I am excited for what he'll bring to the passing game. He made some incredible plays receiving out of the backfield with Mahomes.

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In glory?

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I still cannot believe Mecole Hardman made the super bowl winning catch.

That's an Andy Reid score. Look at the 3 that have scored on it during our Super Bowls

Kadarius Toney
Skyy Moore
Mecole Hardman

He definitely will face more lighter boxes than at anytime with Cleveland. I need to see him behind our OL before I make any wild predictions but I think he will definitely be an upgrade to our short yardage game even though Steele looks good in that role as well.

You were looking at different film than I was then because he didn't look to have much speed at all from what I watched. At least compared to when he was here before.

Dude is 29 and has had some injuries. He doesn't have to be a world beater just decent.

He isn't in a position to hold Pacheco's jock when PAC is healthy though.

People are trying to compare 23 year old Hunt to 23 year old Pacheco. Hunt isnt that guy anymore.

And?

Reacquiring Mecole Hardman was a net positive.

He has better vision than any of our backs, if you could give Pacheco his vision he'd run for 1700 yards.

There's this level of disbelief that the sentence "Mecole Hardman made the Super Bowl winning catch in Overtime" is true. Obviously it was Andy's play that made him wide open, but it's Mecole. MECOLE. Of all people. Just funny stuff.

Not going to have to convince me of that. I was one of the few posters that defended him when we signed him back.

We've had light boxes for 6 years and run hot and cold in terms of running the ball.

But he's a fringe player at best right now. He's taken 1 snap on offense in two games. Moore has taken 15.

that is true. Pat sometimes ends up being our leading rusher

Did not say he'd take his job - what I meant was I think they're both gonna play.

I might be in the minority here though in that I don't think current Pacheco is any more than 80% of what prime Kareem was. And I think people might realize that when they see another talented back getting regular carries for the first time in a few years.

Andy mentioned he had surgery…

I mentioned the same thing a couple pages back. I think the RB room has been pretty underwhelming since he left.

I like the vibes on this move.

KH is going to be highly motivated to play for Pat and a ring.

Of course he's going to play if he's even close to what he was. Even in 2018 when Hunt was at his peak Ware and Williams still took a handful of snaps per game.

That may be true but Hunt isn't anything near prime Kareem Hunt either.

There is zero doubt who the better RB is at this point.

People forget Hunt wasn't even on a freaking team before this week. Pacheco would be starting for more than half the teams in the NFL.

He's fun, the way Pacheco runs is fun, but generally speaking he gets what's blocked up. He absolutely has everything you need to have to be a fan favorite, dude was a super late draft pick that is a solid person and a fun player.

But as far as being say an elite player, nah, he gets the yards that are blocked if you take a look at his yards gained above expected, not great.

Believe me, no one has forgot that. See previous 4-5 pages.

It's fine guys if you're hopeful. Just say that.

"I really hope he works out and is good". You're a fan, that's ok.

Because history would tell us....it's probably not gonna end up being a big needle mover.

I would probably take prime hunt over Pacheco but it’s extremely close.

I'm just here for Kareem to have the chance to right his wrong, help this team achieve that elusive 3 peat. Can't ask for a better ending to his story if it happens.

I'm hopefully optimistic, but that's it. I've been let down too many times with this stuff.

The entire NFL believed there were at least 100 RBs better than Hunt or he would have been on a roster or PS rather than on the street.

Who knows maybe he was waiting for an injury somewhere so he could better chose a landing spot? I don't know.

I agree. Pacheco is a great player but he’s always seemed like a bit of a square peg in a round hole.


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I don't really think it's all that close.

Pacheco is a good solid RB.

His vision isn't very good though.

Hunt lacks the open field speed that Pacheco has. So in terms for long scoring runs you have that with one guh not the other.

In terms of catching and pass blocking. I don’t remember that. I’d proly have to look at pff grades or something to compare

Nah. Prime Hunt was ridiculous. 14 TDs and 1200 yards in 11 games. Too bad he's such a ****ing doofus.

Yeah, the 2018 Kareem was really underlooked at how much be helped that offense roll.

Hunt basically tops Pacheco in every metric that has to do with him, yards above expected etc. Better receiver, better vision, better balance.

An oddly for Pacheco clocking better Hunt ripped off bigger chunk plays in his time here.

No, actually I dont think it is. Hunt was a better all around back by quite a bit. Dude led the league in rushing one year, was a legit receiving threat and was great in pass pro.


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Pacheco has been good, but he’s never risen to the great label. Hunt had a chance to be great…. And he started off that way

Hunt's career longest run is 69 yds (2018 Chiefs), Pacheo longest run was 48.

He was a better kicker too.

Without breaking his leg

Watching Hunt jump cut into a hole or hit a cutback zone blocked run was a thing of beauty.

Found a couple vids of Kareem from last season. It's a small sample size, but in the areas of vision, power, burst, hands and so forth, he looks about the same as he ever was, imo.

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I was gonna say, Pacheco's fast but he hasn't broke as many big runs as Kareem cause he isn't as good at any of the other stuff.

Especially being a RB, I see Pacheco's greatest value to the team perhaps being his intensity and how that may rub off on teammates.

