. KC traded with Cincinnati, giving up picks No. 95 and 217 — a sixth-round compensatory selection — to get No. 92. We could have stayed at 92 and picked several good players. Why trade up to get a RT if we are planning to play Taylor at RT and we have Niang, Remmers and Prince that we can play at RT? That’s a lot of draft capital to spend on Wanya if they penciled in Taylor at RT.

I think the chiefs are just trying to get as much depth as possible and they will give Taylor a shot at the LT spot. If he struggles, they will move him back and put smith in at LT. He’s an insurance policy and a cheap one if Taylor doesn’t adjust or in case of injury. They will let these guys compete and put the best 5 starters on the field.

We haven't had Remmers since 2021.

Wanya Morris played most of his college career at LT.

Taylor at LT is cool, but you've got Niang who can't stay healthy so far, and Winnebago, and that's it at RT. Smith is a really nice contingency plan.

Morris has some technique issues, but is superior athletically. As in definite starter material as a physical prospect.

I disagree completely with your entire argument. Respectfully.

JPH83 05-05-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16934253)
They dumped their 6th rounder (actually the Bears 6th; the first in the round) for a pick next season.

Veach clearly felt like they'd run out of guys they really wanted to get their hands on.

Karl Brooks, Kei'Trel Clark, JL Skinner, Kayshon Boutte, Trey Palmer, AT Perry, Zack Kuntz - a lot of guys were still on the board at that point and at that moment in time Veach decided that none of them were worth using a 6th round pick on.

And you're getting wound up about moving pick 217? We traded the first pick of the 6th round for a pick that's probably gonna be maybe 10 picks ahead of that next season. And you 'hate' that we gave up the last pick of said round?

Who ****ing cares? You walk about the quality players we could've drafted at 95 but that's immaterial as we could've taken any of them at 92. The only relevant consideration is the pick they gave up to get it done and Veach demonstrated, loud and clear, that the pick was simply irrelevant to him.

I'm not fussed about losing 217, but you're telling me you wouldn't have liked Brooks or Kuntz there? Veach wouldn't have known who he was giving up when he made that deal, he was betting that noone he liked was there, maybe they were, maybe they weren't.

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934237)
Niang isn’t doing anything here. Might as well accept that now

Agreed, but most of those still holding out hope are doing so due to some revisionist history that's coloring this entire conversation. Such as:

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16932906)
That's kind of handwaving the Niang situation. He was the starter, blew out his patella and didn't get the job back. Knowing how Andy treats the OL, he wasn't ever going to take over the RT spot this year unless Wylie just imploded or got injured.

So that's just not what happened. Niang came out of camp as a starter - barely. Then Wylie took the job from him. Remember, Niang didn't blow out his Patella until the last week of the season. He was only getting playing time in that game because OBJ and Remmers were hurt.

Niang had lost his job well before he blew up his knee. Then he wasn't able to take it back the following season.

Andy will make changes on the line in-season. He's done it more than people acknowledge, though yes - the other guy has to clearly TAKE the job. The backup ain't winning any close questions. But doesn't that say loud and clear that Niang got outclassed by Wylie to lose his job and then not be able to re-gain it?

It just seems like Niang hasn't gained any traction here despite several opportunities. The team doesn't - and shouldn't - trust him.

O.city 05-05-2023 08:32 AM

You can keep Creed and possibly Smith if Morris develops into a starting LT>

O.city 05-05-2023 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16934277)
Agreed, but most of those still holding out hope are doing so due to some revisionist history that's coloring this entire conversation. Such as:



So that's just not what happened. Niang came out of camp as a starter - barely. Then Wylie took the job from him. Remember, Niang didn't blow out his Patella until the last week of the season. He was only getting playing time in that game because OBJ and Remmers were hurt.

Niang had lost his job well before he blew up his knee. Then he wasn't able to take it back the following season.

Andy will make changes on the line in-season. He's done it more than people acknowledge, though yes - the other guy has to clearly TAKE the job. The backup ain't winning any close questions. But doesn't that say loud and clear that Niang got outclassed by Wylie to lose his job and then not be able to re-gain it?

It just seems like Niang hasn't gained any traction here despite several opportunities. The team doesn't - and shouldn't - trust him.

I thought Niang was the starter pretty much all of 21 until he got hurt.

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16934271)
I'm not fussed about losing 217, but you're telling me you wouldn't have liked Brooks or Kuntz there? Veach wouldn't have known who he was giving up when he made that deal, he was betting that noone he liked was there, maybe they were, maybe they weren't.

Brooks wouldn't have been there.

And since the pick at 178 was traded for a nominal upgrade a season later, it is fairly obvious that Veach simply put little/no value on the picks by then.

That's why I noted 'at that point in time' - because at 178 Veach didn't HAVE to project - he knew who was on the board; all those guys I named. And he traded the pick anyway.

He showed his cards on the bet he was making w/r/t the value of 217 when he traded away 178. You're grousing about hypotheticals when no hypotheticals are necessary or appropriate.

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934280)
I thought Niang was the starter pretty much all of 21 until he got hurt.

