Goddamn. Get your ****ing facts straight before formulating an argument. Jesus ****ing christ!

Um, he stated facts.

I don't seem to remember Donaldson being hit in the seventh inning.

Just lol.

I'll let TK refute the "facts" that your savior is saying

I used to think Hamas had a brain.

No one has said that it was intentional. But put yourself in Donaldson's shoes. You get nailed in the first, and have two go near your ear hole.

But you seem completely incapable of understanding why that might be upsetting. If a guy gets undercut going to the basket purposefully and then takes two unintentional elbows, you can be goddamned sure the second will set him off.

But, as always, if the Royals do it, it's understandable no matter how many gymnastics are involved to justify it. Damn the fact that you have gotten into more shit than any team in baseball this year.

LMAO


Heaven won't accept me and hell thinks I'll stink up the place.

I mean after all, I'm watching two redbitches discuss the 'national embarrassment' that is the Royals. where the **** would we be without that.

Hamas is great. But I couldnt give one **** about his thoughts on this situation.

I think if JD had just walked to first after getting hit by a pitch in the first, the warning would have never been issued and the BJs could have retaliated if they wanted to. JD started running his mouth after getting hit and that's when the umpire issued the warning to both benches.

Osuna got ejected from the game because he started running his mouth after hitting Escobar, not directly because he hit him.

BTW after Madsen hit Tulo, which wasn't intentional, guess who steps out of the on-deck circle jawwing with Madsen... Josh Donaldson. He created the mess which caused everything else.

He does but his awful temper sends him into these manic tirades where he loses sanity temporarily.

I think it's possible to understand why Donaldson was upset. I do.

I also think it's possible to understand, looking at the sanitation, that Madson was neither throwing at Tulowitzki (to put another man on for the red-hot guy who has killed you all series?) nor Donaldson. It's possible to understand that Volquez was not trying to throw at Donaldson's head in the first (it hit him in the upper arm) or trying to hit him with a changeup.

I think it's also possible to say that Donaldson's reaction in the 7th (which included yelling at the umpire for an extended period of time, as well as walking all the way to the screen/towards the dugout) was excessive.

And I think it's definitely possible to say Joey Bautista and Gregg Zaun's reactions to the Madson pitches in the 7th, and his non-ejection, and Volquez's non-ejection in the 3rd, are completely out of line,

The umpire handled things appropriately if you apply any sort of logic or baseball analysis to those situations. Ned Yost didn't say anything inflammatory another manager wouldn't say after that game.

I think Wolf did a fine job, and I don't have many qualms with your points, because they actually bring context into the debate. From a purely logical standpoint, Donaldson shouldn't have barked in the seventh, but no one can be expected to be logical given what had already happened to him. That's what tk has been unwilling to acknowledge, and it's myopic bullshit.

There's nothing myopic about it. I get why he was upset. That doesn't mean he was right. Or that he wasn't trying to make a scene to try and get our pitcher thrown out of the game. Admittedly I try not to fly off the handle every time I feel slighted. People think I do that just to irritate people, but I just don't think it's worth the energy.

I'm assuming Donaldson would understand that no one would hit him with a change up, yes. I do think his 7th inning outburst was trying to get the pitcher tossed. Plenty of guys bark at the umps. He threw a hissy fit and marched out of the box and stopped the game. It's like rewarding a petulant child. There's a difference between being upset and trying to create a scene. He knew what he was doing.

At least we've now admitted that Madson wasn't throwing at him on purpose.

1) The Donaldson question has been answered - again, his fit was towards the ump. Watch John Gibbons argue with Wolf - he keeps saying "I don't !@#$ing care" when Wolf is talking intent. The Jays were never once concerned with intent late in that game and THAT'S why Hamas is saying you're constructing a straw man. The Jays were pissed because most umps still toss him there. They probably toss volquez because again, the rule book is clear that piches near the face after warning are supposed to get little to no latitude. They probably toss Madson when he hits Tulo and they definitely toss him when he gets inside on Donaldson. The rule on warnings isn't purely punitive, it's designed to keep those shenanigans from happening and that's why most umpires will not use judgment calls - they just thumb he guy and keep the game on the rails. Either approach has merit but THAT'S why Donaldson was pissed and to act like you don't get it is just ridiculous.

2) But here's the REAL straw man - who ****ing cares about Josh Donaldson and why are Royals fans trying to deflect blame on him? The benches cleared when Sanchez hit Escobar and again that had NOTHING to do with Josh Donaldson's reactions at any point in that game. That came about because the Royals hit the Jays 3b in retaliation for a HBP the day before. Do you really think it's just coincidence that Sanchez hit the Royals SS the next time he was up when the Jays SS had just gotten hit?

And then as Sanchez is walking off the mound, the Royals storm the field for no goddamn reason at all.

So of course the Royals fans lock in on Donaldson who has nothing to do with the fact that their pack of easily offended juveniles stormed the field...again...after they didn't want to live by the rules THEY established when they hit Donaldson in his first at bat after their 3b got hit the night before. If you're going to go all Code of Hammurabi out there, you don't get to get pissed off when they answer in kind.

There is no way that this question can be answered that any of you will listen to anyway. You'll just start yapping about intent and Donaldson as though ANY of that was relevant to the ultimate fracas. You'll say dumb shit like "of course Donaldson knew the pitch at his face was a changeup because major league hitters recognize changeups"...christ that's idiotic. You'll show videos that clearly establish that your team led the charge but ask us to squint through the rails at that one Blue Jay in the corner (who was playing 3b at the time). You'll do absolutely everything you can to deflect from the fact that yes, your red ass team with shitty self-control got hung up in another bench-clearing incident that THEY elevated by leaving the dugout with no cause.