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I will say some of the RB things he does should translate still. I hope he comes in and plays well, always liked the guy and loved the way he played.

Just maybe temper the expectations a bit.

He isn't going to rip off 50 yard TDs, that juice is gone.

Yeah, I don't much care about that.

Turn some 4 yard runs into 14 and I'm golden.

Why didn’t we grab him sooner? Instead we have the undrafted white guy

And this might be just my bias, but wouldn't Kareem be the best pass pro RB we have right now? As I remember, Kareem could block with the best of them.

Agreed. Also I don't think our OL is as good of a run blocking line as the Browns are which I often have wondered is that part of the reason for our RB's not having success?

Glad you asked

Because not only for the Chiefs, but for no team does it make sense to sign a guy with DV history unless you really need him.

Pacheco injury.... yeah, we needed a three down type.

It's not but Cleveland frequently sees more guys in the box than we do. Our run game issues are a mix of several things, 85% shotgun runs, Pacheco's vision isn't great, our OL is much better at pass blocking etc.

We're desperate, in a lot of ways this is the only way it makes sense for either party.

I'd seen that first video. TBH I don't think the burst or lateral agility are what they were, but I also think he looks an upgrade on what we have and still good enough for the NFL. I hear the argument that a small drop off in ability can translate to a massive drop off in viability/performance. But I think in Hunt's case he's fine. A reasonable rotational player.

That's because Pacheco has straight line speed. He's not really elusive and kind of looks for contact. His running style doesn't make him elusive because he's a "high stepper" and hard plants every time he steps. Doesnt really have great vision either.

Hunt in his prime was twice the running back that Pacheco is. We will see how 29 year old version stacks up.

Can't believe that didn't get brought up sooner re: Hunt's late signings

I mean, how many teams even would sign him after 2018? Feels like he was exclusively a Brown or Chief as we reflect

Right. The NFL intended to quietly blacklist him like they did Rice. Dorsey didn't play along and I have a suspicion that's why he can't get anything other than advisory roles nowadays

If you believe guys who cover the Browns, he had multiple offers last year and passed on them as he preferred to wait for a situation that had more playing time than just sign up to be a straight backup.

It's not like the guy has a shit ton of mileage on him. He's basically been a relief back his entire career.

I think he'll have more juice than what people are giving credit for.

That's also the reason I find it hard to believe he'll be anything more than a complimentary back here. He hasn't been the primary back for over half a decade.

Yeah, there seems to be some drop-off in burst/agility, but not much. And those are two decent run defenses in those clips. And he looks serviceable as an interim RB, at least.

I'm going to be real here, Cleveland's OL is way better at run blocking than KC's.

Teams couldn't play that soft two deep shell with prime 2018 Kareem Hunt. He could fold up those soft defensive scheme's and put up 150 yards (with catches out of the backfield)...Hunt looked like some elite NFL running back from the 90's in that era...And then when you dropped a guy in the box to stop Hunt you've got the fastest player in the NFL embarrassing elite NFL d-backs every other play... But then when you double the fastest guy in the NFL you've got the greatest pure catching tight-end of all time chewing up yards underneath and over the middle. And then when you think you've got them stopped near the goal line you've got Andy Reid cooking up wild ass goal line plays with one of the most magical QB's of all time. That offense put the NFL's best to shame. Dee Ford robbed them.

Maybe this time its a redemption story and he does something poistive in the SB to help bring that 3Peat home.

In this scheme, he sure did. Hoping that it can bring part of the magic back..

FIFY

Let's be realistic. If Kareem can avg about 4 YPC and kick it in on the goaliine like he wants it to leave the airbnb, it will be a successful reunion.

Lol at the people saying Pacheco is anywhere close to prime Kareem.

I'm not saying we are getting prime Kareem or even as good as Pacheco. I'm just saying go back and watch his highlights from 2017 ad 2018 and you'll realize what this team has been missing at RB since he was booted.

They play a offense that have a lot of power running plays, which help the line. The RPO's we like to call do not. But, this year we have looked pretty good when we let the line fire out on run plays. So not sure they are better our 3 interior guys are pretty darn good.

Prime Kareem was awesome in the pass game. Lining him up wide was one of our staples. He was an impossible cover for lb's. Pacheco is about an equal runner.

Truth!

Actually, according to science, Kareem Hunt will go for an average of 300 total yards and 4 touchdowns per game this season!

ILL KICK A CHICK FOR THAT!

They have desperately missed Kareem's ability in short yardage, which became an even bigger problem when Andy stopped running the QB sneak after Mahomes' kneecap injury in 2019. I hope Kareem can help the team improve short yardage conversions. He had 9 TD last year despite a low yard per carry number, which suggests he is still very good in short yardage near the goal line.

Do we have any practice footage of him since we signed him, other than the two minutes of him standing there?

I work at Science and can confirm this is true

SCIENCE! LMAO

Absolutely the truth. Kareem made impossible for defense to sit back and wait. Not only did he break tackles but he'd run over guys for an extra 2-3 yards. I was sick when he was cut and I still believe that's why we didn't win the Super Bowl in 2018.

Pacheco was a fine player but Kareem lead the league in rushing in 2017 for a reason.

I'm a professor at the University of Science and can confirm this is true.

His rookie season, no less.