It's ridiculous. The court looks like a postage stamp in that place.

Uhm, Yea, whatever...You could say the same thing about SELF, He has no interest in going to the NBA.

Not the same. Self has a better job than a lot of NBA coaches.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great coach...But a better job, how? Just because he has a winning record, lots of freaking money? By not taking a chance to coach in the NBA, He is pussing out.

Become a college coaching legend.

Get fired from an NBA team within 5 years all because it's a ****ing crapshoot to drawing and developing a team with enough star power to win a championship.

HMMMMM....

Not sure how long you've been watching basketball but FYI KU is a pretty good job. Just a little bit though lol. Not a top job at all. Not a blue blood or one of the greatest programs of all time at all.

All kidding aside, Self said himself that he has it better than a lot of NBA coaches. Unless you're a MU fan or in complete denial or a sports reerun you know Self has a point.

Coaching for a blue blood is the top of college coaching. That's why we've only had eight coaches in our 115 year history. You take off your coat and stay awhile here.

LMAO Only from the lips of a MuRON

I've been watching for quite awhile and I do agree with what your saying. All I'm saying, is by not taking a chance to go to the next level, your contempt to stay where at and bask in the glory of mediocraty(SP).

How is staying at a perennial national title contender considered mediocrity in anyone's eyes? Winning, no matter the level, is winning.

I find this post in contempt.

Bill Self coaching in the nba.

Bill Self on coaching Rasheed Wallace.

Self: Now Rasheed you got good post moves, but you are being dumb by shooting threes. What we need you to do is..
Wallace: AWW coach dis is some bullshit. I make it rain from the arc. You dumb..and I tell you want....that weave on your head is straight up stank...
*Team mates OHHHHHHHhH*

Early coaching jobs

After a successful playing career as Oklahoma High School Basketball Player of the Year in 1981 at Edmond Memorial High School, Self played for Paul Hansen's Oklahoma State Cowboys before joining Larry Brown's coaching staff at the University of Kansas, replacing John Calipari when Calipari accepted a position as Assistant Coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Self remained at Kansas as an Assistant Coach for the 1985–1986 season. Between 1986 and 1993, Self was an assistant coach at Oklahoma State University under Leonard Hamilton, followed by Eddie Sutton.

[edit] Oral Roberts

After Oral Roberts University (ORU) compiled a 5–22 record in the 1992–1993 season, the worst in its history, Bill Self was hired as its head coach. In his first season at ORU, the team managed only six wins/victories. Things improved slightly the following year, when ORU won ten games. In Self's third season, he guided the Golden Eagles to an 18–9 record, and in his fourth season, (1996–1997), ORU registered a 21–7 record as the school made its first postseason tournament appearance since its 1983–1984 appearance in the National Invitation Tournament.[6]

[edit] Tulsa

After rebuilding the Golden Eagles, Self was hired by crosstown rival the University of Tulsa and spent three seasons (1998 to 2000) there, compiling a Tulsa-best 74–27 record. While at TU, Self coached the Hurricane to consecutive NCAA tournament appearances in 1999 and 2000. In the 1999-2000 season, in addition to setting a school single-season record for victories by compiling a 32-5 record, Self led the Golden Hurricane to its first-ever Elite Eight appearance.[7]

[edit] Illinois

On June 9, 2000, the University of Illinois named Bill Self the head coach of their basketball program. Self's predecessor, Lon Kruger, had recently left the Illinois program to accept a job in the NBA as head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

In 2001, his first season at Illinois, Self coached a squad of mostly Lon Kruger recruits to a 27-8 record (13-3 conference record), a share of the Big Ten title, and a final Associated Press ranking of 4th in the nation, resulting in the Fighting Illini earning a number '1' seed in the NCAA Tournament. Self coached Illinois guards Frank Williams and Cory Bradford, along with guard/forward Sergio McClain, forward Brian Cook, and center Marcus Griffin, to the Elite Eight in the NCAA Tournament. The Illini failed to advance beyond the Elite Eight after falling to eventual tournament finalists number '2' seeded Arizona. The '01 Illini roster included future NBA players Frank Williams, Robert Archibald and Brian Cook. With mostly the same core, Illinois followed up the season with impressive 2002 and 2003 campaigns, but fell in the NCAA Tournament sweet 16 in 2002 to the University of Kansas, and the second round in 2003 to the University of Notre Dame.