He started 9 games in 2021, 2 of which were injury replacements late in the year, including the game in week 17 when he blew out his knee.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934278)
You can keep Creed and possibly Smith if Morris develops into a starting LT>

I would rather just have Taylor at LT, let Morris develop at RT and then worry about a LT 3 years down the road.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16934206)
Exactly. Again. Not rocket science here.

Pretty clear that is the most likely plan, even if people don't want to admit it. Or you have him play RT next year and kick Taylor over to LT after he has a year in the system playing his natural position and a full year of them seeing if he has the skillset to play LT. Signing Smith gives you a year to figure that all out without having to force anything short term.

It's going to be Smith at LT and Taylor at RT this year, though. Nothing else makes any sense barring a meteoric rise from one of the young guys. Those are your two best tackles on the roster, and it's not remotely close right now. Reid has never had a problem paying RTs top dollar going back to his Philly days. He's going to protect Mahomes as priority number one.

Direckshun 05-05-2023 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934223)
Best case scenario would be:

Taylor successfully transitioning to LT and locking down the LT position for the remainder of his contract.
Niang stays healthy and proves that he's the RT they envisioned in this offense.
Smith is our insurance policy for LT.
Morris gets a redshirt year and becomes our swing tackle moving forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16934218)
So what IS the best-case scenario for the Chiefs' OL?

Best-case for 2023 would be:
Donovan Smith returning to his 2021 form LT, allowing Jawaan Taylor to play RT, and giving the Chiefs the same level of play from LT-RG they received in 21 and 22 (or slightly better, given Smith's talents are a better fit for this style of offense), with Taylor providing a massive upgrade at RT.

This would be the best offensive line in football, Smith would get paid at the end of the year, and it would likely pay off with a comp pick for KC.

Best-case long-term would be:
Wanya Morris blossoms under the wing of Heck, and by the end of the year is entrenched as the starter at RT, while Taylor has smoothly transitioned to LT and is providing above-average play there.

Now you're set at the tackles for 2024, 25, and 26. You still have one more cheap year of Humphrey and Smith, and you're likely in your last year with Joe Thuney at LG. So you draft a LG to develop, probably pay Creed Humphrey, and play out 2024 with the same OL starters, before working in 1-2 new guys at G in 2025.

Pest is right on.

While duncan's idea isn't bad, there's just no chance we have landed a quality left tackle in May for roughly $4m.

tredadda 05-05-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16934212)
Would we even be having this argument if Mahomes was left handed?

But one more time for “some people”. Best case scenario, Taylor makes the switch without a problem, Niang steps up to be a outstanding RT. Smith becomes a relativity cheap insurance policy and Morris red-shirts with a few snaps in mop up duty, becoming the RT in 2024. Option B is Smith starts at LT, Taylor stays at RT and Morris red-shirts/backup Smith. After the season, we say goodbye to Smith and hand him a lovely parting gift of a SB ring, Morris is the LT in 2024.

As mentioned before, there are a lot of teams that have 2 good EDGE guys, we may be one of them. If you want more weapons not having to keep a TE or RB out of the pattern because you need a chip blocker seems to be a good place to start. The bottom line is we have to keep PMII upright and endorsement pretty because our fate lies with him. Sorry, Gabbert is no Magic Moore so no miracles seem to be on the horizon.

Good point. On another note I always wonder why there are so few lefty QBs. Quite a few lefty baseball pitchers, but not QBs.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16933793)
Its way too early to worry about his exact spot IMO

All that really matter now is that Heck has a veteran, Super Bowl winning player to play mix & match with... as others have said before, it'll sort itself out in camp

Hell its not our money being spent, if Veach thinks its a good idea I'm down with it

I'm not sure anybody is "worried" about anything, other than maybe he who shall not be named.

I know I'm not.

Not worried at all, actually. Taylor is going to win the LT spot.

O.city 05-05-2023 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16934285)
He started 9 games in 2021, 2 of which were injury replacements late in the year, including the game in week 17 when he blew out his knee.

That's right, he started the year, played til he got hurt (shocker) then got back in and got hurt again.

I'd say at this point anything you get from him is extra, would not count on much.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16933932)
I for one am very, very glad they keep addressing the OT position! The more the merrier! There is plenty of time to let the coaches see what is what and who needs to play where - I think we have an awesome coaching staff that I have faith in. It will all work out for the best. Stay positive! :thumb:

Yep

I like this move a lot. Still doesn't mean I think he's going to start at LT but I like the move regardless.

O.city 05-05-2023 09:18 AM

Financially, if Morris took off and developed into your LT, that's the ideal situation.

kcbubb 05-05-2023 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16934302)
Pest is right on.

While duncan's idea isn't bad, there's just no chance we have landed a quality left tackle in May for roughly $4m.

This. Wanya is a better fit at RT. Let’s assume Taylor wins the starting LT spot, who is gonna back up Taylor at LT? We got the best available backup. If Niang or Wanya fails at RT, we can slide Taylor over to RT and insert smith at LT. This move gave us options and increased competition. Who was gonna push Taylor as competition for LT? We need competition. Signing smith gave us options and increased competition because Taylor will be taking reps on both sides. Niang and Morris will have to compete against Taylor also. Lots of accountability to work hard. This is a humble approach. Throw lots of talent in the group and see who wins the job.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:25 AM

I'm posting this again for all of the people that may have missed it from Nate Taylor's latest article.

