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tredadda 01-01-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16698513)
Yeah I don't think replacing below average to barely above average players who are well overpaid is too much of an issue. You don't think there are a bunch of players doing what they do for much less?

Kinda vague there. Who in particular are you referring to?

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 12:00 PM

Ok, let's look at 2023.

Spotrac currently has us $18m under the estimated cap.

That's about what it would cost to bring back Juju, but if you don't...

If you cut Clark you pick up $20m. So that's $38m.

Jones is $28m. So, if you extend him, maybe get that number down to $20m?

So you're at $46m.

You have no LT at all. Average LT salary is like $16m. A plus pass rusher is going to be $15-20m. Average Rt is like what, $12 or $14? And you're done. Or you can skip one of those and pay a Metcalf.


This is dumb. It doesn't have to be this way, and it should not be.

-King- 01-01-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16697814)
This is it right there. That's the whole deal. The only way we're going to have an elite WR in the near future is if we draft and develop one. Period. And we'll have him until it's time to pay him, and then we'll let someone else do that.

And that's fine, as long as we protect Mahomes, and beef up our pass rush.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16698582)
what are you talking about?

:spock:

bigjosh 01-01-2023 12:59 PM

Big third and long fails popping up again

Megatron96 01-01-2023 03:38 PM

Welp . . .

Danguardace 01-01-2023 03:43 PM

I'm sorry I just couldn't get behind signing juju at that number.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 16701088)
I'm sorry I just couldn't get behind signing juju at that number.

alright, well then you go into next year with Moore, and Toney. And MVS, if you want to pay him $10m. Personally, I'd rather cut MVS, take an extra $8m and have Juju, but that's just me.

Or you can pay none of them and have Metcalf or Hopkins at $20m plus and have draftees at DE, no NFL caliber LT or RT.

I mean, you know, it'd be nice to have studs everywhere, but it comes down to either paying one or two studs and having bums everywhere or spreading the money out and having no serious deficiencies anywhere. I'd rather do that, is all I'm saying.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16698652)
:spock:

Yeah, probably not paying a top of the market WR contract for the next several years. I don't know why you think that's shocking, when they literally just sent Hill packing.

Maybe in 5 or 6 years, when Mahomes deal is a steal of a bargain we can afford to. Especially if we don't hit that piggy bank in the meantime.

Hoover 01-01-2023 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16701281)
alright, well then you go into next year with Moore, and Toney. And MVS, if you want to pay him $10m. Personally, I'd rather cut MVS, take an extra $8m and have Juju, but that's just me.

Or you can pay none of them and have Metcalf or Hopkins at $20m plus and have draftees at DE, no NFL caliber LT or RT.

I mean, you know, it'd be nice to have studs everywhere, but it comes down to either paying one or two studs and having bums everywhere or spreading the money out and having no serious deficiencies anywhere. I'd rather do that, is all I'm saying.

Agree

I think you cut MVS sign JuJu, and if you can keep Hardman on a one year deal to do that too. But you still need to be hunting for a stud WR in the draft regardless of what we do.

Megatron96 01-01-2023 04:52 PM

8 consecutive passes plays without a completion in the 3rd quarter.

Just sayin.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16701289)
Agree

I think you cut MVS sign JuJu, and if you can keep Hardman on a one year deal to do that too. But you still need to be hunting for a stud WR in the draft regardless of what we do.

Absolutely.

We're not going to be able to buy our spot at the top, we're going to have to draft, develop, and adjust.

Unfortunately, game changing EDGE rushers and premier LT's don't come in the range we draft in. So we'll have to pay them. We can make up for that by drafting and developing at WR and CB especially, as those are the other premier pay positions, and you can get good players in other spots than the top 15, as has been shown many times. Sneed, for example. Many top WR's around the league.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701294)
8 consecutive passes plays without a completion in the 3rd quarter.

Just sayin.

and that never happened with Hill? I refer you to the AFCCG.

Acting like a star #1 is some kind of cure-all is fool's gold.

Chris Meck 01-01-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16701294)
8 consecutive passes plays without a completion in the 3rd quarter.

Just sayin.

We also abandoned the run yet again for long stretches.

JPH83 01-01-2023 05:02 PM

It's a tough one. I don't think either MVS or Juju are guys I'd say we desperately need to bring back, especially not at rhe numbers being talked about but we're getting pretty thin. If we can get a middling DE and upgrade RT in FA then MAYBE you could see us drafting another WR in the first. Otherwise you've gotta think it's from R2 onwards and again a bit of a 50-50 as to their impact as rookies.

If MVS walked and we got JJSS for £18m or less I could stomach it but that is a lot for what he is imo. Still think we could get a guy like Meyers for less and see as much production.

JPH83 01-01-2023 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16701309)
and that never happened with Hill? I refer you to the AFCCG.

Acting like a star #1 is some kind of cure-all is fool's gold.

Same for OTs though. Yes Mahomes will do magic with more time but he has to have someone to hit. If we get better in one we'll improve, and realistically it probably will just be one given the situation at DE.


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