Define "better". The goal is to win a Super Bowl.

I thought the same about Foles after his rookie year :facepalm: I've learned to give theses guys 2-3 years before passing judgement.

I'm all about giving them time to develop but there are some things that time can't fix, like Glennon's utter lack of athleticism.

ROFL that goofy turd will fail.

Holgorsen's offense (and nearly every AirRaid offense) has progressions.

Probably should give him another season.

Uh, have you seen Rivers throw the football?

What has Rivers won again?

Geno supporters are proud of his 12 passing touchdowns and 21 interceptions while throwing for about 190 yards per game.

QBOTF right there.

Not true progressions. It's one read. They didn't have a true playbook. Glennon Philip rivers were running full pay books and full NFL terminology. They also didn't lead the nation in screen passes.

Geno had a normal rookie year. So what? He did nothing to say that he's horrible and can't get better and he did nothing to make you say WOW. He had some ups but he had some downs that were just as bad as his ups. I will never understand the love that he gets from these guys. He went to a 6 win team and they went to a 8 win team ok good start. But nothing to make you say wow about.

Lets put some of this BS i here to rest shall we Geno wins against the pats and saints.
1st Geno got a lot of help from his teamates that these people seem to think don't belong in the NFL to beat the pats an INT return for a td (strange that makes any Chiefs win inspite of the QB) And lets look at the game winning OT drive to see just how much Geno did.

1st and 10 at NYJ 20 C.Ivory up the middle to NYJ 24 for 4 yards (B.Spikes).
2nd and 6 at NYJ 24 (Shotgun) G.Smith pass short right to D.Nelson to NYJ 36 for 12 yards (L.Ryan).
1st and 10 at NYJ 36 C.Ivory right tackle to NYJ 42 for 6 yards (J.Vellano).
2nd and 4 at NYJ 42 (Shotgun) T.Bohanon right guard to NYJ 45 for 3 yards (R.Ninkovich).
3rd and 1 at NYJ 45 (Shotgun) C.Ivory left tackle to NYJ 48 for 3 yards (Cha.Jones).
1st and 10 at NYJ 48 C.Ivory right end to NE 44 for 8 yards (D.McCourty).
2nd and 2 at NE 44 (Shotgun) C.Ivory right guard to NE 41 for 3 yards (J.Collins).
1st and 10 at NE 41 C.Ivory right tackle to NE 40 for 1 yard (R.Ninkovich; J.Collins).
2nd and 9 at NE 40 T.Bohanon up the middle to NE 36 for 4 yards (J.Collins).
3rd and 5 at NE 36 (Shotgun) C.Ivory up the middle to NE 38 for -2 yards (Cha.Jones).
4th and 7 at NE 38 N.Folk 56 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-T.Purdum, Holder-R.Quigley. PENALTY on NE-Chr. Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at NE 38 - No Play.
1st and 10 at NE 23 C.Ivory up the middle to NE 21 for 2 yards (S.Gregory).
2nd and 8 at NE 21 C.Ivory right end to NE 23 for -2 yards (B.Spikes).
3rd and 10 at NE 23 G.Smith up the middle to NE 24 for -1 yards (M.Forston).
4th and 11 at NE 24 N.Folk 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-T.Purdum, Holder-R.Quigley.

1 12 yard pass WOW PUT HIM IN THE HALL OF FAME NOW the rest is that no talent Chris Ivory.

Lets move to the Saints game. 1st off Matt Cassel beat the Saints last year just let that soak in. But that was a different team. Lets look at the GREAT Geno smith day against the Saints

8/19 115 yards passing 6 rushes for 18 yards 1 td how is he not in the hall of fame?

Geno was a normal rookie that's all this love people have for him is just insane

Geno is a "junk" QB. I saw it on the Interwebs.

Geno swings the smallest, most limpest penii in the Afc East

What does this have to do with Glennon?

Actually, Brady and Manning aren't athletic, either.

I don't care about Glennon, but being unathletic doesn't mean you cannot play the position at a high level.

No, it isn't.

Several AirRaid teams have true playbooks, especially those from the Leach tree.

Sorter. I respect the hell out of you. But, I have tried really hard to just get you to let this go. So, here. I don't need an apology, or anything like that, lets just leave it be.

(On the difficulty of picking up the NFL offense)
"In the beginning, it was kind of different, just because at West Virginia, I did all signals, and now they're just heard. It was kind of hard, but I'm definitely getting it. It's slowing down for me a little bit, so I'm definitely getting it."

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/7/...ms-rookie-2013

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...75411348695292

Here is another article dedicated soley to Geno Smith, and the seldom use of a playbook.

But please. Try to upstage me some more. I appreciate it. Instead of using facts to back this up, you keep trying to make me look like im making something up.

Something, I don't normally do.

So, truce? Moving on?

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/201...-west-virginia


They have a playbook. Holgorsen's AirRaid runs concepts like Levels, 3/4 verts, Mesh, Y-Corner, and snag, that aren't "1 read plays".

FFS, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Houston, and Holgorsen's PBs are available online IIRC.