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By signing his newest contract Thursday, Smith will go from protecting the blind side of Tom Brady, the NFL’s most legendary quarterback, to the possibility of earning the job of protecting the blind side of Patrick Mahomes, the league’s reigning MVP and Super Bowl MVP.
There’s two key words in that sentence. Possibility and earning. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s been guaranteed shit.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 16934198)
Smith does need to be a one-year rental I think, for cap reasons. But I think he's going to be a very good one-year rental. Assuming he reverts to 2021 form, we can't afford to sign him long term. Next year, Taylor will have to move over and Morris takes over at RT. If Morris is a bust, then we will draft someone or find someone cheap like Wylie was to play RT.

For this year though, the payoff is pretty big. Again, assuming we get the 2021 version, we may have the best line in the NFL.

Veach explicitly said, more than once, that they're looking for a LONG-term answer at LT. That's not Donovan Smith.

He's going to come in here, compete, and provide insurance. If he actually wins a starting job, it's gravy. But that's not their "plan" at all.

L.A. Chieffan 05-05-2023 09:31 AM

Good ol off season OL threads...

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 16934354)
Good ol off season OL threads...

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kcbubb 05-05-2023 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16934256)
We haven't had Remmers since 2021.

Wanya Morris played most of his college career at LT.

Taylor at LT is cool, but you've got Niang who can't stay healthy so far, and Winnebago, and that's it at RT. Smith is a really nice contingency plan.

Morris has some technique issues, but is superior athletically. As in definite starter material as a physical prospect.

I disagree completely with your entire argument. Respectfully.

My mistake on Remmers. What I’m saying here is that the chiefs didn’t plan on addressing LT after the draft with PM at QB. They planned on Taylor winning the LT job with Niang competing against a draft pick for the RT spot. You don’t plan on addressing one of the most important positions of LT after the draft. Now after the draft, you have an opportunity to sign smith cheap and if Niang or Wanya can’t win the job, you have options to slide Taylor over. Or if smith comes back looking like an all pro, just put Taylor at RT. The point is this signing gives the chiefs options and it will be about competition.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:36 AM

And for all of the people who will claim that Veach talked about Taylor as LT just as a smokescreen so he could trade up for a LT.

Why wouldn't he just sign Donovan Smith before the draft? It does the same thing and eliminates anyone thinking that you're going to draft an OT in the first round. If you go into the draft with Donovan Smith as your LT and Jawaan Taylor as your RT, then no one expects you to trade up for one.

You'll never convince me that Taylor isn't their Plan A at LT and Donovan Smith is their Plan B if Taylor doesn't transition well.

Coochie liquor 05-05-2023 09:40 AM

Wasn’t sure where to post this. But added another OL prospect from our over seas program.

Chiefs Add Offensive Line Help Through International Player Pathway Program

Kansas City lands an intriguing offensive line talent through one of the NFL's overseas initiatives.

Jordan FooteMay 4, 2023 9:44 AM EDT
An offseason ago, the Kansas City Chiefs added defensive lineman Kehinde Oginni Hassan via the NFL's International Player Pathway (IPP) program. While Oginni Hassan didn't last too long in Kansas City, the reach of the IPP began to spread more than it had in the past. The 2023 IPP class also sees the Chiefs land some more help in the trenches, this time on the other side of the ball.

On Thursday morning, the NFL announced this year's international class via a Twitter thread. In that thread, the African country Nigeria has representative Chukwuebuka Jason Godrick coming to Kansas City:


Godrick, whose nickname is "Chu" according to American Football International, is one of six players from Nigeria who were selected to participate in the NFL's IPP combine. AFI notes that Godrick was a primary basketball athlete who is attempting to transition over to football, and its article also has an excerpt in which a pair of brothers detail how they believe Godrick's natural athleticism in basketball will help him become "a top tier athlete" overall.

Here's a bit more directly from the NFL on what the IPP is all about:

Established in 2017, the NFL International Player Pathway program aims to provide elite athletes from around the world with the opportunity to earn a spot on an NFL roster and increase the number of international players in the League.

Godrick, who is 6-foot-5 and weighs 295 pounds according to AFI's article, is expected to soon join his new teammates in Kansas City and begin competing throughout the rest of the offseason. He's one of eight IPP players in this year's class to earn that chance in the NFL — one player for every team in the AFC West and NFC North.

If Godrick doesn't make the 53-man roster to begin the season, the Chiefs can still keep him around on the practice squad if they have that desire. The NFL grants clubs with IPP players a special practice squad exemption that would allow for an additional spot on the final practice squad total. That is a far more likely outcome for Godrick than a straight-up roster spot assuming he remains with the Chiefs organization, which would still give both sides more time to develop his profile in an effort to form another productive IPP experience while also not forcing him into in-game action.

Read More: After Option Decision, Clyde Edwards-Helaire Enters Career-Defining Stretch

crispystl 05-05-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16932886)
I think many of us said that the Chiefs put themselves in a bit of a bind by not attacking the OT position in the draft last season in any meaningful way. We knew they were going to be looking at some tough choices on the OL because they'd be largely flying blind with a bunch of rookies or new players at OT this season.

