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ThyKingdomCome15 02-16-2021 08:21 PM

Protect Mahomes and we're good.

UChieffyBugger 02-16-2021 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15553047)
I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

Excatly...how many times do teams have to target our linebackers before folks get it? We need better linebackers to take this defense forward...PERIOD.

kccrow 02-16-2021 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15553039)
Speaking of pass rush, I think Wharton could break out in year 2. He had some good tape this year. Get him in the weight room and try to get some good weight on him.

He was listed as 280 in the east/west shrine game but was likely playing in the 270’s in season. If he could get to the 290’s and be capable of stopping the run he could really be a huge weapon next year.

Here’s some tape of him. Very impressive rusher.

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I'm almost of the thought he should go the other direction and play DE at about 265. That said, I'm just unsure about his arm length being an edge player. He does have good burst, strength, and really good closing speed though. Definitely, a tweener that's hard to pin down. Eventually, you have to look to develop him beyond a pass rush specialist.

Cosmos 02-16-2021 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15552916)
We play a base nickel. We need more safeties, not more LB's.

Yes, yourself and Dane have identified the importance of a walk down safety as more a need than a standard LB. One who can get to the line to support the run defense and the ability and flexibility to impact TE and shallow WR crossers.

A better Sorensen.....apply here.

:clap:

BossChief 02-16-2021 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15552309)
I know it isn’t something you can’t count on to happen right now, but my pipe dream is Von Miller gets cut and we get revenge for Neil Smith.

Watch Veach add Miller and Watt to the front four on ring chasing low dollar deals.

I wouldn’t totally rule that out.

BossChief 02-16-2021 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15553047)
I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

That’s exactly how I see it.

I mean, if we were to add one of the 3 top LBers, it would give Spags a ton more flexibility in his scheme.

Imagine having a developed WGJ and one of Zaven Collins, Micah Parsons (either of those guys at 31) or Dylan Moses (in the second) in those sub packages.

Wilson and Sorensen are both free agents, so we will find out what direction Veach goes.

Watt
Jones
Nnadi
Clark
WGJ
Parsons
Miller
Sneed
Ward
Fenton
Thornhill
Matheiu

Add in quality in house depth and that leaves resources to bolster the shit out of the Offensive line and WR.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15553047)
I think they do that because of personnel not because of choice.

If they can get a versatile lb that can play all 3 downs, it would help

I don't believe that at all.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3 they would.

They rotate LB's all the time and put 3 on the field when the sub package demands it.

They simply don't play the style of defense people want to see and rightfully so, this is a passing league.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmos (Post 15553072)
Yes, yourself and Dane have identified the importance of a walk down safety as more a need than a standard LB. One who can get to the line to support the run defense and the ability and flexibility to impact TE and shallow WR crossers.

A better Sorensen.....apply here.

:clap:

Yep, exactly.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 12:09 AM

Spending a 1st round pick on an ILB is a ****ing waste of draft capital. It's as simple as that.

-King- 02-17-2021 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553152)
I don't believe that at all.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3 they would.

They rotate LB's all the time and put 3 on the field when the sub package demands it.

They simply don't play the style of defense people want to see and rightfully so, this is a passing league.

Having a linebacker that can play all 3 downs doesn't mean they have to run a 4-3 and put 3 linebackers on the field. I don't see the correlation you're making here.

Chief Northman 02-17-2021 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15553154)
Spending a 1st round pick on an ILB is a ****ing waste of draft capital. It's as simple as that.

Devin White says hi.

DaneMcCloud 02-17-2021 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 15553194)
Devin White says hi.

You’re not getting Devin White at #31 overall in this draft.

Dude was #5 overall and his play has probably exceeded his draft slot.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 02-17-2021 02:35 AM

Nate Taylor says we will pursue a veteran DE opposite of Frank Clark. One name that is circling out there is Justin Houston

Dull Tools 02-17-2021 04:38 AM

I would quite like to sign Romeo Okwara. Not sure how much money he would command but he got 10 sacks last year in an awful Lions defence and was only on $2.75m.

Could try and get him for cheap next year and then increase it once Frank Clarks contract is up.

htismaqe 02-17-2021 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15553182)
Having a linebacker that can play all 3 downs doesn't mean they have to run a 4-3 and put 3 linebackers on the field. I don't see the correlation you're making here.

People keep saying they run a base nickel because they lack enough talent at LB to run a 4-3.

It's simply not true.

If they wanted to run a base 4-3, they would. They have enough bodies to do it and in fact, they do it on plenty of occasions. The simple fact is that this team is built to pass and stop the pass. It revolves around DB's and pass rushers. LB's are a secondary consideration, just like run stopping DT's.

Even if they had a "stud" 3-down LB, they're still run a bunch of base nickel. It wouldn't change. But a "stud" 3-down LB simply isn't a big enough need. We have too many other needs.

As for what you said, you're right, there is no correlation. That wasn't the point that I was trying to make.


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