After the 2003 season, Roy Williams left the University of Kansas to take over at North Carolina. This vacancy left many speculating that Self would take what was well-publicized as his "dream job" with the Jayhawks. Self told a large group of Illini supporters that he was happy at Illinois, but he did not close the door on the move.[8] Self left for Kansas just a few days later.

Self was responsible for the recruitment of many of the 2005 Fighting Illini team which won the Big Ten title under Bruce Weber.[9] Bruce Weber replaced Self prior to the 2004 season and coached the 2005 Fighting Illini, almost exclusively Self's recruits, to an NCAA record tying 37–2 record after falling to North Carolina in the NCAA championship game. Players Self recruited and developed on that team included four eventual NBA draft picks, New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams, Dee Brown, Luther Head and James Augustine.[9]

Self also secured a verbal commitment from forward Charlie Villanueva, who was a projected 1st round pick in the NBA draft out of high school. After Self left for Kansas, and after a tornado struck Lawrence during his visit,[10] Villanueva decided not to follow Self to Kansas and opted to attend the University of Connecticut.

In Self's three seasons in Illinois, he led the Fighting Illini to two Big Ten regular-season championships, a Big Ten Tournament title, and three straight NCAA tournament appearances. His record was 78–24 in that span, the best three-season run in Illinois' history until it was surpassed by Illinois' subsequent coach Bruce Weber soon thereafter

And the years at KU...And I probably shouldn't have use the word mediocrity, but why not take the chance to become LEGENDARY, What's he got to lose, unless he is contempt to be just a College Coach and yes, probably getting more Money and Perks than most NBA coaches and Players.

Some may say that turning down UCLA for VCU is crazy, but its pretty smart. UCLA has expectations. He is already golden at VCU.

He can accept athletes with lower academic histories, and after going to the Final Four, his margin for error is probably 25 times what it would be at UCLA.

He is making 1.5 million dollars a year for at least the next 10 years. He could never get back to the Final Four, and retire a very rich person. Howland won something like 233 games in the last 10 years. If Smart does that at VCU, he will be getting another 10 year extension. Sometime in the future VCU may end up playing on Shaka Smart Court.

But at UCLA he could work there 10 years, go to 3 Final Fours, and win his conference championship and finish 25-10 in his final season, and still get fired.

One of the stupidest things ever said on this board. Job security at 3.75 mill a year? What the turnover like in the NBA? Give me the names of the bottom 10 NBA coaches. Are they doing better than Bill?

Keep your ignorant comments over in the Mizzou annd KState threads.

Thinking Self or Smart are 'pussing out' or whatever is freakin' ridiculous.... give me a ****ing break, if anything, those guys would have a hard time holding back their ego. It's much more logical to assume that maybe they've actually analyzed their situations and have weighed their options with family, job security, etc; in mind, and their current job is simply the better fit.

Oh yeah, tell me more about this scared shitless coach who has won everywhere he's been... LMAO

If he loses this weekend he can't be in the same stratosphere as Gooden.

BeMac better stay one more year or he will probably Selby it up in the NBA.

A lot of people say this and it always makes me cringe. Maybe I just don't understand the logic. Can you please explain this line of thinking to me?

I'm willing to bet that Bmac has more points in his 1st season in the NBA than Josh selby will have in his NBA career

He hasn't been doing well in the tournament. He does not deserve to be a lottery pick.

If I had to bet, I would say he'd suck in the NBA if he declared this year. He might also suck after spending 3 more years at KU, but most likely, an additional year will improve his skills, don't you think?

Why don't we let the experts who are paid big money by nba teams to judge talent. If they say Ben is a top 3 pick and Selby was a second rounder, I'll assume they know more than message board posters

Thats not how the NBA draft works though. Its all potential, I'd say 25% shown skill, 75% potential or something close to that

I would agree.

Saying Ben doesn't deserve to be a lottery pick because he hasn't done well in the tournament is, well... rather silly. Name me 14 players who you think have more talent than Ben and "deserve" to be a lottery pick, please.