So essentially, when I say that Rivers, and Glennon ran full pro style playbooks, and Geno didn't. That makes me right?

And, when you say they have a playbook, even if it is as thin as a Walmart shopping flyer with 12 concepts that makes you right, so we are both right in a way.

All really I was trying to say was that Geno Smiths learning curve at the NFL level is a hell of a lot higher than someone like Glennon, or Rivers.

Can we just move along lol. I feel like we both proved our points.

I'd give Geno about a 50% chance of starting next year. I think Rex and their GM are about done with shakey QB play. If they can get someone like Vick they will be all over it. Their jobs are depending on it.

Worried about shaky qb play so lets sign Vick LMAO

Vick is done, but if you have an unquestioned starter you say that. You don't make nebulous statements about how the guy who started this year is just a QB on your roster, or how you're going to look to improve the position this offseason. That says he's going to have to win the job in the preseason, not even that it's his job to lose.

I would bet the farm they sign or trade for a vet this offseason. Vick might be done but they will go after Cousins or someone to compete with Geno.

You are right on about their GM's comments. He didn't have to make any comments on the situation and he did. That says a lot.

Again I have no problem with those comments. Until Geno proves to be the franchise QB you keep looking. The Chiefs should keep looking as well.

Update on Alex's record when the opposing team scores 24 or more please?

Go **** yourself.

Couldn't wait for that huh?

**** you

**** You

GO root for the jets you peace of shit

I know that everyone will make excuses for Smith but, a wide open Cyrus Gray and a horrible sack strip put this loss square on the shoulders of Smith. Face it, he just isn't good enough.

BigCatDaddy is here to troll and shows his special ed football IQ with post like that. If your team scores 40+ points, and your starting QB has 380 yards, 4 Tds. You have to win that game.

Chiefs defense has sucked for quite some time.

Lots of ass hurt. I'm shocked as I'm pretty much used to shit by now.

LOL. Perfectly timed post I would say. Albeit a pretty tacky one.

YOU A ****ING DUMBASS

44 ****ing points with no Charles being down to his 3rd string rb. Yes there were mistakes made but he did enough to win that game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just ****ing clueless

Yep. He's ok but not good enough.

What a stupid, stupid thing to say. At least BCD was just trollin.

Andrew Luck threw 3 picks.

Alex Smith made two mistakes all game. And you want to say that this loss was all on him?

How about losing Jamal Charles after 6 plays? Donnie Avery? Flowers? Houston?

Perspective. Perspective Perspective.

Yep, I'm a dumbass. The Chiefs scored 44 points, 24 of which came off of turnovers.

When the game was on the line Smith missed a wide open Cyrus Gray for a TD. But hey, Smith is the guy to take us to the promised land, right?

Luck threw three picks but made the plays to overcome them. You think Luck misses Cyrus Gray?

That was the best game Smith has ever played and it was still only good enough to blow a 28 point second half lead.

Jesus Christ.

If Bowe doesn't let Gordy run him out of bounds, the Chiefs win. Maybe, if bowe didn't drop that 3rd and 5 slant, maybe the Colts don't have enough time to win. Maybe, if Kendrick Lewis doesn't get smoked DEEP when he has DEEP COVERAGE, the Chiefs don't lose.

Im not saying you are a dumbass, but to try to find one person to pin a loss on, is RIDICULOUS.

First, Jamal, Houston, and Flowers, three pro bowlers all left hurt. Knile Davis who played great, LEFT HURT. But, yes, Alex Smith missing Cyrus Gray deep is a bad play. How many times do you think he has actually practiced that play with CYRUS GRAY?

Alex has some fault. If he doesn't fumble that, maybe the Chiefs don't lose. But, I mean, how about Andy Reid wasting his very last time out, FRESH OUT OF THE 2 MIN WARNING.

I mean there is a crap ton of fault to go around.

I would have to imagine that Alex Smith, along with Knile Davis would be at the BOTTOM of the list.

Alex Smith maybe missed 3 passes all day long.

So he missed ONE pass.

How about the two that he DIDNT miss, like both throws to bowe. One he dropped, the other he got ran out of bounds, on a perfectly thrown ball by Alex Smith.

Shrugs.

How much did losing Knile, and Charles hurt the Chiefs late when they could of used them to run the clock out?

Im not saying alex did nothing wrong, the fumble, and the Cyrus Gray pass, were huge.

So glad that people can be so KNITPICKY that they can point out ONE pass as to pin a loss on someone, who helped his team scored 44 points, and threw 4 tds.

CP LOGIC.

Again, you just don't get it. When the game is on the line, Manning, Brady, Brees, et al, don't miss that throw. Alex Smith, does.

Where are the Smith ball lickers with the blown throw to Bowe in the end zone in the first half? No one says anything because Smith got bailed out by a penalty on the other side. The guy is average, man. That's all he ever will be. Lipstick on a pig.

THATS IT! That's why we lost according to the AS haters. We lost because we did not score 46 points. It's not the fault of the defense that gave up 45 points because they caused Luck to throw three INT's. Smith had a phenomenal game yet because he was not absolutely perfect he is the reason for the loss.

