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splatbass 01-18-2014 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

30 is not that old. Manning is the best QB in the league at 37 and could play in the SB this year, so I think the window to win it all is bigger than you think.

I stand by what I said. Alex Smith is the better QB right now.

Oh, and by the way - we went 11-5 this year, not 9-7. Dumbass. Hyperbole doesn't help your case.

Mav 01-18-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Namor40 (Post 10377529)
He's won 3 or 4 games on the road in the playoffs, if that isn't good, then I don't know what is. Every now and then a game manager type like a Dilfer or a Brad Johnson makes it into the Superbowl because their team catches fire and wins in spite of them. Nobody does that twice, he's a guy who has carried that team in the playoffs, two years in a row now. People may not like him, nobody doubts his talent though. If he does well against Seattle, not sure how people can argue against him.

You believe that kap is the reason they are where they are this year? Funny I thought it was the run game and defense. A nice scramble against gb for sure. But he's not caring them. Not at all.

Mav 01-18-2014 11:37 PM

Kap is almost 26. He's not that young. He's no better now than he was last year. The eye test and stats back that up. You dint just magically get more accurate.

JakeLV 01-18-2014 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377775)
This is the feeling of probably 80% of this teams fanbase and its always been that way. That's why they never try to draft/play their quarterback.

The fanbase would rather perennially go 9-7 than have a couple of 5-11/7-9 years while developing their own quarterback.

I like Alex Smith, but the dude is about to turn 30 and because of that the window to win it all with him isn't as big as if you draft a kid at 21 and develop him for a couple years.

I disagree.

I think that they would willingly give up a season if it means getting a legit QBOTF.

But being genuinely competitive is something fans would trade a lot for too, and that doesn't speak to the fanbase, so much as the franchise.

ShortRoundChief 01-19-2014 12:04 AM

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BossChief 01-19-2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10377800)
I disagree.

I think that they would willingly give up a season if it means getting a legit QBOTF.

But being genuinely competitive is something fans would trade a lot for too, and that doesn't speak to the fanbase, so much as the franchise.

This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

splatbass 01-19-2014 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377822)
This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

There was no one in the draft that will likely ever be better than Alex Smith is right now, and most likely will never be as good. Alex Smith was the best available at the time, and he is the best for the team for the next couple of years. Drafting a QB just to draft a QB is dumb.

If they can find a possible QBotF in the draft they should take him, but that in no way makes Alex Smith a bad choice for this team.

JakeLV 01-19-2014 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10377822)
This franchise has historically chosen the safe vet over drafting/developing their own guy.

Trent over Brees
Trent/Huard over Aaron Rodgers
Dorsey/Albert over Flacco...because we had, you know Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle
Cassel/Jackson over anyone from 2009

Hopefully, Alex is the one that makes all that fail forgotten...

I agree. And the safe vet is what leads to all the mediocrity. Nobody around here would argue that point.

But I also think (and maybe its the KoolAid) that maybe that the sun shines on even a dog's ass. Smith played at a high level at the end of the season. Stats say he's gotten better each of the last three seasons.

I'm like a battered girlfriend I guess. I keep thinking the Chiefs have changed. They finally got one they can win with.

He'll never be a world beater, but he's playing at a level only 12-15 other people in the entire world are capable of.

Each generation only has 2 to 3 truely elite QBs. Luck is one of them, so there are only 1 to 2 possible left out there... but luckily for us, the aren't the only ones to win the whole thing each year.

tk13 01-19-2014 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10377853)
I agree. And the safe vet is what leads to all the mediocrity. Nobody around here would argue that point.

But I also think (and maybe its the KoolAid) that maybe that the sun shines on even a dog's ass. Smith played at a high level at the end of the season. Stats say he's gotten better each of the last three seasons.

I'm like a battered girlfriend I guess. I keep thinking the Chiefs have changed. They finally got one they can win with.

He'll never be a world beater, but he's playing at a level only 12-15 other people in the entire world are capable of.

Each generation only has 2 to 3 truely elite QBs. Luck is one of them, so there are only 1 to 2 possible left out there... but luckily for us, the aren't the only ones to win the whole thing each year.

We don't know yet. They've only had one year. It's obvious they did not like this year's draft class. And to be fair, this QB class has failed to impress to this point.

Dorsey and Reid both have a history of being aggressive with the QB position. Really they were aggressive this year... they replaced all three QBs on the roster, not sure many other teams did that. They just didn't bring in the ones people wanted.

Jimmya 01-19-2014 09:12 AM

Insanity.....doing the same thing over & over while expecting different results. Chiefs got 49ers sloppy seconds and 49ers are playing to go to the Superbowl.

Messier 01-19-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya (Post 10378014)
Insanity.....doing the same thing over & over while expecting different results. Chiefs got 49ers sloppy seconds and 49ers are playing to go to the Superbowl.

What does Reid have to do with Pioli or Peterson or any former regime?

So, instead of Smith, what QB plan would've worked better?

And, finally, the 49ers are up and running. They were really good last year and the year before. You upset the Chiefs didn't go from 2-14 to a SB team?

OldSchool 01-19-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10378076)
What does Reid have to do with Pioli or Peterson or any former regime?

So, instead of Smith, what QB plan would've worked better?

And, finally, the 49ers are up and running. They were really good last year and the year before. You upset the Chiefs didn't go from 2-14 to a SB team?

Yup, Niners are winning because they have a great team. A true top 2 defense in the league, no one is better than them and Seattle. Their OL can block anybody and knock any DL out of the park in run blocking. They have one of the deepest RB stables in the NFL. Their only issue is their mediocre passing game, should be getting a lot more production than they do with Kaepernick who can't make reads and tends to freeze up whenever his first read is taken away. They would honestly be more deadly with Alex Smith qbing them; he would actually get the ball to his receivers more than Kaep does. Definitely utilize Vernon Davis a lot more as well.

Messier 01-19-2014 10:29 AM

I don't argue Kaepernick is really talented. He's more athletically gifted than Smith, stronger arm, faster, but I think Smith is a better decision maker. I don't think the 49ers would be a worse team with Smith at QB.

Jimmya 01-19-2014 10:45 AM

Awes5....you guys actually think you're smarter than 49ers coaches and upper management. Wow

Cmd'r&Chief 01-19-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10376440)
cracks me up that we are comparing Smith to Young now. LMAO

He's no Young. But he surprised the shit out of me towards the end of the season. He's worth extending for a few years.


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