That won't necessarily be the case next season. Both Taylor and Morris will have more experience in the system. That's two more guys with meaningful experience here than we had this year.

I mean we were looking at Niang and Prince - that's it. Both Taylor and Morris could very easily be part of a long-term plan at the position and Smith is simply insurance and/or part of a short term plan that really hadn't been fully resolved.

I just don't get the angst here at all. Especially when we STILL don't know the terms of the deal.

At the very least it gives them options. It seems like people interpret some of these moves as the Chiefs brass pivoting and changing their direction because things didn't play out according to their plan, but I see it as them having enough foresight to provide themselves with contingencies.

Look guys...he NFL is a tough business and things aren't always going to go your way no matter how good your front office is, so intelligent GMs (Like BV) leave themselves with plenty of options.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934351)
Veach explicitly said, more than once, that they're looking for a LONG-term answer at LT. That's not Donovan Smith.

He's going to come in here, compete, and provide insurance. If he actually wins a starting job, it's gravy. But that's not their "plan" at all.

They could still view Taylor as the long term plan at LT, but that doesn't mean he can't play RT his first year. They are going to put the two best tackles on the field this year, and there's a very likely chance that's going to be Smith and Taylor. If Smith is healthy he's unquestionably the second best tackle on the roster as of now, and they're certainly not going to flip him and Taylor to the opposite sides they've been playing their whole careers just so they can have Taylor at LT. That would make little sense. You push off that plan to next year if need be after Taylor has a year in the system.

One way or another, we are going to have far better tackle play this year because you will either have Smith and Taylor out there, or Taylor will thrive at LT and Niang/Morris will ball out and end up as one of our 2 best tackles. This gives you many different options without having to force anything. It's a win-win move all around and we finally have depth at the position, which is so reassuring.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934368)
And for all of the people who will claim that Veach talked about Taylor as LT just as a smokescreen so he could trade up for a LT.

Why wouldn't he just sign Donovan Smith before the draft? It does the same thing and eliminates anyone thinking that you're going to draft an OT in the first round. If you go into the draft with Donovan Smith as your LT and Jawaan Taylor as your RT, then no one expects you to trade up for one.

You'll never convince me that Taylor isn't their Plan A at LT and Donovan Smith is their Plan B if Taylor doesn't transition well.

Exactly. Think about it logically instead of emotionally and it becomes pretty clear.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16934376)
They could still view Taylor as the long term plan at LT, but that doesn't mean he can't play RT his first year. They are going to put the two best tackles on the field this year, and there's a very likely chance that's going to be Smith and Taylor. If Smith is healthy he's unquestionably the second best tackle on the roster as of now, and they're certainly not going to flip him and Taylor to the opposite sides they've been playing their whole careers just so they can have Taylor at LT. That would make little sense. You push off that plan to next year if need be after Taylor has a year in the system.

One way or another, we are going to have far better tackle play this year because you will either have Smith and Taylor out there, or Taylor will thrive at LT and Niang/Morris will ball out and end up as one of our 2 best tackles. This gives you many different options without having to force anything. It's a win-win move all around and we finally have depth at the position, which is so reassuring.

Dude, they aren't going to have their long term plan at LT play RT for a year because they could sign Donovan Smith on an incentivized deal.

And don't tell me Eric Fisher because that was a rookie. They signed Taylor, talked about his ability to make the switch and now suddenly before OTAs even get here....they're saying **** it for a year?

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16934376)
They could still view Taylor as the long term plan at LT, but that doesn't mean he can't play RT his first year. They are going to put the two best tackles on the field this year, and there's a very likely chance that's going to be Smith and Taylor. If Smith is healthy he's unquestionably the second best tackle on the roster as of now, and they're certainly not going to flip him and Taylor to the opposite sides they've been playing their whole careers just so they can have Taylor at LT. That would make little sense. You push off that plan to next year if need be after Taylor has a year in the system.

One way or another, we are going to have far better tackle play this year because you will either have Smith and Taylor out there, or Taylor will thrive at LT and Niang/Morris will ball out and end up as one of our 2 best tackles. This gives you many different options without having to force anything. It's a win-win move all around and we finally have depth at the position, which is so reassuring.

If they view Taylor as their LT, he's going to play LT. They're not going to put him at RT for a year and then move him when Smith is gone.

Smith came here to provide depth and insurance, knowing that if he excels, he may get a chance to start.

Like you said, this gives them several options. But that's all it is right now - options.

RunKC 05-05-2023 09:46 AM

I think it would be pretty naive to think Donovan Smith isn’t the leader in the clubhouse at this point for the LT position. Obviously there’s a competition but I think ultimately it’s gonna be Smith/Taylor, and that says nothing about Taylor or his ability to play LT.

I still come back to RT and how much of a disaster it is. If Niang or Wanogho were viable options, they wouldn’t have enough in a vet starting LT, paid big money for a vet RT and also traded up for a 5 star recruit with the physical/athletic profile that fits this offense.

I don’t see Niang/Wanogho being anywhere ahead of the depth chart for those 3. I think they’re battling for that 4th and final spot.

IMO the only path to Taylor starting at LT with Smith on the bench is if Morris shows he is ready to start at RT like Creed and Trey showed in their rookie years.