You're a musclebound *ag, and that's not really good enough either.

Be honest, when you're in there lifting, you're watching dudes on the squat rack, aren't ya?... come on... yeah, glad you agree, I knew it all along.

**** you, Big Cat Pussy.

SMITH MISSED A WIDE OPEN GAI!... remind me to add ceebz to the ignore list.

This post is mind-numbingly stupid.

Yeah, that's it guys, I'm stupid, and so is everyone else who has ever labeled Smith a game manager.

I'm sure next season won't end in the same excruciating disappointment, right guys?

This statement perfectly displays what a moron you are. Does A Smith play defense? Was he the one blowing coverages? The offense scored 13 points in the second half after already having a 3 touchdown lead going into the half. Only here would you find someone blaming the QB who had 378 yards 4 tds passing and another 57 yards rushing.

If they don't fix the D, sure.

Blaming Alex is ****ing reeruned.

It's Alex's fault the he lost because he missed Gray.

Did he miss Gray. YES he did. But the way the Defense was playing would it have really mattered? People get a ****ing clue about the game of football. Luck wasn't perfect either. Infact he made MORE mistakes then Alex did.

Alex lost his biggest weapon 6 plays into the game. Before any points were scored and the Chiefs scored 44 ****ing points. 44 points. that wins you 95% of the games. Alex smith at the end was playing with his 3rd string rb lost one of his starting WRs on a team that didn't have a great WR core to begin with. What more can you really ask form him. 44 points is a hell of a lot with your top weapon in the game the whole game. You can't say we scored because of Charles today. That cop out from Smith haters is gone.

Really if I were to tell you the Chiefs scored 44 points after losing Charles 6 plays into the game how many of you before the game would have thought it was a loss? This is on the defense it's that simple. If they do there job the Chiefs win.

You are wasting your time trying to reason with the AS haters. They hate him so much that nothing he could do will satisfy them. At least Clay came to his senses today.

Wow, ignorant much?

Gray slowed down on that play. He's a 3rd string RB, not a WR.

I want to to feed these people a knuckle sandwich more than you know.

Your brain is not okay, and below reerunation.

You're going to confuse him with your facts.

The one missed pass was the difference in the game. It would have put them back up 17 andcstolen back the momentum just as his fumble is what started th swing to begin with. That being said wade Phillips should be hired tomorrow.

The missed pass wasn't the only difference in the game. Bowe letting the DB catch him at the 3 yd line...Davis not being able to punch it in from the one...Bowe dropping easy catch on a crucial 3rd and 5.

Or maybe if the defense you know SHOWS UP that would be a difference in the game? Good lord every post you make shows more and more how stupid you are

How does one go about letting someone catch them?

Was he show boating on your tv? He wasn't on mine.

They caused 4 turnovers. They deserve some blame but I nice clock milking drive with a txt in 2nd half would have helped.

And not letting T.Y Hiltion look like Jerry Rice would have helped more. You have very little understanding of the game of football. There is more to football then the QB spot. Andrew Luck made FAR more mistakes the Alex did in that game. Hid defense outplayed the Chiefs defense. That's where the game was won.

Is this tread slowing the board down yet? Time to end this thread

It's not on, never was on, never will be on... Alex Smith is a better QB than Geno Smith ever will be. Geno will be a backup on the bucs before being released to work at Wal-Mart.

Why?

It's a 5 year thread and Alex is only leading by 3 after the first year.

The only other thread this popular is the gun thread, I love guns. <3

Why? Neither has won a playoff game since the thread began. May the best QB win won first.

You might have to put some actual thought into your comments, heh.

"May the best QB win won the first"

Okie doke... big roast beef labia, keep on a bullshittin.

And keep on butt hurtin LMAO

You should play with me, I'm much more fun.

Here kitty kitty kitty...

"butt hurtin"... its so strange to actually hear that coming from a rookie nutsucker.

When whatshisface leads the Jets to a playoff game, throws for 378, 4 td's and no picks... please let me know, Beef.

On my ancestors, I wouldn't be so scornful of you if you weren't such a slice of roast beef labia... disagreeing about this or that, no problem, a good argument is ALWAYS well received here, but you, yeah you, take the cake out of beefcake labias.

I'm done with you honey, your moneys on the dresser, its nuke option time before I lose it.

Don't stop now, the quay is on the run. Stomp your heel into shitheads face and grind it into the flooring.

PS - I'm definitely out of this, its starting to feel too much like a Frazod week long rant, suffice it to say that you're worthless, without Clay you'd be deep red and your football opinion is worth my last shart.

The sooner everyone understands that, the happier we'll all be, pussy beef.

Goodnight and good luck.

I've made a living putting this shithead in his place, if you are pussing out, that's your prerogative. I find him to be a useless annoyance, and if you are okay with that, I feel the same toward you.

Clay needs you. How much does he pay you to be a bigger prick than him?

Do you really think that they are different people? :shake: