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The Franchise 04-22-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14923527)
I wonder how The Veach views Claypool. As a WR or as a TE?

I mean, i think he has all the tools to be a starting WR in this league.

But could you imagine him and Kelce as a two TE set? Jeebus.

But then again, i don't expect opposing D's will play them like a traditional two TE set.

I think, no matter what label you put on Claypool or where you line him up, he's getting a real DB on him so it's moot.

No clue.

I think that could be a realistic mock (if Murray lasts until 32) but Claypool might be the only player that I swap out. And I like Claypool.

DJ's left nut 04-22-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14923492)
Me too.

I see a guy with all the tools of Ruggs, but who trades some straight line speed for added acceleration/explosion.

Sure, he's more raw. But Jeudy and Lamb are the only two WRs in the class who I would be confident saying will definitely have a better career. A ton of risk there - I wouldn't take him in the 1st. But if a good trade down scenario emerged, I'd be fine taking him mid-2.

Matt Miller has him going 64 to Seattle - oh no he would not. Not in my world. No way I'd let him past me in the 2nd. I mean, I guess there could be someone I like better, but it seems unlikely.

DJ's left nut 04-22-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14923520)
Where do you think falls? He's got the feel of a back of the 2nd-mid 3rd guy to me.

I still feel like he's a late 1st. But sometimes we overrate safeties in the draft 'round here, especially the hardcore draft wonks.

He's still my favorite safety in the class (Simmons excluded).

Mecca 04-22-2020 03:25 PM

I was just watching some stuff.......I think Laviska Shenault as a rookie could be used a lot like Deebo Samuel was, some handoffs, ball in space etc etc.

DJ's left nut 04-22-2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14923498)
I'm changing my pick to J.K. Dobbins - RB Ohio state.

I like his books.

I think this is a Harry Potter joke.

But I would HATE that pick. I've decided I wouldn't even take Dobbins in the 2nd. I just...I'm just not a fan. There's just very little 'there' there. I watch him and just can't decide what he actually does well.

I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up 5 or 6 backs in this draft that have better careers then him.

Chief Northman 04-22-2020 03:29 PM

I’m wanting Winfield at #32

If there is a modest trade down into Round 2, I’m in for Dobbins or Pittman Jr.

Easy 6 04-22-2020 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14923542)
I was just watching some stuff.......I think Laviska Shenault as a rookie could be used a lot like Deebo Samuel was, some handoffs, ball in space etc etc.

He flew under my radar, but yeah the more you look into it this guy sounds like an instant weapon... then you just keep adding layers of polish

Seems like an even bigger Sammy Watkins, so consider me IN

ThyKingdomCome15 04-22-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14923459)
I've soured on Delpit

That is interesting!! I'll be fine if we pick someone else. ROFL

BlackOp 04-22-2020 03:33 PM

My prediction is Chiefs fans will watch the entire 1st round...only to have KC trade down.

RealSNR 04-22-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14923499)
I think he probably is, to be honest.

But it's pretty much a shite draft class for TE, IMO.

Take a look at the 2011 draft class headed by Kyle Rudolph and then a bunch of flawed dudes that really didn't amount to much. Rudolph was the best TE of the bunch and by a fair amount...but he was still pretty 'meh' when it got right down to it.

Just an unspectacular lot. Are there a lot of 'Virgil Green' type guys who have potential and measurables and will likely do dick at the next level - yup. But that's about it. More likely you'll see a Lance Kendricks or Charles Clay and forget all about the 2020 TE class when all is said and done.

TE is one of those positions where the perceived best guy in the class rarely ends up being great. Even if you're a great TE, so much of it depends on what your offense does and how often your QB will look your way.

Who are the game's best TEs in the past 10 years? Kelce, Kittle, Gronk, Ertz, Julius Thomas, and... Hooper? Andrews, I guess? Not a single one of those players was selected in the 1st round, nor were any of them the first TE drafted in their respective classes. The closest thing you're going to get is Eric Ebron, and while he had a very nice 2018, I count that as only one actual outstanding season of his. Granted, that's also in the past 10 years. You go further back and you see careers of guys like Greg Olsen, Vernon Davis, and Dallas Clark all in a stretch of a few years, so it could just be a random streak of bad luck for top TEs.

It's also kind of funny that the top 2 TEs in yards and TDs over the past 3 years combined are Kelce and Ertz, both players from that wretched 2013 draft class.

Anyway, I'm wagering some hefty money that Harrison Bryant is going to be a pretty good starting TE in the NFL. He's not as bad at blocking as a bunch of scouting reports make him out to be, and he's probably the best pure pass catching TE in this draft class. And in an unspectacular year for the position as this one is, I'm pretty confident that will be good enough to be the best.

ThyKingdomCome15 04-22-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14923501)
Seriously though, I like this RB in the 2nd - Clyde Edwards-Helaire
(RB)

YES!!! The LSU stud would be a second round gem! I'm with you on that.

ToxSocks 04-22-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 14923566)
YES!!! The LSU stud would be a second round gem! I'm with you on that.

Then just take him @32.

I don't think he gets to 63.

Chief Northman 04-22-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14923548)
I think this is a Harry Potter joke.

But I would HATE that pick. I've decided I wouldn't even take Dobbins in the 2nd. I just...I'm just not a fan. There's just very little 'there' there. I watch him and just can't decide what he actually does well.

I wouldn't be surprised if there ends up 5 or 6 backs in this draft that have better careers then him.

Watch all of his offensive snaps in the Michigan game from this past season. Then you will see what Veach possibly sees in him:

He can play the workhorse role if you need him to, not in the sense that he’s going to physically dominate upfront and get tough inside yards for you, but they slow play him with a lot of inside zone where he’s getting 2 to 3 yards a carry, and then they would mix in enough outside zone and off tackle runs where he would just get huge chunk plays and eventually wear out that defense. I think Veach sees Dobbins as a finisher who is more than competent in all phases of the running back game: pass protection, pass catching, and the ability to run inside and outside of the tackles while playing with a physical edge that seems to get better as games go longer.

Mecca 04-22-2020 03:36 PM

This is a really balls TE year, not even really worth discussing.

RunKC 04-22-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14923549)
I’m wanting Winfield at #32

If there is a modest trade down into Round 2, I’m in for Dobbins or Pittman Jr.

I think Winfield is going to be damn good. Only worried a bit about his injury history


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