At the moment that could happen, but I think the more likely avenue here is Smith/Taylor with Morris as the swing tackle preparing for a starting role in 2024.

duncan_idaho 05-05-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16934302)
Pest is right on.

While duncan's idea isn't bad, there's just no chance we have landed a quality left tackle in May for roughly $4m.

There's always a chance, man.

Smith was in roughly the same tier as Orlando Brown for a 2-3 year stretch in the middle of his career (that started at the same time as many OT begin playing their best football), culminating in a 2021 season in which his play was at its peak and probably would have actually been a better fit for KC due to his superior movement skills.

His 2022 was a nightmare, sure. But if that was injury and stuff off the field dragging him down, the 2021 version could pop right back up.

I'm not pinning hopes on it or anything... I don't think it's incredibly likely. But that stands out to me as the way the line is better in 2023 than 2022. LT returns to the level of play the Chiefs had there in 21, RT is drastically improved.

Maybe they can get to that with Taylor at LT, too, if he takes to the different side easily and quickly. It doesn't seem hard to upgrade at RT from Wylie if you throw enough bodies at it.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934384)
I think it would be pretty naive to think Donovan Smith isn’t the leader in the clubhouse at this point for the LT position. Obviously there’s a competition but I think ultimately it’s gonna be Smith/Taylor, and that says nothing about Taylor or his ability to play LT.

I still come back to RT and how much of a disaster it is. If Niang or Wanogho were viable options, they wouldn’t have enough in a vet starting LT, paid big money for a vet RT and also traded up for a 5 star recruit with the physical/athletic profile that fits this offense.

I don’t see Niang/Wanogho being anywhere ahead of the depth chart for those 3. I think they’re battling for that 4th and final spot.

IMO the only path to Taylor starting at LT with Smith on the bench is if Morris shows he is ready to start at RT like Creed and Trey showed in their rookie years.

At the moment that could happen, but I think the more likely avenue here is Smith/Taylor with Morris as the swing tackle preparing for a starting role in 2024.

You've got it wrong. It's pretty naive to pencil in a guy who signed an incentive deal after FA and the draft to be your LT....just because he's played LT before.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934384)
I think it would be pretty naive to think Donovan Smith isn’t the leader in the clubhouse at this point for the LT position. Obviously there’s a competition but I think ultimately it’s gonna be Smith/Taylor, and that says nothing about Taylor or his ability to play LT.

I still come back to RT and how much of a disaster it is. If Niang or Wanogho were viable options, they wouldn’t have enough in a vet starting LT, paid big money for a vet RT and also traded up for a 5 star recruit with the physical/athletic profile that fits this offense.

I don’t see Niang/Wanogho being anywhere ahead of the depth chart for those 3. I think they’re battling for that 4th and final spot.

IMO the only path to Taylor starting at LT with Smith on the bench is if Morris shows he is ready to start at RT like Creed and Trey showed in their rookie years.

At the moment that could happen, but I think the more likely avenue here is Smith/Taylor with Morris as the swing tackle preparing for a starting role in 2024.

If they think Taylor is a LT, they're going to play him at LT.

They signed Smith for roughly $4M. The $9M will never be met. He's a backup with a chance to compete.

If you think the "plan" right now is to pencil in Smith as a starter, you're just plain wrong.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:51 AM

If their plan this entire time was to start Smith at LT and Taylor at RT...then Smith would have been signed before the draft.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934395)
If their plan this entire time was to start Smith at LT and Taylor at RT...then Smith would have been signed before the draft.

There's that logic thing again...

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:53 AM

Does that mean that I don't think Smith could beat out Taylor and Taylor could move to RT? No, I don't.

They could get into OTAs and Taylor just isn't picking it up as fast as they thought he could. At the same time, Niang and Prince look like shit while Morris is a 3rd round rookie. If Smith is borderline competent, then they would start him at LT and move Taylor back to the right side.

That's worst case scenario though and goes against anything Veach has said about finding a long-term LT solution.

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934391)
If they think Taylor is a LT, they're going to play him at LT.

They signed Smith for roughly $4M. The $9M will never be met. He's a backup with a chance to compete.

If you think the "plan" right now is to pencil in Smith as a starter, you're just plain wrong.

As I said a couple days ago, given the cap space available to us, about $5 million of that needed to be NLTBE incentives.

And he started 13 games last year so they can't be games started or snaps incentives (because every incentive up to 13 starts would be LTBE and thus would count immediately on this year's cap). They have to be 'performance based' and for an OL, that can really only be post-season accolates, right?

So he probably has a Pro Bowl escalator and almost definitely has escalators for both the AFCCG and SB (appearances and wins). And even THOSE are likely tied to snap share.

This world where he makes $9 million without establishing himself as a quality player just doesn't exist. Either he'll show to be back to his 2021 form and earns a starting job, then the Chiefs are very successful and he gets paid. Or he isn't very good, we didn't need him as anything more than LT insurance/backup, and he makes veteran backup money.

It's just...duh.

O.city 05-05-2023 09:55 AM

I think I probably agree with Run here. If Taylor is the LT, you aren't gonna play Smith at RT so you would let the other 3 battle it out. Could really go south on you.