I think going through the NBA training regiment will improve anyone's skills much more significantly than going through the college training regiment. Don't you think?

Not sure how the former leads to the reasoning of the latter.

Training does help, but I am not sure if it will teach him how to be clutch and operate under pressure.

You have a point, if this year's class is not that good, then all power to him, let him go and cash in. My main concern is that he needs to learn how to play under pressure, his production in playoff like games has not been what's expected from top 10 NBA pick.

If I were an NBA scout, I would probably look at how a player fairs under the big lights.

In the last 4 games, he has been below mediocre, and those were the games that could solidify you as deserving of a top pick or not.

But how is playing in college teach him to be clutch any better than the NBA will?

If anything, playing basketball professionally is going to be much more routine. I think Ben has enough talent and athletic ability to be a top 3 pick. I don't think staying in college is going to benefit him.

Ben needs to go and will make a fine Nba balla, make some money and help us land more one and dones. ;)

Kiss my ass, Braincase...4321
Bearcat, I totally agree.

I was just responding to you guys putting down Smart for not trying to go to a bigger stage, you can't blame him, he is contempt at where he's at....Just like Bill Self is contempt to stay where he is at...You're putting down 1 coach and defending another for doing the same thing.

Ok, I can't stand this any more. The word is 'content', not contempt. Two totally different meanings. :banghead:


And FTR, I don't blame Smart at all for not taking the UCLA job. That program is a mess. And I think people saying you could be fired despite winning the conference and having been to 3 straight FFs just a few years earlier are forgetting that scathing piece on Howland's program that came out last year. I assume the way his program has been run is why he got fired.

Also, Self may simply look at KU as being a better job than any NBA job. Coaching college kids is a whole different animal than coaching professionals, many of whom are prima donnas. Some coaches are simply not cut out to coach pros or simply may not want to deal with the over inflated egos of pros. Nothing wrong with recognizing that. Just look at Nick Saban. I think he figured that out about himself and has since been doing just fine.

Kevin Young stands under a pic of what could be him in 50 years.

https://twitter.com/LandenLucas33/st...453377/photo/1

I like to come in here once every couple of days and read up on all of the posts. Some of the insane, incredibly stupid comments make me wonder how some of you even figured out how to type. Of course, this is only directed at a select few of you, but good lord. In the future, please write everything out in a post, then read back through it a few times before clicking post. I doubt this will change much, but it might help eliminate some truly idiotic posts.

Thank you for correcting me on the word "contempt"...LOL
I also agree with what you're saying...again, all I was saying..is you can't put down 1 coach and defend the other for doing the same thing..and that is being CONTENT with his job and his life.

Also, I may be the only one, but I feel pretty good about tomorrow night. I've watched Michigan play quite a few times on ESPN/CBS during the Big10 season and I think we match up pretty well. Now, this assumes we get good EJ/Tharpe rather than evil EJ/Tharpe.

BMac knocking down a few shots would be helpful, but we can survive another poor performance from him offensively so long as everyone else steps up. I really think Self has these guys right where he wants them and I expect them to come out on fire, especially after spending a week reading/hearing how they can't hang with Michigan.

Right on.

And, we are f**ked.

Mike Vick‏@MikeVick9m
KANSAS JAYHAWKS RT @drocktheblock: @MikeVick Morning Mike!! Who you got for MarchMadness?!?! #talktome

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

completely different situation. Would you rather coach at Duke, UNC, KU, UK and be a God making millions while being successful, or would you rather be the coach of the Charlotte Bobcats coaching a bunch of overpaid crybabies?

ROFL

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJ9zjHELKU...1600/inigo.jpg

You 2 are too late...The subject has been talked about and is now over.

I'll bring the shit up again if i ****ing want to dumbass

If Coach K had any balls he would coach in the NBA

John Wooden?

That guy was a ****ing pussy

Bob Knight... Pansy.

:LOL:

The irony goes to another level...

Your abuse of the English language fills me with content.

Ignorance is its own punishment.

Awww s***, that's what I'm talkin bout.

