Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9844343)

You're exactly right. They're not doing shit for us right now and that's fine. Trade Baldwin and Moeaki to Baltimore and it's fine by me even if it results in the same scenario as I posted befo with one becoming a probowler and the other a solid starter that earns acclaim for his production.

It's not okay if it's a trade to New England that already is a favorite son in the league -just the same as if it were Denver or Dallas or whoever has been in the spotlight in the last decade or so. Why? Because the deck is already stacked against Kansas City as it is. Dealing away pieces as is being discussed only serves to cement the status that the Chiefs (and, for the sake of the argument, the Royals) are nothing more than farm teams that only exist to harbor young and unpolished talent for successful teams to cash in on later.

****. That.

Of course the NFL is different than baseball on almost every level. But that doesn't change people's perceptions. If the Chiefs start dealing players like Moeaki and Baldwin for draft picks to "elite" franchises then it implies they have no concerted drive to be contenders in the league and serve only as a proving ground for winning teams just to kick the can down the road and hope to contend with a roster of youthful prospects.

And no, this is not an impassioned defense of either player in this scenario. Moeaki is exactly what we know he is in that he's a probably useful player with nagging injury concerns and Baldwin is an underachieving physical specimen. Trade both of them to Arizona for second rounders in the next two drafts. But the possible negatives of having either one of these guys become stars on an established franchise outweigh any positive that results from them being dealt.

TL;DR trading them to a team like New England, Pittsburgh or Green Bay is as unadvisable as trading them to a team in the division.

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9844786)

Apparently Geno Smith is killing it at Jets camp.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9844629)

Could it be that he was the wrong ****ing pick, then?

We were told Best Player Available by Marcellus and all these other dweebazoids. It's like they learned nothing from the Tyson Jackson experiment. When you take a low-impact position player that high, the stakes and the expectations for immediate greatness are way too goddamn high. Almost nobody can match those expectations.

It's still training camp, but training camp doesn't last very long. Soon it will be the regular season, and that's when every mistake made by our #1 overall RT pick is going to make this franchise look bad. REALLY REALLY ****ing bad.

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9844786)

Apparently Geno Smith is killing it at Jets camp.

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9844643)

**** you guys. I wanted Kelce so bad, and even pimped him hard here when he was drafted. Hes a ****ing stud......

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9844600)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Ugly sequence from Alex Smith. Fisher has a long way to go still. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; TJ Carpenter (@TJCarpenterWHB) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJCarpenterWHB/statuses/362219426206072832">July 30, 2013</a></blockquote>
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this is just peachy

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844828)

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 now

Dwayne Bowe had a cramp. Catapano a calf.

Originally Posted by rico (Post 9844830)

Jason Madson ‏@Jason_Madson now

I hope the Chiefs front 7 is this dominant, but I worry it's something else. Still very early in camp, too. #ChiefsCamp
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[Twidwell] ‏@Lance_THESPOKEN now

Andy Reid has told the media that Bowe simply had a cramp in his leg, nothing serious.