If you think Smith can play well at LT, leave Taylor at RT, let Morris learn the LT spot then next year you're fine.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934398)
Does that mean that I don't think Smith could beat out Taylor and Taylor could move to RT? No, I don't.

They could get into OTAs and Taylor just isn't picking it up as fast as they thought he could. At the same time, Niang and Prince look like shit while Morris is a 3rd round rookie. If Smith is borderline competent, then they would start him at LT and move Taylor back to the right side.

That's worst case scenario though and goes against anything Veach has said about finding a long-term LT solution.

Exactly.

People can't separate emotion from analysis.

Do I want Taylor to start at LT? No, not necessarily. I want the best guy to win the job. If that's Smith, great. If it's Taylor, great. I really don't care.

Do I think Taylor WILL start at LT? Absolutely, he's athletically superior to every other OT on the team, including Smith.

This is not about what I want and never has been. This is about what I think the Chiefs will do.

RunKC 05-05-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934368)
Why wouldn't he just sign Donovan Smith before the draft?

Comp picks aren’t affected by FA signings at this point

O.city 05-05-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934395)
If their plan this entire time was to start Smith at LT and Taylor at RT...then Smith would have been signed before the draft.

I'd say the plan was to see what happened in the draft.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934401)
I think I probably agree with Run here. If Taylor is the LT, you aren't gonna play Smith at RT so you would let the other 3 battle it out. Could really go south on you.

If you think Smith can play well at LT, leave Taylor at RT, let Morris learn the LT spot then next year you're fine.

If Taylor is better at LT than Smith, that's where he's going to start.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934405)
Comp picks aren’t affected by FA signings at this point

Exactly what comp pick are we missing out on with his HUGE contract?

htismaqe 05-05-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934405)
Comp picks aren’t affected by FA signings at this point

Do you really think they put a plan in motion because it might get them an extra late round pick?

JFC man, THINK about this.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934406)
I'd say the plan was to see what happened in the draft.

Can't do that with Smith as your LT before the draft? You're telling me that somehow that was going to stop them from trading up for Harrison if they wanted him?

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934381)
Dude, they aren't going to have their long term plan at LT play RT for a year because they could sign Donovan Smith on an incentivized deal.

And don't tell me Eric Fisher because that was a rookie. They signed Taylor, talked about his ability to make the switch and now suddenly before OTAs even get here....they're saying **** it for a year?

You're assuming they didn't have some other plan at RT that fell through, and they've had to pivot for the short term. Again, the ideal situation is Taylor thrives at LT and Niang or Morris is good enough to win the RT job, I've already said that, but all I care about is Mahomes being protected. Right now, as of this moment, Taylor and Smith are the best tackles on the roster. You play the 5 best players on the line, Andy has always believed that and stayed true to it. Best laid plans don't always come to fruition.

I have no vested interest in Smith being a starter, right now it just looks like the most likely scenario. If Niang gets his shit together and earns the job, great. I just can't see it happening, he has given no reason to think otherwise. Everyone is just spit balling right now, we don't have a clue what they're going to do.

In the end, Veach and Reid aren't going to give a shit about what they said about Taylor in April. They will put the two best tackles out there to protect the best player on planet Earth. That is the one and only priority, not making sure they don't look bad for saying one thing and doing another.

O.city 05-05-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934407)
If Taylor is better at LT than Smith, that's where he's going to start.

I think so.

But I also think Smith/Taylor is a better T group than Taylor/ other 3 shitbirds.

O.city 05-05-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934410)
Can't do that with Smith as your LT before the draft? You're telling me that somehow that was going to stop them from trading up for Harrison if they wanted him?

No, same situation as McKinnon. What's the risk of waiting to sign him here?

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16934411)
I have no vested interest in Smith being a starter, right now it just looks like the most likely scenario.

I also have no vested interest in whether or not Smith starts. But it's definitely not the most likely scenario at all. The most likely scenario is that he's a backup.

DJ's left nut 05-05-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934410)
Can't do that with Smith as your LT before the draft? You're telling me that somehow that was going to stop them from trading up for Harrison if they wanted him?

Eh - nobody was kicking the door down for Smith so the Chiefs could afford to wait it out.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934413)
No, same situation as McKinnon. What's the risk of waiting to sign him here?

Because they don't view him as a ****ing starter, same situation as McKinnon.

Think man, use your brain.

O.city 05-05-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934416)
Because they don't view him as a ****ing starter, same situation as McKinnon.

Think man, use your brain.

I "think" it was more about the opportunity to add a guy that can improve your squad for a good price.

I don't know why everyone is so emotional about this.

The Franchise 05-05-2023 10:03 AM

The Jets, who could use a LT, and were obviously pissed that they missed out on Broderick Jones just let Donovan Smith go the reigning Super Bowl champs for pennies on the dollar.

old_geezer 05-05-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934368)
And for all of the people who will claim that Veach talked about Taylor as LT just as a smokescreen so he could trade up for a LT.

Why wouldn't he just sign Donovan Smith before the draft? It does the same thing and eliminates anyone thinking that you're going to draft an OT in the first round. If you go into the draft with Donovan Smith as your LT and Jawaan Taylor as your RT, then no one expects you to trade up for one.