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/ima...in-kitchen.jpg

Me holding this entity threed in content, at this paint.

shaka will probably hold out till he gets a top tier program calling. Or maybe hes got an under the table agreement with Duke to replace K when he retires? lol

@JayhawkTalk: Coach has all the time in the world. RT @EvanDanielsFOX: Andrew Wiggins is meeting with John Calipari this afternoon.

Pretty soon Wiggins will be shopping at Burberry and sporting a brand new Rolex as well. F'ing cheating Calipari.

I hope they land Wiggins too.

And some how, some way lose in the first round of the NIT again.

god damnit calipari

I don't think this is necessarily a good thing for Kentucky. At some point you are left with a roomful of egos demanding playing time. If they start losing next year, it could get ugly.

With a group of skilled returning players, and one of the best recruiting classes ever they shouldn't lose often.

However, I will laugh so hard I piss and shit my pants if they do.

I assume that's what Brad Stephens is waiting for.

Someone mentioned Selby a while back. Has he done anything in the NBA? Or is he playing for some d-league team or over in Europe?

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There's assumption that he will take the Duke job.


DUKE
Coach K runs that school (pretty much) and he will prob demand that his top asst or something will get the job instead.

UNC
Roy's also getting up there in years, but as long as he stays healthy, I don't see him stepping down for 7-8 years at least.

KANSAS
Self is young in terms of coaching...and unless he bolts to the NBA or Boone Pickens throws a billion dollars at him and buys out his KU contract, he's not leaving Kansas anytime soon.

KENTUCKY
Depends on if Coach Cal gets caught cheating and that forces him out...otherwise as long as he's getting the top recruiting classes he won't leave that place, unless he starts shitting NIT's out his ass like this season.

SYRACUSE
Jim Boeheim is getting old as well just like Roy and Coach K. How long will he be at that program? Probably til the day he dies lol.

MICHIGAN ST
I doubt Tom Izzo is going anywhere, he didn't want to coach Lebron in the pros, though that was for Cleveland which is about the worst major city to live in the US besides New Orleans. Maybe he'd want to coach LBJ and Co in Miami? Who knows...that's just such a totally different ballgame, and the Heat are losing money as a franchise and they'd have to pay him a shit ton of money to leave, money they probably don't have.

Pretty sure he is playing D-League ball now....
If anybody needed another year....It was Selby....considering his late start in the season and injury......

We don't need Wiggins...we has it alls...a little more Frank Mason for ya..

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damn that kid got handles

University of Kansas sophomore guard Naadir Tharpe hit a half-court at the end of the Kansas Jayhawks open practice at Cowboys Stadium to before the Sweet 16 game vs. Michigan.

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He'll probably start taking that shot in games now.

Is Frank Mason the under-recruited 3* guy?

Who's the other guard coming in next year -- other than Frankamp?

I'm getting old; my memory is terrible.

I hope Kentucky starts losing again next year and then starts getting investigated for recruiting violations about 1/2 the season.

I want the entire program to burn to the ground because of Calipari.

Pariah should be Calipari's legacy

wayne seldon?

I am getting both guys mixed up, lol.

None of them are Rio.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...f?t=1364338661

wave the wheat vs shock the wheat.... I want to see it for the national title. Please make it happen.

Would be better than seeing Craft there.

There should be an NCAA rule where a coach that has multiple seasons vacated on them gets a lifetime DQ from head coaching.

As a guy who was born and raised in Wichita it would be cool to see WSU play KU.

Also having two Wichita kids (Ellis, Wessel) in that game would be ****ing cool.

Don't forget Brannen Greene... Guy is a pure shooter... absolutely ridiculous stroke.

Mr. Greene

With Frankcamp, Greene, Selden, and Mason all coming in as freshmen... This is easily the best collection of shooters in one class that KU has had that I can remember... All 4 can shoot very well, Mason, Selden, and Fran can score in a variety of ways outside of pure shooting as well.

This is just taking into account the shooting.

Haven't even mentioned the 7 footer.

This class has me giddy.

Yes, yes it would.
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Just catching up a bit after a few days away. Are there really people that believe that Mclemore should stick around another year and that he would gain something by doing so? LMAO

agreed


Then that politician can shut his piehole about making a law that forces KU to play Wichita every year because they can just play in the tourney each year. :D

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