You'll never convince me that Taylor isn't their Plan A at LT and Donovan Smith is their Plan B if Taylor doesn't transition well.

If Taylor is our long term answer at LT (Hint: he is) he should start there this year, not next. With Smith we now have an actual LT for back-up insurance. Also, is it possible Smith actually competes for the starting RT spot this year while Morris is learning the ropes? Either way Smith is gone after this year. Either he plays great and prices himself out of our range or he craps the bed again and we don't want him. I don't want Smith to hold Taylor back from learning the LT spot now.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934417)
I "think" it was more about the opportunity to add a guy that can improve your squad for a good price.

I don't know why everyone is so emotional about this.

I'm certainly not emotional about it at all. In fact, I've been trying to tell people to stop being emotional about the tackle position for months. It's falling on deaf ears, nobody wants to hear it. They're dead set against a RT being moved to LT and nothing is going to change their minds.

They're going to be really upset when Taylor trots out there at LT in September.

Wallymo 05-05-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16934395)
If their plan this entire time was to start Smith at LT and Taylor at RT...then Smith would have been signed before the draft.

Not if they thought they could get Anton Harrison in the draft. I think that was the team's strong preference. It didn't work out, so on to plan B.

I think Smith will be given every opportunity to win the LT job, and the team is probably hoping that he does. Sucks that a longterm solution didn't arise this offseason, and we will likely be looking for a LT again soon.

I'm also in the camp that a superior RT in Taylor would be fantastic. If he's forced to move to LT due to other circumstances, I'm sure he would do great there. But I'd rather keep him in the position he has dominated and have a healthy (hopefully) Smith on the other side this season.

Again, if Smith at LT is worse than moving Taylor over and starting an unproven at RT, sobeit. But that's not the ideal situation with this signing.

raybec 4 05-05-2023 10:05 AM

It's pretty funny that last week Donovan Smith wasn't on anyone's list of players the Chiefs should sign because he stunk last year but now that they have signed him people are penciling him in as the automatic starter because he's played LT before.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16934412)
I think so.

But I also think Smith/Taylor is a better T group than Taylor/ other 3 shitbirds.

This is the key too many people are missing. It's not about making sure Taylor plays LT because they said he would. If Smith is back to form, he's far and away the second best tackle on the roster. People are getting way too obsessed with the LT vs RT stuff. Both spots are equally important in this offense, which is why we were paying both Fisher and Schwartz.

You play the best 2 guys, and you play them at the positions that suit them best. Even if Taylor is the best LT, what if he's also the best RT (obviously) and Smith is clearly the second best tackle overall? You don't keep him on the bench so you can play guys who aren't as good as him just because they're young. Just put the best guys on the field, and that's what they'll do.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16934427)
This is the key too many people are missing. It's not about making sure Taylor plays LT because they said he would. If Smith is back to form, he's far and away the second best tackle on the roster. People are getting way too obsessed with the LT vs RT stuff. Both spots are equally important in this offense, which is why we were paying both Fisher and Schwartz.

You play the best 2 guys, and you play them at the positions that suit them best. Even if Taylor is the best LT, what if he's also the best RT (obviously) and Smith is clearly the second best tackle overall? You don't keep him on the bench so you can play guys who aren't as good as him just because they're young. Just put the best guys on the field, and that's what they'll do.

IF Smith is back to form, he would still have to compete for the job. Taylor is going to win the LT job.

kcbubb 05-05-2023 10:10 AM

The competition for LT isn’t as simple as Taylor vs smith. If Niang or morris suck at RT, and smith looks good at LT, then Taylor will play RT. For Taylor to play LT, someone has to emerge as a quality starter at RT. Again competition will bring the best out of these guys and this move gives us lots of options.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16934425)
It's pretty funny that last week Donovan Smith wasn't on anyone's list of players the Chiefs should sign because he stunk last year but now that they have signed him people are penciling him in as the automatic starter because he's played LT before.

Can't speak for anyone else but I wanted him at the beginning of free agency as a reclamation project before they signed Taylor. I know several others had mentioned him too. I don't think anyone expected they would sign another veteran tackle, so he was kind of an afterthought after free agency and the draft.

He hasn't just "played LT before." He started 120+ games and won a Super Bowl as a LT. He's not just some guy. If he can return to his previous form, he's a very good player.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16934430)
The competition for LT isn’t as simple as Taylor vs smith. If Niang or morris suck at RT, and smith looks good at LT, then Taylor will play RT. For Taylor to play LT, someone has to emerge as a quality starter at RT. Again competition will bring the best out of these guys and this move gives us lots of options.

Really is just this simple. The two best guys, regardless of which side, will play. The end.

RunKC 05-05-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934409)
Do you really think they put a plan in motion because it might get them an extra late round pick?

JFC man, THINK about this.

The bigger question is why are they bringing in a vet starting LT from last year if they have all these guys? Why bring him in at all, especially for with a possible scenario (not saying he will, but it’s a possibility) of paying him $9 million?

Andy’s backup tackles the last 2 year were Niang and Wanogho. Before that it was Yasir Durant.

I don’t think they bring in a vet like this if both tackle positions are set. Again believe what you will but I’m inclined to believe that the Chiefs called the Cowboys to get ahead of the Jags for Anton Harrison. As much as I like FAU he wasn’t our first choice. We ended up staying and taking the value.

IMO this is a direct shot at Lucas Niang. If he wasn’t a brokedick and showed his talent, our tackles are Taylor and Niang. But he’s a complete wild card. He’s had 2 major injuries for a lineman. It’s possible Veach doesn’t trust him anymore.

Believe what you’d like, but I’m believing actions over words. The last 2.5 months we have brought in 2 vet starting tackles and traded up for a 5 star recruit that fits this offense perfectly.

They saw that Taylor could play either side, but recognized that they don’t trust Niang or Wanogho to start. I think Morris is the Niang replacement who will end up being the swing tackle.

RunKC 05-05-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934423)
I'm certainly not emotional about it at all. In fact, I've been trying to tell people to stop being emotional about the tackle position for months. It's falling on deaf ears, nobody wants to hear it. They're dead set against a RT being moved to LT and nothing is going to change their minds.

They're going to be really upset when Taylor trots out there at LT in September.

Who is the starting RT in this scenario?

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16934430)
The competition for LT isn’t as simple as Taylor vs smith. If Niang or morris suck at RT, and smith looks good at LT, then Taylor will play RT. For Taylor to play LT, someone has to emerge as a quality starter at RT. Again competition will bring the best out of these guys and this move gives us lots of options.

Yep.

For all we know, they could trot Smith out there at RT. All we know at this point is that there will be competition.

Wisconsin_Chief 05-05-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16934429)
IF Smith is back to form, he would still have to compete for the job. Taylor is going to win the LT job.

But again, what if Niang and Morris look like pure shit on the right side and Smith is clearly the second best tackle on the roster? You're going put garbage out there at RT just so Taylor can play LT?

That makes no sense, and that's not the way they're going to view it. They would like Niang or Morris to make this a non-issue, but I wouldn't bet on it right now, and clearly they aren't either.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934437)
The bigger question is why are they bringing in a vet starting LT from last year if they have all these guys? Why bring him in at all, especially for with a possible scenario (not saying he will, but it’s a possibility) of paying him $9 million?

Insurance and depth. Why did they wait so long to sign McKinnon, who lwas 10th in the entire NFL in receiving TD's last year? Because he's insurance and depth.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16934440)
Who is the starting RT in this scenario?

Don't know and don't care right now. I honestly don't care who starts at LT either. It could end up being Smith and I'd be fine with it.

If Taylor is the best LT on the team, and I'm supremely confident he is, they're not going to move him to RT just to patch a hole. That's not what they do.

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16934448)
But again, what if Niang and Morris look like pure shit on the right side and Smith is clearly the second best tackle on the roster? You're going put garbage out there at RT just so Taylor can play LT?

That makes no sense, and that's not the way they're going to view it. They would like Niang or Morris to make this a non-issue, but I wouldn't bet on it right now, and clearly they aren't either.

No, in that scenario, you'd absolutely trot Smith out there.

What I'm saying is that isn't going to happen. They'll find a solution at RT that doesn't require moving their best LT to the right side.

IowaHawkeyeChief 05-05-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16934166)
DUde. We're paying Taylor how much money?

We're paying Thuney how much money?

You can't just go whole hog like that on one position group.

The only reason why Smith at LT kind of works is because we're saying it doesn't matter how much you pay your RT as long as your LT is cheap. When he becomes not cheap, then you have some big problems.

Nah, you always have to have one of them cheap(like Smith) or a rookie deal. $20 mill for a top RT will be the standard in 2 years, if not next year. If Smith is good again, we won't be able to afford him, but then you can still transition Taylor to LT in 2024, or keep him at RT and try again to get a starter by moving up in the first if we are drafting late again...

Mecca 05-05-2023 10:24 AM

Considering how many times Jacksonville traded down, they didn't think anyone else wanted Harrison...

IowaHawkeyeChief 05-05-2023 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 16934198)
Smith does need to be a one-year rental I think, for cap reasons. But I think he's going to be a very good one-year rental. Assuming he reverts to 2021 form, we can't afford to sign him long term. Next year, Taylor will have to move over and Morris takes over at RT. If Morris is a bust, then we will draft someone or find someone cheap like Wylie was to play RT.

For this year though, the payoff is pretty big. Again, assuming we get the 2021 version, we may have the best line in the NFL.

just read this, you beat me to my point above... rep

htismaqe 05-05-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16934458)
Nah, you always have to have one of them cheap(like Smith) or a rookie deal. $20 mill for a top RT will be the standard in 2 years, if not next year. If Smith is good again, we won't be able to afford him, but then you can still transition Taylor to LT in 2024, or keep him at RT and try again to get a starter by moving up in the first if we are drafting late again...

The first scenario is just dumb. If Taylor is the best LT on the team, and you KNOW Smith is here on a one year deal, you don't start Smith.

The Chiefs aren't going to do that. They said the reason they let OBJ go was because they thought he was going to be a long-term solution and his demands pushed him beyond the point of keeping him.

When you combine what they say they want with age, injury, and athleticism, the best long-term strategy is to put Taylor at LT in 2023 and the placeholder at RIGHT tackle. Not the other way around.


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